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#26
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Voldemonium said:
IMO you haven't put your finger on the true cause of our problems; namely inexperienced administrative folks and a board of trustees and donors that seem willing to accept and provide excuses for mediocrity.:search:
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If that is true and I am not saying it is then why over the past few years have we had 3 new head coaches?
 
#29
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allvol21 said:
So let me ask you this what does Jones have to do in terms of wins and losses to be allowed that time?
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What I think the fanbase is longing to see is progression.

5/7-4/8 this year.

6/6 and a bowl next year.

7/5-8/4 with a bowl win.

I believe Butch tops out at 8-4 with a mediocre bowl win.

I would think that after the crap we have gone through that the administration will probably settle with mediocrity until CBJ moves on or the fans demand more.

In my opinion as well the most disappointing aspect of this season is that Butch Jones fell short of his own goal of getting to a bowl game. That wasn't a goal anyone placed on him but himself.
 
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#30
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It's refreshing to see that some people on here actually understand that this is going to take time to fix. I understand this is a "what have you done for me lately" business, but sometimes that attitude doesn't fit every situation.

I saw someone above mention Saban at Alabama. First year record at Alabama was 7-6 including the bowl game. Now I'm not saying CBJ will turn out to run through college football like Saban has, but even great coaches can struggle.

Give it time, no one knows what the coming years will hold for UT.
 
#31
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allvol21 said:
It goes without saying our program is removed from its glory days. But everyone has their own views as to why...

Some say it's the curse of Fulmer and we should have never fired him.

Others say that Kiffin left the program in disarray with a bitter fan base and a depleted roster and those that remained many of them dwindled off eventually and were never productive.

Well Dooley was a great guy who had many of us sold on his business like antics and southern talk. I believe had us all sold from the beginning but tbh he found a way to lose football games that many times he shouldn't have been it and then with the help of Hart's buddy Sal he just sank the ship lower than the titanic.

Butch comes in energizes our fan base improves attendance competes in a few games and goes lights out to this point with recruiting and is setting at 4-6.


Realistically and financially possible what is the solution to our football program that could actually come to fruition?
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need a huge influx of talent.. will take 3 more classes
 
#32
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Grizzly Vol said:
It's refreshing to see that some people on here actually understand that this is going to take time to fix. I understand this is a "what have you done for me lately" business, but sometimes that attitude doesn't fit every situation.

I saw someone above mention Saban at Alabama. First year record at Alabama was 7-6 including the bowl game. Now I'm not saying CBJ will turn out to run through college football like Saban has, but even great coaches can struggle.

Give it time, no one knows what the coming years will hold for UT.
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I think the Saban analogy is seriously worn out. I haven't seen anything yet from this staff that shows anything remotely close to National Championship level coaching.

Regardless of talent/depth sometimes you have to lay your goods out there on the table and let your boys try to get the win, I haven't seen that style game planing in the last 4 games.

I do think that CBJ is a huge part of the reason that we beat South Carolina. If not for his emergency time out because of a busted coverage then we lose that game.
 
#33
#33
Unimane said:
Why don't people understand that it isn't the not winning immediately part that's the problem with coaching; it's the part that they lack any resemblance to a well coached team?
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The worst part of which is the regression throughout the season. Think back to the WKU game and the discipline shown in the offensive line when WKU jumped offsides and no one flinched.

Now its just like watching a train wreck in slow motion
 
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SigSaurP228 said:
I think the Saban analogy is seriously worn out. I haven't seen anything yet from this staff that shows anything remotely close to National Championship level coaching.

Regardless of talent/depth sometimes you have to lay your goods out there on the table and let your boys try to get the win, I haven't seen that style game planing in the last 4 games.
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Worn out or not it holds true. I'm not saying the game plans have been perfect, however I also believe that perfect game planning will fail if execution isn't what it needs to be. None of us know how the game plan is set up pre-game, we only get to see how it progresses on the field. I could be wrong, but I don't believe the game plan we have seen the past 4 games have been what was set up in practice.
 
#35
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Grizzly Vol said:
Worn out or not it holds true. I'm not saying the game plans have been perfect, however I also believe that perfect game planning will fail if execution isn't what it needs to be. None of us know how the game plan is set up pre-game, we only get to see how it progresses on the field. I could be wrong, but I don't believe the game plan we have seen the past 4 games have been what was set up in practice.
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Maybe, or maybe not BUT National Championship level coaches make adjustments to figure out ways to win Ball Games.

I never saw a coach to tell Palardy to stop making kicks returnable, and to kick them out of the back of the endzone.

Or telling someone to spy on the qb at auburn.

Where were the adjustments in the Vandy game to shut down their one offensive playmaker? Instead we play cover two.

Where were the adjustments exploit a depleted Vandy secondary?

National Championship level coaches find ways to win games.


Regardless of wether or not he is National Championship level I hope we have him for the next 6 years as we need the stability.

I also HOPE beyond all that I get to eat my words four years from now.
 
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#36
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Grizzly Vol said:
Worn out or not it holds true. I'm not saying the game plans have been perfect, however I also believe that perfect game planning will fail if execution isn't what it needs to be. None of us know how the game plan is set up pre-game, we only get to see how it progresses on the field. I could be wrong, but I don't believe the game plan we have seen the past 4 games have been what was set up in practice.
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I believe this is definitely a fair assessment. Though after recovering a fumble, losing yardage and missing a fg the blame can be put on both sides of execution and play calling in the red zone. Lets just be honest CBJ coached his worse game against Vandy in a must win situation to reach a bowl and and achieve HIS goal or being bowl eligible. Not even to mention the fake FG
 
#37
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SigSaurP228 said:
Maybe, or maybe not BUT National Championship level coaches make adjustments to figure out ways to win Ball Games.

I never saw a coach to tell Palardy to stop making kicks returnable, and to kick them out of the back of the endzone.

Or telling someone to spy on the qb at auburn.

Where were the adjustments in the Vandy game to shut down their one offensive playmaker? Instead we play cover two.

Where were the adjustments exploit a depleted Vandy secondary?

National Championship level coaches find ways to win games.
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All valid questions. I don't want to be misunderstood and make it seem like I am blindly supporting this staff. I have my questions as all of us do.

The only one of those I can respond to is the Vandy question since it is the most fresh in my mind. Exploiting a depleted secondary is what everyone wants to do, but being able to do it is a completely different thing. I don't know about you, but I saw no indication we could do it. An inability to complete the downfield passes we tried earlier in the game and the loss of the biggest downfield play maker we have can go a long way in making it difficult to exploit a weakness.
 
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#38
#38
It's sad that I have almost no championship expectations for the future now id just be elated to just have seasons every year like UGA
 
#39
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allvol21 said:
I believe this is definitely a fair assessment. Though after recovering a fumble, losing yardage and missing a fg the blame can be put on both sides of execution and play calling in the red zone. Lets just be honest CBJ coached his worse game against Vandy in a must win situation to reach a bowl and and achieve HIS goal or being bowl eligible. Not even to mention the fake FG
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The fake field goal was beyond a head scratcher. Still baffles me why that was attempted. I can agree with pretty much everything you said. This game was hard to watch as was played, minus the fact that we lost.
 
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Unimane said:
Stability is crap if your coaches stink. It just means you get consistently poor coaching. I'm not interested in becoming Georgia.

Hire a DC and OC who can teach players how to contain the edge and call a decent game, basically improve upon a million other details this current staff can't do.
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I would love to be as mediocre as Georgia.
 
#41
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Grizzly Vol said:
All valid questions. I don't want to be misunderstood and make it seem like I am blindly supporting this staff. I have my questions as all of us do.

The only one of those I can respond to is the Vandy question since it is the most fresh in my mind. Exploiting a depleted secondary is what everyone wants to do, but being able to do it is a completely different thing. I don't know about you, but I saw no indication we could do it. An inability to complete the downfield passes we tried earlier in the game and the loss of the biggest downfield play maker we have can go a long way in making it difficult to exploit a weakness.
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If you dont have enough confidence in your qb to throw a crossing route in the center if the fiels then you pull him and put in Nathan Peterman. I think at this point there is no solution but time and stability
 
#42
#42
My solution: wait for reinforcements, try to learn from as build off of the mistakes from year one. Continue to work night and day to improve and gain an edge mentally and physically in any way possible. Cultivate a change of culture for the underclass men where losing is not expected or accepted.

Basically, stay the course. Put in the blood sweat and tears and good things will come.
 
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#43
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SigSaurP228 said:
If you dont have enough confidence in your qb to throw a crossing route in the center if the fiels then you pull him and put in Nathan Peterman. I think at this point there is no solution but time and stability
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Just the idea of Peterman frightens me. However, I do completely understand the idea of pulling Dobbs due to his inability to accomplish much during the game. Peterman may have given us the best chance to win that night. Is it safe to assume that you do not agree with the notion of burning Riley's redshirt for the reminder of this season?
 
#45
#45
Losing is habit. Something Dooley left behind. I mean we won three damn ballgames in 4 years that we didn't actually win. GO FIGURE.

The answer lies in the 33 recruits we have and the prospects and commits that we have for 15 and 16.

So time and CBJ having more success in his second season to build a habit of winning and having the right personnel to get it done.

BTW I'm damn tired of saying we need more time. It's been a f#$king decade
 
#46
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Giveem6 said:
Losing is habit. Something Dooley left behind. I mean we won three damn ballgames in 4 years that we didn't actually win. GO FIGURE.

The answer lies in the 33 recruits we have and the prospects and commits that we have for 15 and 16.

So time and CBJ having more success in his second season to build a habit of winning and having the right personnel to get it done.

BTW I'm damn tired of saying we need more time. It's been a f#$king decade
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I think we are all tired of waiting, but this isn't an easy fix and from the sound of it you understand that.
 
#47
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Giveem6 said:
Losing is habit. Something Dooley left behind. I mean we won three damn ballgames in 4 years that we didn't actually win. GO FIGURE.

The answer lies in the 33 recruits we have and the prospects and commits that we have for 15 and 16.

So time and CBJ having more success in his second season to build a habit of winning and having the right personnel to get it done.

BTW I'm damn tired of saying we need more time. It's been a f#$king decade
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It has been a while now, but Butch Jones has not been here a full season yet. So my solution suggestion is we have to be patient and allow more time.
 
#48
#48
Short of paying top dollar for the best players or dropping to a lower level conference, I don't see things getting better real soon.
 
#49
#49
The answer is changing the culture from losing to winning and that starts with hardwork. Actually doing their work outs, running route after route over and over or throw pass after pass. It takes getting fitter mentally would help as well. Some of the problem are going to be packing and leaving and other will be given a chance to adjust their ways. When the new recruits come in, they will be taught winning behaviours and habits.
 
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#50
#50
I was never on the bandwagon …..if I were to select ONE thing we need for our athletic program to be successful LONGTERM it would be strong and effective leadership at the top....visionary, raw, focused, ruthless, driven, leadership with little regard for public opinion or personal gain....

But the powers that be, primarily the governor will not allow that to happen...obviously the Governor is rooted in the past as deeply as anyone and will NOT allow that to fail and his future isn't dependent on excellence in athletics rather its critical that the states fiscal metrics garner the attention of republican power brokers....and no this has little if anything to do with politics, republicans or democrats rather greed and ambition...
 
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