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allvol21

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It goes without saying our program is removed from its glory days. But everyone has their own views as to why...

Some say it's the curse of Fulmer and we should have never fired him.

Others say that Kiffin left the program in disarray with a bitter fan base and a depleted roster and those that remained many of them dwindled off eventually and were never productive.

Well Dooley was a great guy who had many of us sold on his business like antics and southern talk. I believe had us all sold from the beginning but tbh he found a way to lose football games that many times he shouldn't have been it and then with the help of Hart's buddy Sal he just sank the ship lower than the titanic.

Butch comes in energizes our fan base improves attendance competes in a few games and goes lights out to this point with recruiting and is setting at 4-6.


Realistically and financially possible what is the solution to our football program that could actually come to fruition?
 
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A comma is the solution to your post.







Sorry op, I had to do it.
Anyway, I haven't lost faith and I still believe CBJ is the answer.
 
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whitw said:
A comma is the solution to your post.







Sorry op, I had to do it.
Anyway, I haven't lost faith and I still believe CBJ is the answer.
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Excuse me for the grammer :crazy: getting a little late. I understand that ur not off the bandwagon yet and Im not either even though last night didn't build any faith with CBJ which I had alot of during the midpoint of the season. All I am asking is if you believe that the current staff we have here is the best possible solution to improving us to a point of competitiveness in the east which should be the first goal. Than I respect you decision.

Though I was asking from a broader perspective OC/DC /position coach, AD or even Cheek would a move, fast-track the relevance to our program again?
 
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Stability,

At this point I would suffer through 6 years of mediocrity under Butch Jones if I KNEW beyond the shadow of a doubt that there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. That at the end of 6 years of stability the deck was stacked that we were loaded with talent and depth and just needed that one final puzzle piece to put it all together.


I am SO tired of hearing lack of talent and depth.
 
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whitw said:
A comma is the solution to your post.







Sorry op, I had to do it.
Anyway, I haven't lost faith and I still believe CBJ is the answer.
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No a comma isn't the solution, a coma is! Everyone needs to slip into one for at least 2 years!
 
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SigSaurP228 said:
Stability,

At this point I would suffer through 6 years of mediocrity under Butch Jones if I KNEW beyond the shadow of a doubt that there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. That at the end of 6 years of stability the deck was stacked that we were loaded with talent and depth and just needed that one final puzzle piece to put it all together.


I am SO tired of hearing lack of talent and depth.
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Me too Sig, Me too
 
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VolPride14 said:
Time and stability. Seriously.
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i know a lot don't want to hear it,but it is going to take time and I don't mean the middle of next year either,CBJ will need years to help unscramble the mess that the Vols are in now

it may take him letting some coaches go,but that is up to him and Hart,he will have to stay on the recruiting trail hard and we shall see what happens

money wise,i don't think they can afford to be firing and hiring new coaches and frankly it isn't warranted right now,he should get at least 3 years from the time he gets this recruiting class on campus

you have to remember,there are going to be a bunch of freshmen competing for playing time next year and as we all know in the SEC,it is usually the norm for them to be red shirting instead of playing

there probably won't be much improvement record wise next year,the year after is when there should be signs of improvement and the start of depth starting to improve
 
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VolPride14 said:
Time and stability. Seriously.
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This. I admit that I am not sold on our coordinators right now but hiring a new staff would not help. We need stability in our program. This is our 4th coaching staff since 2008. You cannot expect to build any kind of cohesiveness like that.
 
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Stability is crap if your coaches stink. It just means you get consistently poor coaching. I'm not interested in becoming Georgia.

Hire a DC and OC who can teach players how to contain the edge and call a decent game, basically improve upon a million other details this current staff can't do.
 
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so stability is the answer even if u keep losing.. ask bama how that worked out.. u/keep firing until u find a leader that can turn it around..

fire hart n cheek first.. please look at the product on the field n ask r they coached any better than last year n the answer is no.. n hart wanted to keep dools... n hired bj so that is the guy in charge he thought dools was the answer--
 
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SigSaurP228 said:
Stability,

At this point I would suffer through 6 years of mediocrity under Butch Jones if I KNEW beyond the shadow of a doubt that there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. That at the end of 6 years of stability the deck was stacked that we were loaded with talent and depth and just needed that one final puzzle piece to put it all together.


I am SO tired of hearing lack of talent and depth.
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The truth hurts.
 
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Maybe we can just hire and fire coaches willy nilly. If they don't satisfy the fanbase and what they expect we should be doing they automatically default on their contract and we can tell them to hit the road with no penalty. We could hire all the rockstar OC's and DC's and pray they will work out perfect in their first year. I am sure everyone will be lining up for these revolving door jobs. Who cares about how much we have to pay these cats...it's not like it's OUR money. Get that DishNet guy to pay for it...oh and the governor! Maybe JayBay and Aingey will pitch in a few bucks too.
 
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Recruits. I hate, I hate it, but they are the future to our program, I want Them to say to coach CBJ, this is what I can do, let's work together and make this thing work.
 
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more talent, more depth and a slightly easier schedule. Oregon, Missouri, Alabama, Auburn, UGA, USC all were in the top 25 when we played them
 
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OrangeFrog said:
Maybe we can just hire and fire coaches willy nilly. If they don't satisfy the fanbase and what they expect we should be doing they automatically default on their contract and we can tell them to hit the road with no penalty. We could hire all the rockstar OC's and DC's and pray they will work out perfect in their first year. I am sure everyone will be lining up for these revolving door jobs. Who cares about how much we have to pay these cats...it's not like it's OUR money. Get that DishNet guy to pay for it...oh and the governor! Maybe JayBay and Aingey will pitch in a few bucks too.
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Why don't people understand that it isn't the not winning immediately part that's the problem with coaching; it's the part that they lack any resemblance to a well coached team?
 
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92volalum said:
so stability is the answer even if u keep losing.. ask bama how that worked out.. u/keep firing until u find a leader that can turn it around..

fire hart n cheek first.. please look at the product on the field n ask r they coached any better than last year n the answer is no.. n hart wanted to keep dools... n hired bj so that is the guy in charge he thought dools was the answer--
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It is the only answer when your athletic department is virtually bankrupt.

UT absolutely can not afford anymore buyouts. I don't see us going over 8-4 under Butch Jones (especially with the current coordinators), but what CBJ seems to be good at is recruiting (at least from what we are seeing) so no matter what happens if we spend the next 5 years recruiting top 5 classes then in year 6 if we have to pull the trigger and move on that is what we can and will be able to do.

Stability provides us in theory recruits, money, and a more attractive position in the future.

I don't honestly see us being competitive until the year 2020, it really hurts saying that as a fan, but that is the truth of the matter. That will be two full recruiting cycles, all buyouts completely paid and a sometime to bank some money to get the big fish hires we need.

In the mean time we can hope that in 4 years Butch Jones does exactly what he has done every where else and at least provide us with an enjoyable product to watch.
 
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Unimane said:
Why don't people understand that it isn't the not winning immediately part that's the problem with coaching; it's the part that they lack any resemblance to a well coached team?
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So... Under Dooley we get a DC that we liked and did well enough that we were all happy and he shoved off somewhere else. Then we get Sal and everyone hates Sal. He must be the worst DC ever. Then we get this DC and VN starts to question whether or not it was Sal and it's this guy who is horrible. I am just glad that none of us clowns have a single thing to do with decisions made with the football team.
 
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allvol21 said:
It goes without saying our program is removed from its glory days. But everyone has their own views as to why...

Some say it's the curse of Fulmer and we should have never fired him.

Others say that Kiffin left the program in disarray with a bitter fan base and a depleted roster and those that remained many of them dwindled off eventually and were never productive.

Well Dooley was a great guy who had many of us sold on his business like antics and southern talk. I believe had us all sold from the beginning but tbh he found a way to lose football games that many times he shouldn't have been it and then with the help of Hart's buddy Sal he just sank the ship lower than the titanic.

Butch comes in energizes our fan base improves attendance competes in a few games and goes lights out to this point with recruiting and is setting at 4-6.


Realistically and financially possible what is the solution to our football program that could actually come to fruition?
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IMO you haven't put your finger on the true cause of our problems; namely inexperienced administrative folks and a board of trustees and donors that seem willing to accept and provide excuses for mediocrity.

Every year for the last 4 this fan base has been asking if we've reached rock bottom yet? The answer to that is a resounding NO. There's no immediate fix for this. It's gonna take time. If you're expecting us to go 8-4 next year, I'd highly advise you to take a 2014 off. CBJ willl either rebuild this program from the ground up, or he'll stock the cupboard for the next guy. We'll know if he's the guy in 2016. :search:
 
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Voldemonium said:
IMO you haven't put your finger on the true cause of our problems; namely inexperienced administrative folks and a board of trustees and donors that seem willing to accept and provide excuses for mediocrity.

Every year for the last 4 this fan base has been asking if we've reached rock bottom yet? The answer to that is a resounding NO. There's no immediate fix for this. It's gonna take time. If you're expecting us to go 8-4 next year, I'd highly advise you to take a 2014 off. CBJ willl either rebuild this program from the ground up, or he'll stock the cupboard for the next guy. We'll know if he's the guy in 2016. :search:
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So let me ask you this what does Jones have to do in terms of wins and losses to be allowed that time?
 
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