ESPN article on cover up at Mizzou

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RockyTop85 said:
The letter in OCI's link explains it.
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Explains the University explanation to ESPN as to why they didn't investigate? Well of course ESPN should just take them at their word because a college athletic program would never lie to cover up sexual assault. I'm not saying that they did, but I know if I represented a news organization or that was my child, that letter wouldn't be enough.
 
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don't take this the wrong way, but she obviously had psychological issues going back to a younger teenager.
I hope she wasn't raped and the one thing I read is that she had just had consensual sex, by her words.
Terrible story all around. It all just doesn't add up to a big coverup to me. She tried to commit suicide already, at least once. I was reading the article expecting a rape to be what sent her into a dark place, but she was already there.
all jmo.
 
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I hope the police and NCAA investigate and bury their butts. This is outrageous and speaks to the lack of integrity for the administrators at UofM.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Explains the University explanation to ESPN as to why they didn't investigate? Well of course ESPN should just take them at their word because a college athletic program would never lie to cover up sexual assault. I'm not saying that they did, but I know if I represented a news organization or that was my child, that letter wouldn't be enough.
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1) I think you're losing sight of what you're arguing against. I'm saying it's complicated, not that MU is in the right.

2) Selectively gullible is still gullible. ESPN is what it it is.

3) Did you even read the email? MU says the people who could have done something about it didn't know until it was too late and since they've been made aware of it the family and ESPN have stonewalled them.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
1) I think you're losing sight of what you're arguing against. I'm saying it's complicated, not that MU is in the right.

2) Selectively gullible is still gullible. ESPN is what it it is.

3) Did you even read the email? MU says the people who could have done something about it didn't know until it was too late and since they've been made aware of it the family and ESPN have stonewalled them.
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1) Yes I did read the email, they admitted that they've known their was an accusation since 2012. The ESPN article CLAIMS that Title 9 rules require an investigation if there is reasonable suspicion even after the alleged victim is dead.


2) They can claim that they didn't find enough evidence to report it, but they can't claim that the allegation hasn't been known about for almost two years. And they can't claim that their responsibility to investigate ended with her tragic death.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I don't believe that is true, if someone has reasonable cause to believe a crime has taken place. There is no kind of HIPAA health care privacy concerns that would override criminal justice. Privacy and anonymity can be maintained, at least during investigative phases.
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You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! The posters who stated otherwise is incorrect! If a rape was reported to college medical authorities they have a duty and obligation under Clery and Title IX to report it immediately! Without question!
 
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GoVols15 said:
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! The posters who stated otherwise is incorrect! If a rape was reported to college medical authorities they have a duty and obligation under Clery and Title IX to report it immediately! Without question!
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You are correct

Clery Act mandates that all crimes that occur on campus be reported to the proper authority

IBRS requires all agencies to have a reporting block for reporting crimes on campus

PSU violated the Clery Act when it didn't report Sandusky's crimes
 
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My simple redneck mind finds it pretty suspect that the "boyfriend" leaves the football team the same month that this occurred and nobody in the A.D. Knew about it.
 
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I don't condone this at all but ESPN has crowned themselves the judge and jury of the world of sports and now that the SEC has sold it soul to them they are going to rule the sports world in America.
 
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GoVols15 said:
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! The posters who stated otherwise is incorrect! If a rape was reported to college medical authorities they have a duty and obligation under Clery and Title IX to report it immediately! Without question!
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This is going to be huge news to hundreds of major universities AND their in-house counsel, including the University of Tennessee, who offer confidential medical treatment and counseling to the victims of sexual assault.

It's also going to be news to ESPN.

From the article:
Healthcare providers are generally exempt from requirements to report such crimes and also are bound by medical privacy laws.
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Do a quick google search or walk down to the health center on UT's campus and I guarantee you can find a university that offers confidential medical treatment and counseling for sexual assault victims.

It's a tragic story, but it's a bit more complicated than this knee jerk reaction. This girl had a voice, she could have called the police, there's a reason she didn't, a lot of women don't. Reporting it might have made her life better, or it might have made her life worse. It's not cut and dry, life usually isn't.

Acting like the University is to blame for this girl's death is a simple minded, knee-jerk reaction to drinking the OTL kool aid, IMO.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This is going to be huge news to hundreds of major universities AND their in-house counsel, including the University of Tennessee, who offer confidential medical treatment and counseling to the victims of sexual assault.

It's also going to be news to ESPN.

From the article:


Do a quick google search or walk down to the health center on UT's campus and I guarantee you can find a university that offers confidential medical treatment and counseling for sexual assault victims.

It's a tragic story, but it's a bit more complicated than this knee jerk reaction. This girl had a voice, she could have called the police, there's a reason she didn't, a lot of women don't. Reporting it might have made her life better, or it might have made her life worse. It's not cut and dry, life usually isn't.

Acting like the University is to blame for this girl's death is a simple minded, knee-jerk reaction to drinking the OTL kool aid, IMO.
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All due respect you do not know what you are talking about. Providing confidential counseling is not related to reporting a criminal offense as defined under Title IX or the Clery Act. There are some exceptions, as defined under Clery, but medical professionals (college nurses and doctors) are not covered. You miss the whole point of the Clery Act and speak with ignorance.

Go read page 72 of The Handbook for Campus Crime Reporting and you will see who is exempt. If the facts are as ESPN reported, Missouri has some issues with Clery and Title IX. What you stated above is correct but that is not the facts of the Missouri case.
 
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GoVols15 said:
All due respect you do not know what you are talking about. Providing confidential counseling is not related to reporting a criminal offense as defined under Title IX or the Clery Act. There are some exceptions, as defined under Clery, but medical professionals (college nurses and doctors) are not covered. You miss the whole point of the Clery Act and speak with ignorance.

Go read page 72 of The Handbook for Campus Crime Reporting and you will see who is exempt. If the facts are as ESPN reported, Missouri has some issues with Clery and Title IX. What you stated above is correct but that is not the facts of the Missouri case.
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(10) Nothing in this section shall be construed to require the reporting or disclosure of privileged information.
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-20 USC § 1092

That's pretty self explanatory.

Furthermore, Clery exists to ensure that current and prospective students are informed about campus safety. It's about the development of policy statements and collection and reporting of statistics. It's not about having the athletic department call the cops.

Nothing in Clery would have resulted in anybody being prosecuted, much less saved this girl's life. That's not what the law was designed for. If you think differently, you've got no business telling anyone they don't know what they're talking about.
 
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