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hatvol96 said:
I already know plenty. Good friends with a few. I have no problem telling them they shouldn't waste their time hanging out with a bunch of grandstanders and camera hogs. A single well written letter to a legislator is more effective than all the marches and rallies one could ever attend.
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The vast majority of people involved with those organizations do it as a way to recover and have something to do with their time. Some even to meet people that understand the daily, mental battles. Sitting alone and remembering the death of a loved one, specifically a child, isn't healthy. Your post above makes sense. Your first post on the subject was quite different.
 
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pl3 said:
The vast majority of people involved with those organizations do it as a way to recover and have something to do with their time. Some even to meet people that understand the daily, mental battles. Sitting alone and remembering the death of a loved one, specifically a child, isn't healthy. Your post above makes sense. Your first post on the subject was quite different.
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So, the only two options in life are "sitting alone" or marching around with a bunch of attention whores in bad t shirts chanting ridiulous anti drinking and driving slogans? Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure there are several activities available between those two extremes.
 
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hatvol96 said:
So, the only two options in life are "sitting alone" or marching around with a bunch of attention whores in bad t shirts chanting ridiulous anti drinking and driving slogans? Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure there are several activities available between those two extremes.
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Yeah, that's word for word exactly what I said. You called the people involved with those groups housewives and no lifers looking for their Oprah moment. My sister is neither. That goes in your large "wrong" category that grows daily, yet instead of admitting you are wrong, you twist words of others into nonsense.
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hatvol96 said:
I already know plenty. Good friends with a few. I have no problem telling them they shouldn't waste their time hanging out with a bunch of grandstanders and camera hogs. A single well written letter to a legislator is more effective than all the marches and rallies one could ever attend.
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Most in the org aren't "camera hogs or grandstanders" but have lost a loved one to a drunk driving accident. MADD deserves credit for raising awareness of the dangers of drunk driving. Period. MADD is credited with the drop in drunk driving fatalities since 1980 by making problem public. But I guess that's grandstanding. MADD advocates & lobbies for the enactment of laws for more strict and severe punishment of DUI offenders. And surprise..... groups with lobbying power can apply more pressure than a single well written letter. Sorry might not be right all the time but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Go ahead and chop my post up and respond to it line by line out of context. Then I will await the funny one liners and name calling that deflect attention away from the fact that your argument is silly.
 
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Orange Bison said:
Most in the org aren't "camera hogs or grandstanders" but have lost a loved one to a drunk driving accident. MADD deserves credit for raising awareness of the dangers of drunk driving. Period. MADD is credited with the drop in drunk driving fatalities since 1980 by making problem public. But I guess that's grandstanding. MADD advocates & lobbies for the enactment of laws for more strict and severe punishment of DUI offenders. And surprise..... groups with lobbying power can apply more pressure than a single well written letter. Sorry might not be right all the time but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Go ahead and chop my post up and respond to it line by line out of context. Then I will await the funny one liners and name calling that deflect attention away from the fact that your argument is silly.
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MADD deserves credit for squat. Well, they do deserve credit for self promotion. That's what they're good at. I'm sure the guy who just polished off his fifth double vodka-tonic reaches for his keys, remembers some spot on the six o'clock news with somebody in a slogan covered t shirt from MADD babbling, then calls a cab. Also, when it comes to lobbying power, the alcoholic beverage lobby will stomp the hell out of the MADDs of the world each and every day.
 
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pl3 said:
You called the people involved with those groups housewives and no lifers looking for their Oprah moment. My sister is neither.
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Which makes her the exception that proves the rule.
 
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It is obviously the offseason when the discussion turns to the composition and efficacy of MADD. Can't wait for the summer eval period to get here.
 
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pl3 said:
Maybe I can help set up a meeting with a couple of parents who lost their kids. See if you show the same lack of class . What a douche, man. I would love to see you get your azz kicked by a 50 yr old woman and I'm betting it wouldn't take long. You cross the line too much.
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He professionally spends much of his time in the employ of drunk drivers. Do not be surprised
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hatvol96 said:
MADD deserves credit for squat. Well, they do deserve credit for self promotion. That's what they're good at. I'm sure the guy who just polished off his fifth double vodka-tonic reaches for his keys, remembers some spot on the six o'clock news with somebody in a slogan covered t shirt from MADD babbling, then calls a cab. Also, when it comes to lobbying power, the alcoholic beverage lobby will stomp the hell out of the MADDs of the world each and every day.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. MADD has had more impact on increasing the penalties for DUI than any organization in the country. They are the ones that worked hard to decrease the standard for alcohol consumption from .10 to .08. They also fought to make a minimum sentence of a particular time for the first and subsequent DUI offenses that the Court cannot waive by statue. Get the facts before you post and make yourself look stupid.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. MADD has had more impact on increasing the penalties for DUI than any organization in the country. They are the ones that worked hard to decrease the standard for alcohol consumption from .10 to .08. They also fought to make a minimum sentence of a particular time for the first and subsequent DUI offenses that the Court cannot waive by statue. Get the facts before you post and make yourself look stupid.
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I'm quite certain I forget more about the genesis of and changes in DUI laws on my way to breakfast than you know. The change from .1 to .08 is the equivalent of a team getting beaten by twenty instead of 30, then declaring victory. It's a meaningless political bone thrown to MADD and their ilk by legislatures to shut them up. Minimum madatory sentences for DUIs have been around forever in some jursidictions. It's not like MADD has suddenly brought those about. Further, there are still a number of states where a DUI has about the same actual consequences as a speeding ticket.
 
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I have no doubt that you know more about DUI law changes than I do. I teach DUI classes on the side, but don't claim to be an expert on the historical law changes involving DUI. I agree that DUI laws vary from state to state. Kentucky is much different than TN. Sorry to come on so strong in my previous post. I just think that MADD has had effectiveness in some states across the country in effecting positive change in regard to how DUI law changes have occurred. No question that the liquor lobbyist have more money and more impact if they decide to take on any MADD agenda. You are absolutely correct that MADD is generally made up of supporters who have suffered loss due to DUI. I just feel that they shouldn't be dismissed as having no impact other than self promoting. I probably just overreacted in my post regarding the matter and for that I apologize. DUI is something I feel strongly about and agree with efforts to take offenders off the road. Just wondering if you see more DUI's as a result of drug use, rather than alcohol. That is certainly the case in my area.
 
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The progression of this thread from ESPN respecting the hiring of CCM to a DUI for Dummies crash course is further proof of global warming. People can't even stay on topic for 2 pages in a message forum thread anymore due to greenhouse gasses.

Sincerely,

Al Gore

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BasketvolsFan said:
I have no doubt that you know more about DUI law changes than I do. I teach DUI classes on the side, but don't claim to be an expert on the historical law changes involving DUI. I agree that DUI laws vary from state to state. Kentucky is much different than TN. Sorry to come on so strong in my previous post. I just think that MADD has had effectiveness in some states across the country in effecting positive change in regard to how DUI law changes have occurred. No question that the liquor lobbyist have more money and more impact if they decide to take on any MADD agenda. You are absolutely correct that MADD is generally made up of supporters who have suffered loss due to DUI. I just feel that they shouldn't be dismissed as having no impact other than self promoting. I probably just overreacted in my post regarding the matter and for that I apologize. DUI is something I feel strongly about and agree with efforts to take offenders off the road. Just wondering if you see more DUI's as a result of drug use, rather than alcohol. That is certainly the case in my area.
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No offense taken. It's an issue that elicits strong opinons. I do see far more DUIs from prescription drug use than when I started practicing 15 years ago. It's hard to tell how the numbers legitimately shake out, since many alleged offenders are using both alcohol and narcotics and some officers are reluctant to charge a DUI in a drugs only situation.
 
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hatvol96 said:
All the commentators and columnists feel the need to temper their assessment of what is an incredible hire for Tech, less they draw the ire of MADD or similar whiny interest groups.
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Hat, the Lubbock police will be busy hiding Billy Clydes Pub crawls just like they did in Lexington. I hope he has cleaned up!
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hatvol96 said:
No offense taken. It's an issue that elicits strong opinons. I do see far more DUIs from prescription drug use than when I started practicing 15 years ago. It's hard to tell how the numbers legitimately shake out, since many alleged offenders are using both alcohol and narcotics and some officers are reluctant to charge a DUI in a drugs only situation.
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Incidently, I just closed out my first DUI case. Being as naive as I am (naturally), after hearing from both my client and the ADA that alchohol was affirmatively ruled out as an intoxicant at the scene, I thought my job would be pretty easy. Turns out, the KPD sees cases like these all the time and the State Attorny manages to convict a decent number of narcotic DUIs. From talking with the ADA, she sees no-alcohol DUIS more and more.
 
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Seems to be a trend everywhere. Some folks don't understand that you can be charged with a DUI for being impaired on prescription drugs.
 
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