Every recruiting staff needs an excellent human lie detector.

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#26
Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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People are ragging on your idea so far but I would agree with you. There are people in every field who are better trained than the average Joe. I can't speak for your friend in particular but it seems obtuse in the extreme to think there aren't people who are trained to spot deception at some higher rate than Joe Schmo. As long as NCAA rules allowed it and I could afford to pay the person, if I thought it would give me even a 1% advantage over the competition I'd do it.
 
#27
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Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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He's talking about reading body language and microexpressions which works well. They teach these principles to law enforcement, lawyers, sales people, and business men to allow them to read people.

Here's the thing with it, it's hard as hell to use on adolescents. Sure you can tell if someone is lying, generally kids are worse at lying than most adults. However kids change their minds more often and are less concrete in their opinions. They can be easily influenced. You could go into some real fringe crap like linguistic manipulation for benefit lol but we're talking some really advanced pseudopsycology with emphasis on the pseudo.
 
#29
#29
Maybe....We should just have/teach people to tell the truth.
 
#30
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larjoranj said:
People are ragging on your idea so far but I would agree with you. There are people in every field who are better trained than the average Joe. I can't speak for your friend in particular but it seems obtuse in the extreme to think there aren't people who are trained to spot deception at some higher rate than Joe Schmo. As long as NCAA rules allowed it and I could afford to pay the person, if I thought it would give me even a 1% advantage over the competition I'd do it.
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I’m not talking about hiring someone.
I’m talking about all of the University resources available to you.
I guarantee you that right now we have a lot of faculty and staff at UT that are excellent at doing this.
Just have them observe guys and warn our coaches if they see outright deception.
That way, they will be prepared on and before signing day to have backup plans.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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Yeah...and maybe if she picks up they are lying....CJP could send in a hypnotist to ensure a LOI is signed for the big 🍊!
 
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Mightyvol said:
Yeah...and maybe if she picks up they are lying....CJP could send in a hypnotist to ensure a LOI is signed for the big 🍊!
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Now, we’re talking. :lolabove:
The hypnotist should Train our recruits that anytime they hear a rival coaches voice (like Saban or Richt) that they go into a curse laden tirade telling them to fook off.
:rock:
 
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Vfl2407 said:
She can’t do it on tv.
Only in person.
She told me she has helped a police detective before.
Sitting behind a two way mirror, she observed a suspect being interrogated.
She knew after five minutes that he was lying.
She has also seen those that she believed were truthful.
She said you just have to know what to look for and hear.
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News flash. The police department doesn't need to go outside their department for this. I have a relative, who is in law enforcement, and he was trained to read people during interrogations.
 
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OrangeFrog said:
A man's word doesn't mean what it used to. Today, we draw up papers for agreements because we all know a word doesn't mean anything. Integrity is a lesson very few learn nowadays.
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99% of my business dealings are agreed to with a handshake and my word.

I usually deal with country folks. Best people on earth.
 
#38
#38
Start with caro's book of poker tells

ask a person a question u know they wont lie about like where did you graduate

note that reaction very closely

later ask one they are likely to be less than truthful about

note difference

people are often in 2 categories, those who project strength while weak and vice versa

and those who are straight up easy to read

starting here will get you somewhere in life and a card game if combined with other necessary traits

mostly the same guys every week make the final table in poker and in life

biggest part of that is patience and common sense, but spotting a tell is invaluable sometimes :zeitung_lesen::zeitung_lesen:
 
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StoVol said:
Start with caro's book of poker tells

ask a person a question u know they wont lie about like where did you graduate

note that reaction very closely

later ask one they are likely to be less than truthful about

note difference

people are often in 2 categories, those who project strength while weak and vice versa

and those who are straight up easy to read

starting here will get you somewhere in life and a card game if combined with other necessary traits

mostly the same guys every week make the final table in poker and in life

biggest part of that is patience and common sense, but spotting a tell is invaluable sometimes :zeitung_lesen::zeitung_lesen:
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Well hell. Send our whole staff up to Harrahs in Asheville to hit the poker tables
 
#40
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Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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It’d be a good way to keep kids from committing
 
#41
#41
I would rather hire a hypnotist/recruiter.

You are getting sleepy.
Your favorite color is orange.
You get your corn from a jar.
You are now a VFL.
Wake up.
 
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#42
#42
When a recruit “commits” to a school it LITERALLY means NOTHING. I’m sure we’ve had numerous kids commit privately only to sign elsewhere on NSD.... until the ink is dried on papers they’re subject to do anything....while you and I call this LYING most recruits don’t...explains a lot doesn’t it?
 
#43
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Vfl2407 said:
Of course.
Would have to be a made up title.
They would only be around our recruits that have already verbally committed. But ones we know that they have recently or will soon visit other schools or have heard they are still considering other schools.
Smith and Walker were prime examples of two that played us.

I know that this idea is way outside the box.
But, wth, I hate being lied to on signing day.
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But when did Smith or Walker commit? Never? Sorry, but your prime examples are bad ones. Now, if you were talking about Mays?
 
#44
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casetopia said:
I would rather hire a hypnotist/recruiter.

You are getting sleepy.
Your favorite color is orange.
You get your corn from a jar.
You are now a VFL.
Wake up.
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You've never been hypnotized. It doesn't work like that.
 
#45
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TNnative said:
But when did Smith or Walker commit? Never? Sorry, but your prime examples are bad ones. Now, if you were talking about Mays?
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Wrong phrasing on those two by me.
You are correct.
It has been reported in several places that those two both gave Pruitt their “word” that he would get their LOI on signing day and that he felt he was purposely deceived by those players who were playing him.
 
#46
#46
Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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You don't need a lie detector or a psychologist. Just watch the kid's nose. If it grows as he speaks then just walk away.
 
#47
#47
Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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Lie detectors would not work. I'm sure the kids meant it when the coaches were in their living room or, even better, when they were on campus in the football complex. However, funny things like time and trips to other schools and coaches, etc. enter into the picture. They're teenagers.
 
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#48
Ignoring the fact that there’s no such thing as a human lie detector that has a 100% success rate, the kids aren’t maliciously lying to the coaches. Imo they truly believe they want to go there at the time they say it. It blows my mind that people can’t comprehend the fact that 17-18 year old kids are indecisive.
 
#49
#49
Vfl2407 said:
Do you know somebody that can always tell when someone is lying?
I have a friend that can.
She tells me that she reads posture, facial expressions, eye movement, voice inflection, length and tenor of answers to questions, etc.
She’s never wrong.
After reading that both Smith and Walker lied directly to CJP, I wonder if our staff needs someone like my friend.
Not a coaching staff member, of course.
But, maybe someone that the Psych Department or other place on campus could provide.
When we get a supposed “solid” commitment from a 5 Star or high 4 star that we REALLY want, this person would be used to sniff out any possible deception.

You could make up any number of reasons/job titles as to who this person is when they meet the recruit and why he/she is involved in recruiting.
But, just give the lie detector enuf time to watch the recruit and see what they think of them to the final answer to this question from CJP, “So, is your commitment to Tennessee 100 per cent solid and will you be sending us your LOI on signing day?”.

The lie detector can then tell CJP how confident they are that the recruit is or is not telling the truth.
Worth a shot?
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Might be better if you had someone who could read when a person is starting to change their mind about something.
 
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