Even More Obamacare Follies

#77
#77
hog88 said:
Oh, it's larger than guns. They will control so much information about us they will be able to micromanage our lives. Not to mention the probability of abuse and retaliation for opposing the admin or specific govt agency.
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It looks like #teamtinfoil is at near-record strength tonight.
 
#78
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notabed22 said:
It looks like #teamtinfoil is at near-record strength tonight.
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Do tinfoil hats come in troll size? Remember this little gem you typed earlier today?:

Interesting. Have you considered the possibility that your enrollment at Harvard is part of the much larger Ivy League-establishment conspiracy to keep the real thinkers out of the general public and inside the confines of academia so that there will be no resistance to the formation of a New World Order?
 
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McDad said:
Do tinfoil hats come in troll size? Remember this little gem you typed earlier today?:

Interesting. Have you considered the possibility that your enrollment at Harvard is part of the much larger Ivy League-establishment conspiracy to keep the real thinkers out of the general public and inside the confines of academia so that there will be no resistance to the formation of a New World Order?
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There's certainly no way in which that could possibly have been a sarcastic jab at therealUT in regards to his posts in the "Snowden is a hero" thread. Not a chance.
 
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notabed22 said:
There's certainly no way in which that could possibly have been a sarcastic jab at therealUT in regards to his posts in the "Snowden is a hero" thread. Not a chance.
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The "i was just joking" explanation? Lol.
 
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notabed22 said:
It should be obvious that I don't consider therealUT to be much of a real thinker.
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More sarcasm? Oh wait...serious this time? I can't tell. Wow nuttybud, you're too much. You got me in stitches. Stop the comedy train; i cannot take it.

ETA: now that's sarcasm.
 
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Will Obamacare Hurt Jobs? It's Already Happening, Poll Finds

Forty-one percent of the businesses surveyed have frozen hiring because of the health-care law known as Obamacare. And almost one-fifth—19 percent— answered "yes" when asked if they had "reduced the number of employees you have in your business as a specific result of the Affordable Care Act."

The poll was taken by 603 owners whose businesses have under $20 million in annual sales.
 
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#85
just relax, soon the government will have ironed out all the kinks and Obamacare will be rolling along and the 18 thousand IRS agents dedicated to enforcement of the mandate will administer their charge with complete and total impartiality

/dream sequence
 
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washingtonexaminer.com/rhode-island-health-insurance-rates.../2532566

Rhode Island is experiencing the truth of Obamacare implementation.

I still cannot believe this piece of garbage was passed.
 
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#96
Interesting article that summarizes a lot of the risks that many have already identified in this thread:

Philip Klein: Obamacare's looming train wreck | WashingtonExaminer.com

1. Young people don't sign up for insurance:

The problem is that because the law limits how much premiums can vary by age or health status, younger Americans will end up paying much higher rates than they would today. And that's for young Americans who are currently insured. Maintaining the existing pool of young Americans will not be sufficient for Obamacare to function -- insurers will need to pull in millions of young Americans who have decided to go uninsured under the current system. And young Americans who go uninsured effectively pay $0 a month in premiums. So, if they aren't purchasing insurance under the current system, why would they choose to purchase insurance once Obamacare kicks in, when it promises to drive rates even higher?
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2. Cost controls don't work:
To help pay for Obamacare, lawmakers wrung out savings from Medicare by adjusting payment rates to medical providers such as hospitals and nursing facilities, predicting it would encourage them to operate more efficiently.
The problem is that if the Medicare cuts aren't put into effect, Obamacare could actually add $6.2 trillion to the nation's long-term deficit instead of reducing it slightly, according to a recent analysis by the Government Accountability Office.
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3. Taxes and regulations prove too burdensome:

To help finance Obamacare's $1.8 trillion in new spending over the next decade and realize the law's vision of American health care in the future, lawmakers enacted $1 trillion in new taxes and a raft of new regulations on individuals and businesses. These include taxes on health insurance, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, tanning and investment income as well as regulations such as menu labeling at chain restaurants.
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4. Confusion and glitches discourage Americans from joining exchanges:

To function properly, health care policy experts estimate that each exchange would need to have between 100,000 to 125,000 enrollees. If not, the risk pool won't have the right mix of healthy and sicker individuals to make the health plans viable.

But the exchanges are facing massive technical challenges. After pledges that using their websites would be a consumer-friendly experience similar to purchasing airline tickets on Orbitz or Expedia, the official overseeing the technology said in March that the administration had lowered the bar and is now "just mak[ing] sure it's not a third-world experience."
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5. Overcrowding at doctors' offices:

Obamacare is projected to expand insurance coverage by about 30 million people over the next decade

A similar doctor crunch occurred in Massachusetts, where the state instituted reforms similar to those in Obamacare in 2007. In 2006, the average wait time to see a general practitioner was 33 days, according to a report by the Massachusetts Medical Society, but it shot up to 53 days by 2010 (it has since declined, but still stood at 44 days in 2012). Also, 64 percent of general practitioners were accepting new patients in 2006, but by 2009, that had declined to 44 percent. In 2012, five years after the law was implemented, the number is still only 51 percent, meaning that nearly half of general practitioners in Massachusetts won't accept new patients.
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If this outreach effort fails and the exchanges are not up to speed on Oct. 1, it would be a tremendous embarrassment to an administration that has had three and a half years to prepare, and make it less likely that Obamacare will be able to attract the critical mass of individuals needed to make the exchanges viable. That said, the problems that follow after Jan. 1 could be even more damaging. Problems with the exchanges will most effect people who would have been uninsured anyway prior to the law, so in some sense it could be argued that they are no worse off.

But a central promise of Obamacare was that the federal government would be able to extend benefits to tens of millions of people while leaving the health care experience for the rest of America essentially unchanged. The reason for this promise was that prior to the passage of Obamacare, a Gallup poll found that 87 percent of Americans who already had coverage were satisfied with their own personal health care experience. This means that any disruptions to that experience -- an insurance market in "death spiral," difficulty getting doctors' appointments, reduced access for Medicare patients or dropped employer coverage -- could have a much more severe impact on the sustainability of the health care law in the long-term.

Obamacare has survived a Supreme Court challenge, multiple repeal attempts and a presidential election. Now it is has to survive its own structural flaws.
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#99
#99
You should see some of the health plans being rolled out in order to keep pricing down and employers compliant. They are a joke.
$100k/yr max benefit, $10k/yr surgical limit....that type thing... $50 copay on brand name drugs, $10 generic with a limit of two per month, etc.
 
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