ESPN: Fact Checking Power 5 Propaganda

#26
#26
fade route said:
I personally think the SEC is overrated a bit. The immediate success of A & M and Mizzou is evidence enough. Also, yes, we've won alot of nattys as a conference, but in head to head match ups in bowl games we are not really running roughshod over the rest of the country, not to mention how overplayed "they didn't really want to be there" is. Want more evidence? I think we (UT) are 1-5 against the PAC 12 in the last 6 matchups.
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If motivation isn't a factor, we should get rid of those awful Cornhusker GrAY uniforms
 
#27
#27
peyton4heisman said:
No way the SEC is overrated. We stomped Mich, OSU, and PSU in our most recent matches. Our last 6 P12 match ups either came against the top teams of the conference or came while we had Dools. I think that if anything, the ACC and perhaps (maybe) the B12 are slightly UNDERRATED. But if I had to bet the farm on a randomly selected SEC team vs. a randomly selected team from any other conference, you better believe I'm taking the SEC
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Is the "we" you're referring to UT or the SEC. If it's UT you're talking about you're having to dust off the calendar. UT stomped Michigan at the end of the 2001 season, beat OSU nearly 20 years ago, and haven't beaten Penn State since Nixon was in the White House.

2 of UT's recent PAC 12 losses were to bad UCLA teams. Dooley's only PAC 12 loss was to Oregon that played in the BCS title game.
 
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I would point wayward fans to the NC state game as to where the SEC ranks. NC state did well in the acc after we curb stomped them. We'd do well in the acc or most any conference. Many times it's the raw strength of the SEC teams top to bottom that ultimately diminishes the overall image. UF the year they lost to Louisville and Bama and OK last year were simply let down games from losses to SEC foes. IMO
 
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Guyute said:
volgrad500 said:
ESPN is way underestimating the strength of the SEC from top to bottom, in my honest opinion. And saying that us and Florida have been sinking ships is taking a very VERY narrow historical view, even by BCS standards.

"Four teams largely carried the SEC's flag during its recent dominance: Alabama, Auburn, LSU and Florida. South Carolina has been better than it ever was under coach Steve Spurrier, but the Gamecocks still haven't won an SEC championship. Florida and Tennessee have been sinking ships, and Georgia can't seem to get over the hump."

How does a team not winning the championship in a very competitive conference translate into weakness? National champions have been earning the SEC title recently and finishing strong in such an environment means you could probably smack around 95% of the teams in the other Power 5 Conferences.

The argument is bunk.
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And to add to your point, alabama (small "a" on purpose) won a NC without winning the SEC recently.
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fade route said:
I personally think the SEC is overrated a bit. The immediate success of A & M and Mizzou is evidence enough. Also, yes, we've won alot of nattys as a conference, but in head to head match ups in bowl games we are not really running roughshod over the rest of the country, not to mention how overplayed "they didn't really want to be there" is. Want more evidence? I think we (UT) are 1-5 against the PAC 12 in the last 6 matchups.
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So, I think what you're saying is that subtracting the recent dumpster fire at Tennessee, then the SEC is 12-8 against the Pac-12, looks more dominant. The bowl game argument is more relevant because it tries to make more even cross-conference match ups - and the SEC usually plays UP to higher seeds in other conferences!

For reference:
2013 @ #2 Oregon - L
2010 #7 Oregon - L
2009 UCLA - L, embarrassing performance
2008 @UCLA - L in OT, embarrassing season
2006-2007 - split with Cal in some of their best years
 
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