Excellent article on the Full Court Press

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LawVol13 said:
1) No way SCjr will be better next year. Without Downey, Horn will be exposed.
2.) At the little insult thrown my way toward recruiting. Maybe you should look at recruiting a little bit.

Illinois is finishing their second straight top 15 class (10th this year). Michigan State is 6th. Ohio State is 2nd. Purdue is 19th. Minnesota had a nationally ranked class last year.

As to the comment about no one outside of the top 4 could compete in the SEC. You don't think Minnesota could compete with the lower echelon of the SEC? Illinois couldn't compete with LSU? I would be willing to wager that any team in the Big 10 could have beaten LSU this year.
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What? You're saying a team that beat Butler, Michigan State, and Purdue and made the NCAA Tournament could compete with powers like Auburn, LSU, and Arkansas? That's silly.
 
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QuickdrawMcVols said:
It was better than the USC-UT game. Doubt USC could have competed in the SEC this year, though.
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Yeah, the SEC was such a beast this year. Don't know how Tennessee and Kentucky had enough left in the tank to make the Elite Eight after a steady diet of the South Carolinas, LSUs, Auburns, Alabamas, and Arkansas of the world.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, the SEC was such a beast this year. Don't know how Tennessee and Kentucky had enough left in the tank to make the Elite Eight after a steady diet of the South Carolinas, LSUs, Auburns, Alabamas, and Arkansas of the world.
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Never said the SEC was a beast. I happen to think the SEC fell flat on their face this year. You can make an argument for MState and Ole Miss but when they needed to win to make the tourney, they couldnt put it together.

It just sounded like you were trying to look at the Vandy-Illinois game as a barometer for the strength of the Big 10, which imo was a little off.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, the SEC was such a beast this year. Don't know how Tennessee and Kentucky had enough left in the tank to make the Elite Eight after a steady diet of the South Carolinas, LSUs, Auburns, Alabamas, and Arkansas of the world.
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Yes, well, it won't be the same next year, Hat. South Carolina lost their only legit player, and LSU loses Tasmin Mitchell. And Arkansas has retained their Woodenesque coach. The SEC is basically going to be the NBA Western Division next year.
 
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emainvol said:
You can be in the top 5 or 10 all you want to, that doesn't make you "similarly stacked" when you lose 2 all americans and potentially 4-5 first rounders
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It does if you get 2 or 3 more lottery picks...


It is hilarious to see Hat show up and try to base an argument for the Big 10 on one game....

No one ever got down and dirty into RPI numbers and head to head numbers in the SEC when I posted it all, because the SEC beat the Big 10 head to head.

And yes, the 5th best team in the Big 10 could beat the bottom 3 teams in the SEC, but that proves nothing.

If you took 11 teams from the Big 10, and the best 11 from the SEC and they played each other, the SEC would win.

I am not going to rehash my whole thread, but the two best victories the Big 10 had against the SEC were against TN, and neither were huge drubbings.

The SEC will have MUCH better talent coming in than the Big 10 this year in terms of depth. Outside of 4 teams, the Big 10 has 2 4 stars for all the remaining schools...weak sauce.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
It does if you get 2 or 3 more lottery picks...


It is hilarious to see Hat show up and try to base an argument for the Big 10 on one game....

No one ever got down and dirty into RPI numbers and head to head numbers in the SEC when I posted it all, because the SEC beat the Big 10 head to head.

And yes, the 5th best team in the Big 10 could beat the bottom 3 teams in the SEC, but that proves nothing.

If you took 11 teams from the Big 10, and the best 11 from the SEC and they played each other, the SEC would win.

I am not going to rehash my whole thread, but the two best victories the Big 10 had against the SEC were against TN, and neither were huge drubbings.

The SEC will have MUCH better talent coming in than the Big 10 this year in terms of depth. Outside of 4 teams, the Big 10 has 2 4 stars for all the remaining schools...weak sauce.
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So let me get this straight, Kentucky is going to lose 6 players, 5 of them likely first round NBA players (and they have all declared) and replace them with 2-3 possible lottery picks (are there even 2-3 future lottery picks left out there?) and they are going to be similarly stacked to this year? And you questioned the seriousness of my post?
 
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emainvol said:
So let me get this straight, Kentucky is going to lose 6 players, 5 of them likely first round NBA players (and they have all declared) and replace them with 2-3 possible lottery picks (are there even 2-3 future lottery picks left out there?) and they are going to be similarly stacked to this year? And you questioned the seriousness of my post?
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Brandon Knight,
CJ Leslie
Terrence Jones
Josh Selby (although I pray not...)
Doron Lamb
Terrence Ross
and they already have

Stacey Poole...

Yeah...
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yes, well, it won't be the same next year, Hat. South Carolina lost their only legit player, and LSU loses Tasmin Mitchell. And Arkansas has retained their Woodenesque coach. The SEC is basically going to be the NBA Western Division next year.
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Mississippi State is just hoping Rider isn't added to the league.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Brandon Knight,
CJ Leslie
Terrence Jones
Josh Selby (although I pray not...)
Doron Lamb
Terrence Ross
and they already have

Stacey Poole...

Yeah...
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Its a great class, but its not comparable to this years class. This years group is a once in a decade kind of class.

The 10' class has enough great players to consider it a "reload", but you can't possibly put them on the same pedestal. Will they be ranked? yeah. Will the compete for the SEC title? Yeah. But If this class goes 35-3 next year, you can color me shocked.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Its a great class, but its not comparable to this years class. This years group is a once in a decade kind of class.

The 10' class has enough great players to consider it a "reload", but you can't possibly put them on the same pedestal. Will they be ranked? yeah. Will the compete for the SEC title? Yeah. But If this class goes 35-3 next year, you can color me shocked.
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The problem is, Kentucky is attempting to replace about 90 percent of its scoring and about 95 percent of its rebounding. Not to mention there is absolutely no way they land all of those guys. 4 tops. That makes them a tournament team and in the top 20ish, and quite honestly that is damn near the ceiling.
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emainvol said:
The problem is, Kentucky is attempting to replace about 90 percent of its scoring and about 95 percent of its rebounding. Not to mention there is absolutely no way they land all of those guys. 4 tops. That makes them a tournament team and in the top 20ish, and quite honestly that is damn near the ceiling.
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I agree. I think you see Knight and Leslie for certain. Selby is not going to split time with Knight, regardless of what he says. It appears that Terrance Jones wants to stay on the west coast, and though Ross likes us, they seem to be a package deal. Word is that we are still in good with Lamb, but nothing concrete. There are a few more prospects as well, including another SG.

However, as you say, BEST case scenario is 4. (I think its 5, but 4 is the safe ceiling) This team doesn't have the tools to dominate. I have watched alot of video on Kanter, and he is a force down low. Great moves. But at this point we can't even be certain he will be eligible.

We don't really have an area of the game we can dominate. We will lose our edge on the boards. We will not have the dominant post game that we had. We will upgrade slightly in outside shooting, but it can't be considered a strength.

I fully believe by tourney time we are a top 15 team competing with UT/Vandy for the SEC title. However, this team isn't working the same magic as this season.

However, the 11' season will be the reload, assuming we do not have another mass exodus.
 
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Until Scotty can maintain a high-intensity level, pressing (on occasion) may be the best option. If of course he decides defense is important. The excitement and upbeat tempo a press provides may contribute to him maturing into a more aggressive player.

Rant: Have you considered posting a new thread Mike? Not a long rambling pre-existing topic?
 
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Truth said:
Until Scotty can maintain a high-intensity level, pressing (on occasion) may be the best option. If of course he decides defense is important. The excitement and upbeat tempo a press provides may contribute to him maturing into a more aggressive player.

Rant: Have you considered posting a new thread Mike? Not a long rambling pre-existing topic?
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Your off to a great start. :eek:k:
 
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emainvol said:
I am trying to figure out how Kentucky will be stacked when they are going to lose about 6 guys. It would take an army of WWWes's working round the clock to get them back into contention for the division if the guys who can leave do.
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Yep number 2 class in the country even without Eloy Vargas, they sure did fall off a cliff talent wise. How can they expect to get to the tournament at all this year with Lamb and Kanter and Knight which represents 3 players each with NBA potential UT has seen on campus zero times in the last decade (but will see when Tobias Harris comes in)?
 
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LawVol13 said:
1.) The Big 10 was clearly better than the SEC this year.
2.) UK won't be as good; UF might or might not be better; there is nothing to suggest SCjr will be any better. In fact, there is every reason to suggest they will be worse because their coach sucks and they lose Downey.
3.) Why are LSU and Auburn going to be vastly improved? They may be better, but probably not any more than marginally.
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Lets get the new thread for predictions forum...
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I am not sure we disagree...

If our team is unable to play halfcourt defense well, we cannot do it when we need to (two senior guards in the tournament we cannot press) and we will lose.

I think if we get to where we can play halfcourt very well, then we need to work on and use full court press.

Also see the article or look at the 96 UK squad. Selby, Hopson, Tatum, Harris and Hall running up and down the court and getting 30 points off turnovers could be very sweet and if your team is athletic and deep enough and buys in to the effort required to press well, you can absolutely blow out teams that would hang with you if you played a halfcourt game the whole time.

To whoever said we had depth this year to press, perhaps you do not understand that stephen pearl cannot successfully defend a PG in the full court. Nor can Brian Williams. Nor can Skylar Mcbee.

If you have a backcourt with Goins, and Selby, and Golden and McRae, you could press for 3/4 of a game and not feel concerned.

With Maze, Goins (part of the season), Bone, Mcbee...you cannot. Josh Tabb would have even given more hope that we could press but we lost him as well.
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Yea, if we get really good in half-court defense, we should just abandon it completely and go with the full court press. Makes as much sense as all the pre-season predictions of how great the SEC will be next year.:crazy:
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
It does if you get 2 or 3 more lottery picks...


It is hilarious to see Hat show up and try to base an argument for the Big 10 on one game....

No one ever got down and dirty into RPI numbers and head to head numbers in the SEC when I posted it all, because the SEC beat the Big 10 head to head.

And yes, the 5th best team in the Big 10 could beat the bottom 3 teams in the SEC, but that proves nothing.

If you took 11 teams from the Big 10, and the best 11 from the SEC and they played each other, the SEC would win.

I am not going to rehash my whole thread, but the two best victories the Big 10 had against the SEC were against TN, and neither were huge drubbings.

The SEC will have MUCH better talent coming in than the Big 10 this year in terms of depth. Outside of 4 teams, the Big 10 has 2 4 stars for all the remaining schools...weak sauce.
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If you took 11 teams in order of strength for the Big 10 and SEC, the Big 10 would have won at least 8 of the match ups last year.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
This cannot be a serious statement...

UK is not in the top 25 now class wise. When they finish they should be top 5, certainly top 10.
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Despite their recruiting ranking, KY is not nearly the team now that they were last year. Get real with your before recruiting is ended, pre-schedule predictions.
 
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LawVol13 said:
1) No way SCjr will be better next year. Without Downey, Horn will be exposed.
2.) At the little insult thrown my way toward recruiting. Maybe you should look at recruiting a little bit.

Illinois is finishing their second straight top 15 class (10th this year). Michigan State is 6th. Ohio State is 2nd. Purdue is 19th. Minnesota had a nationally ranked class last year.

As to the comment about no one outside of the top 4 could compete in the SEC. You don't think Minnesota could compete with the lower echelon of the SEC? Illinois couldn't compete with LSU? I would be willing to wager that any team in the Big 10 could have beaten LSU this year.
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Again, you are trying to include facts in your response to MHF. You should know by now that facts do not factor in his arguments. The SEC rules and every team will be better regardless of what reality tells us.
 
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