Evaluating the Staff

[jakez4ut]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 30, 2005 6:29 PM
Yup yup.  5-6 means you can't hide.  But why hide?  Delusion...loyalty...pride...ego...

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well yeah, when your going to bowl games every year, and your in contention for the titel every year, and your consistently beating Bama or FL every year (i say that loosely ok folks...), it's real easy to fall in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mindset....

Well now it's broke, and they're trying to fix it....
"YOu can do it and home depot can help."

 

[twest1352]

When we all argue about CPF and the job he has done

I'm not arguing at what CPF has done

 

[CSpindizzy]

Liper I think your timing couldn't have been better. Read Tony Barnhart's comments on the subject. The parallels are uncanny.

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[volmanjr]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 30, 2005 3:18 PM
That doesn't explain why you or someone else would not LIKE him though.  We've had MUCH worse Qbs than he that didn't draw the ire of fans.

I agree: I think CPF is doing the right things.  He's just doing them AMAZINGLY late.

The reason we are worse with the same staff is for a couple of reasons:

1. We weren't very good last year, but the breaks and special teams were better.

2. We didn't make the game changing mistakes with the same regularity.  When we did, we got SLAUGHTERED (see Auburn 1).

3. We almost lost to BAMA, FLA, USC, MISS.  By the skin of our teeth we won or came back and won those games.  That's 4 losses with either turnovers or bad special teams.

4. Our offense sucked eggs last year until the Kentucky's of the world came on the schedule.  It's revisionist history for anyone to talk about why our offense isn't "good like last year."

Does anyone remember the agony that was 2002?

What do you think about FSU, by the way?

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Never said I didn't like him, he was a good QB , I said he was no better when he left than when he got here (please don't put words in my mouth) and as for your point #3 you could easily say the same thing about our losses this yr , turnovers and special teams caused them and we lost by the skin of our teeth, right? again same staff different outcome, the same staff put this team in a position to win, last yr and this yr. X's and OPs aren't the problem. player developement and discipline is the problem. That is the # 1 thing CPF and Cut have to work on.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by volmanjr@Nov 30, 2005 7:40 PM
Never said I didn't like him, he was a good QB , I said he was no better when he left than when he got here (please don't put words in my mouth) and as for your point #3 you could easily say the same thing about our losses this yr , turnovers and special teams caused  them and we lost by the skin of our teeth, right? again same staff different outcome, the same staff  put this team in a position to win, last yr and this yr. X's and OPs aren't the problem. player developement and discipline is the problem. That is the # 1 thing CPF and Cut have to work on.

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Wasn't putting words in YOUR mouth specifically. I'm just responding to your possible explanation as to why he might be unpopular with some -- if that is what you meant. This aint that big a deal to me, though.

My point #3 means that this year and last year are pretty close teams. One team got good breaks and another didn't. A lot of that is made, but nevertheless, one play here or there is about it to me.

Now that brings me back to the problem. CPF and co. produced the same product on the field. It took one or two plays per game to change the outcome for them to see things differently. But the overall process and output was about the same. I'm not arguing with you, btw -- just explaining.

Take the USC game, as I think aloud. Is Arian Foster's fumble the reason we needed to make changes? What if he wouldn't have fumbled? The game went the same. Either way, fumble or not, our offense was pathetic. But, apparently, Fulmer paid attention because we lost, not because the offense was executing poorly. Ditto for BAMA (where he said we found our identity, LMAO).

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 30, 2005 10:26 PM
  Ditto for BAMA (where he said we found our identity, LMAO).

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Boy did we ever... :shakehead: