Evidence the 09.10.24 Presidential Debate had serious ethical concerns or at worst rigged?

[Sandman 423]

The reason that I don't balk at stuff as "Conspiracy Theories" is because people talked about the Nazis rounding up Jews or the Soviets starving people intentional in the Caucuses as "Conspiracy Theories" only to find out is true.

There are a lot of "conspiracy theories" that end up being accurate throughout history.

Look up Project MKUltra as an example of a conspiracy theory that ended up being true.

Heck, you can somewhat argue Qanon was right when it comes to what was going on in both Epstein and Weinstein situations.

Pay her no mind, she is just a racist troll.

 

[utvolpj]

Maybe don't say completely idiotic things in a potus debate and they won't talk about it

 

[volbound1700]

Maybe don't say completely idiotic things in a potus debate and they won't talk about it

Trump is a horrible debater. Frankly, he really isn't that great of a President overall. The issue is that he is an agent for change because the current politicians are clearly running our nation into the ground. I am not sure he is that much better but he is definitely that protest vote.

If he loses, I think it is just affirmation for the sitting government to continue to drag our nation down further.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Maybe don't say completely idiotic things in a potus debate and they won't talk about it

Second, do you think he really cares. I suspect this is one of the many reasons that other world leaders think so highly of him. He has no respect for them but demands respect from them because he is Trump.

 

[volbound1700]

Second, do you think he really cares. I suspect this is one of the many reasons that other world leaders think so highly of him. He has no respect for them but demands respect from them because he is Trump.

World leaders don't respect him, they are just afraid of him because he is so unpredictably.

 

[Sudden Impact]

World leaders don't respect him, they are just afraid of him because he is so unpredictably.

And I guess that makes some voters comfortable. It doesn't.
This country's division is my concern and a dysfunctional Congress.
To give either side a victory is a loss, but we are at this point.
Democrats need to say no to certain groups of Democrats and Republicans need to do the same.
We are missing out on progress because of the process.
Right now a Presidential Election is focused on "Cats" Previous weeks it has been on something else which may or may not be true depending on who you speak.
Immigration has always been a problem long before Trump hit the scene and you can blame both parties.
Furthermore, if it is not going your way, it is easier to blame the other side. Abortion, Social Security, Health Care and other issues are just a topics that have been hanging around for years.
We can't solve the problems that Congress created and they can't solve because they created it.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Maybe don't say completely idiotic things in a potus debate and they won't talk about it

While this sounds crazy to the average American, you can't hop Hatians on a plane, fly them 3000 miles, and think their culture is just magically going to change.

The bigger picture here, just with a couple of examples, is veterans being put last in their local government for help behind them.
The landlords kicking American citizens out of rentals to house the Hatians because the Federal government is paying a lot more money than what the rental is worth to house them.

 

[Carl Pickens]

While this sounds crazy to the average American, you can't hop Hatians on a plane, fly them 3000 miles, and think their culture is just magically going to change.

The bigger picture here, just with a couple of examples, is veterans being put last in their local government for help behind them.
The landlords kicking American citizens out of rentals to house the Hatians because the Federal government is paying a lot more money than what the rental is worth to house them.

They’re out there practicing voodoo rituals and what not….. it won’t be long before the steal EL’s fat ass cat… eat half of it and use the other half in some Santeria type

 

[BreatheUT]

 

[Sudden Impact]

Anybody would say this if they were a debate prepper and their candidate was a disaster.
Trump not prepared, but not the end of story. KH pushed buttons and the Trump pre debate team knew she was going to bait him. He fell for it not once but several times which speaks to his ability to handle his staff and make good decisions. Trump is like a veteran in the NFL that has lost his step and will soon be turned out to pasture.

As for Tusli, she is smoke and mirrors. Her failure as part of the team is what it is, as she part of the new conspiracy theory --- earbuds, prep notes, sorority sisters, cats & dogs, and any crap that sticks to the wall. All parts of a lie -- blame it on someone else, deny everything and admit to nothing.

In Contrast, Harris could not even make the 53 man roster in the NFL. Evaluated to first team and plays like a rookie because she is not capable of raising her level.

Trump gifted her that debate and he was traveling around with Loomer after the debate to appease certain factions of his vote and keep them in check. Used her for show and now let her go. Used for show, kick off because use had been accomplished. She was a complete news cycle for one week.

When it comes to entertainment Trump is a gamer. I have never seen anyone draw more media coverage in a nine year span than Trump. Great advertising for free, good and bad. I don't think you can name one day that Trump has been in the news both good and bad, since he was elected. All for free.

 

[BreatheUT]

Anybody say this if they were a debate prepper and their candidate was a disaster.
Trump not prepared, but not the end of story. KH pushed buttons and the Trump pre debate team knew she was going to bait him. He failed for it not once but several times which speaks to his ability to handle his staff and make good decisions. Trump is like a veteran in the NFL that has lost his step and will soon be turned out to pasture.

As for Tusli, she is smoke and mirrors. Her failure as part of the team is what it is, as she part of the new conspiracy theory --- earbuds, prep notes, sorority sisters, cats & dogs, and any crap that sticks to the wall. All parts of a lie -- blame it on someone else, deny everything and admit to nothing.

In Contrast, Harris could not even make the 53 man roster in the NFL. Evaluated to first team and plays like a rookie because she is not capable of raising her level.

Trump gifted her that debate and he was traveling around with Loomer after the debate to appease certain factions of his vote and keep them in check. Used her for show and now let her go. Used for show, kick off because use had been accomplished. She was a complete news cycle for one week.

When it comes to entertainment Trump is a gamer. I have never seen anyone draw more media coverage in a nine year span than Trump. Great advertising for free, good and bad. I don't think you can name one day that Trump has been in the news both good and bad, since he was elected. All for free.

I agree with a lot of your post but when you add bs, it lessens your credibility. It's a fact the moderator is her sorority sister. You know little about how black sororities work so you can stay in your lane. They could pass secrets with you standing in close proximity and you would never know. Once the relationship is forged through a sorority it culturally means more. In a setting this public, Davis scolding Harris would be viewed as betrayal by the sorority. It's a conflict of interest that should've been disclosed, but I doubt ABC would've cared.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I agree with a lot of your post but when you add bs, it lessens your credibility. It's a fact the moderator is her sorority sister. You know little about how black sororities work so you can stay in your lane. They could pass secrets with you standing in close proximity and you would never know. Once the relationship is forged through a sorority it culturally means more. In a setting this public, Davis scolding Harris would be viewed as betrayal by the sorority. It's a conflict of interest that should've been disclosed, but I doubt ABC would've cared.

I guess you are a black sorority sister as well.
The lane opened up when it was inferred/referenced as a talking point. Free Game. Offered by pundits as a possible reason Trump lost the debate.
You addressed it as credibility issue then you need to call all the News outlets and let them know.
Does not change the vote this is just another example of a layer of deflection being used by both sides.
Assumptions on your part to address credibility.
I guess I can assume these two black girls toyed with Trump. No telling what a group of world leaders will do with him.

 

[BreatheUT]

I guess you are a black sorority sister as well.
The lane opened up when it was inferred/referenced as a talking point. Free Game. Offered by pundits as a possible reason Trump lost the debate.
You addressed it as credibility issue then you need to call all the News outlets and let them know.
Does not change the vote this is just another example of a layer of deflection being used by both sides.
Assumptions on your part to address credibility.
I guess I can assume these two black girls toyed with Trump. No telling what a group of world leaders will do with him.

The other gender for me.

The relationship would've impacted the way Davis moderated and what she felt her job was. Even being neutral toward one candidate is bias against the other.

Since the debate she has stated she felt it was her job to fact check Trump. Not fact check Harris, but fact check Trump. Either way Trump should've been more prepared; however, that does not absolve the moderators from the highest duties of professionalism unless they are political pawns which should be called out publicly because that is a sign of propagandists which deceives the public.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The other gender for me.

The relationship would've impacted the way Davis moderated and what she felt her job was. Even being neutral toward one candidate is bias against the other.

Since the debate she has stated she felt it was her job to fact check Trump. Not fact check Harris, but fact check Trump. Either way Trump should've been more prepared; however, that does not absolve the moderators from the highest duties of professionalism unless they are political pawns which should be called out publicly because that is a sign of propagandists which deceives the public.

Funny, Presidential Election and you are discussing the Moderators vs the issues that really matter. Trump got called out for a Cat statement. Stupid to even discuss but Trump would not let it go and ABC fact checked him on it. Still got the sound bites he wanted. Blaming his poor performance on the Moderators is Trumpism.
He failed to answer the questions asked, when he had the opportunity. His answer/rebuttal airtime was +5 over Harris, but really created more Trump fake news. Harris was not much better. Trump maybe should take his earbuds out or stop doing drugs before debates because his cognitive skills and answers were basically off topic and with the same answers. He would answer some of them 2 or 3 questions or not at all. All the ramblings, the whining and the insults are honestly getting old.
So blame it on the Black sorority sisters may work for you but not me. This has got to be a new one.
Harris kind of beat him at his own game. Lie, discredit, and punch back with jargon.

 

[BreatheUT]

Funny, Presidential Election and you are discussing the Moderators vs the issues that really matter. Trump got called out for a Cat statement. Stupid to even discuss but Trump would not let it go and ABC fact checked him on it. Still got the sound bites he wanted. Blaming his poor performance on the Moderators is Trumpism.
He failed to answer the questions asked, when he had the opportunity. His answer/rebuttal airtime was +5 over Harris, but really created more Trump fake news. Harris was not much better. Trump maybe should take his earbuds out or stop doing drugs before debates because his cognitive skills and answers were basically off topic and with the same answers. He would answer some of them 2 or 3 questions or not at all. All the ramblings, the whining and the insults are honestly getting old.
So blame it on the Black sorority sisters may work for you but not me. This has got to be a new one.
Harris kind of beat him at his own game. Lie, discredit, and punch back with jargon.

Your takes are all over the place much like Trump's debate performance. I even said Trump should have prepared better however that does not excuse moderator bias. I know you have TDS, but that is a personal syndrome I can't help you with.

 

[volfanhill]

I agree with a lot of your post but when you add bs, it lessens your credibility. It's a fact the moderator is her sorority sister. You know little about how black sororities work so you can stay in your lane. They could pass secrets with you standing in close proximity and you would never know. Once the relationship is forged through a sorority it culturally means more. In a setting this public, Davis scolding Harris would be viewed as betrayal by the sorority. It's a conflict of interest that should've been disclosed, but I doubt ABC would've cared.

They probably both have Amazon Prime. That's a bias that should be investigated as well

 

[Sudden Impact]

Your takes are all over the place much like Trump's debate performance. I even said Trump should have prepared better however that does not excuse moderator bias. I know you have TDS, but that is a personal syndrome I can't help you with.

I believe using TDS as an out and is pretty much over as a defense and deflection. Like the RINO analogy. Trump is a RINO.
Trump does have DS, I don't disagree with you.
Using moderator bias and trying to pass it off with the sorority sisters argument sounds more like sour grapes.
For the record, I support neither of these candidates and both are unfit for the job.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Let me really stretch the field for you....
Some Republicans are blaming Loomer's presence for Trump's poor debate performance. Maybe Loomer was Muir's fraternity brother before his surgery and she was actually planted on Trump's by a 00 agent to rig the debate. Encouraged him to mention the Haitian Cat fiasco in Springfield.
Of course none of this happened and neither did the conclusion of moderators and candidates, It is all spin and political fodder not worth repeating, but it is. Waste of time chasing rabbits down a hole.

 

[perico]

I agree with a lot of your post but when you add bs, it lessens your credibility. It's a fact the moderator is her sorority sister. You know little about how black sororities work so you can stay in your lane. They could pass secrets with you standing in close proximity and you would never know. Once the relationship is forged through a sorority it culturally means more. In a setting this public, Davis scolding Harris would be viewed as betrayal by the sorority. It's a conflict of interest that should've been disclosed, but I doubt ABC would've cared.

What do David Letterman, Brad Pitt, Warren Beatty, Woody Harrelson, Democrat House leader Steny Hoyer, Ruben Gallego, and KY Dem Governor Andy Beshear have in common with Barry Goldwater, Tom Selleck, Bill Haslam, Bob Corker, Lamar Alexander, and John Wayne have in common?

They are all members of the same fraternity.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Noooo, that’s a big mountain to climb to get anywhere close to the pee tape conspiracy.

Russia Russia Russia

 

[Gandalf]

Did they give her the questions before hand? Of course they did and moderators were absolutely in the tank for her. But that’s no excuse that Trump should not have hammered her and not gotten sucked in by her baits.

If you can’t handle Kackles and two media, world leaders are going to be hard. Trump was not prepared. Not sure it’s really going to matter in the end but Trump utterly missed a chance to squash her, where Vance or DeSantis, frankly, would wipe the floor with her.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Did they give her the questions before hand? Of course they did and moderators were absolutely in the tank for her. But that’s no excuse that Trump should not have hammered her and not gotten sucked in by her baits.

If you can’t handle Kackles and two media, world leaders are going to be hard. Trump was not prepared. Not sure it’s really going to matter in the end but Trump utterly missed a chance to squash her, where Vance or DeSantis, frankly, would wipe the floor with her.

Vance/Desantis or Desantis/Vance sounds good to me.

Ready for drama that follows Trump to be over

 

[Majors]

What do David Letterman, Brad Pitt, Warren Beatty, Woody Harrelson, Democrat House leader Steny Hoyer, Ruben Gallego, and KY Dem Governor Andy Beshear have in common with Barry Goldwater, Tom Selleck, Bill Haslam, Bob Corker, Lamar Alexander, and John Wayne have in common?

They are all members of the same fraternity.

One convenient relationship that does muddy up the debate for those paying attention is Harris and Dana Walden (Sr. Disney Executive)

The executive, Dana Walden, first met Kamala Harris in 1994. Their husbands, Matt Walden and Doug Emhoff, have known each other since the 1980s. The Waldens — “extraordinary friends,” per the vice president — have donated money to Ms. Harris’s political campaigns since at least 2003, when she ran for district attorney in San Francisco.

Money quote
“In many ways, Dana and Matt are responsible for my marriage,” Ms. Harris joked at a fund-raiser in April 2022 at the Waldens’ home in Brentwood, a wealthy Los Angeles enclave where Ms. Harris and Mr. Emhoff also own a residence.

 

[Majors]

Always after the fact. Wouldn’t this be election interference and be subjected to a minimum of 786M lawsuit.