Expect a visit from Al Sharpton

[checkerboard03]

I think focusing on Al Sharpton is missing the OP's point. Kippy deserved a legitimate interview (if he was indeed promised one), even if his chance of earning the job was very small.

Was race involved here? I don't know, no one really does except Hamilton.

 

[NYYVol]

Are you familiar with the Wade Houston story from the early 90's. If you are than you will understand that racism is alive and well at UT......and I am a conservative. I have been to the parties. I have sat in on job interviews where my collegues have dismissed candidates because of their skin color, and sometimes even their name. There is another level that supercedes the AD. Booster's that give millions of dollars to the university that dictate what coach is hired. There are people who could not stomach a black head coach at UT just like people could not stomach a black President. I speak from experience.

When all else fails, play the race card and mention Obama.

Nice.
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[Recoil]

FAIL.

This has nothing to do with race. I would enjoy seeing Mike Hamilton on the radio with his multi racial family pictured arguing with Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton is a racist pimp and liar who professionally agitates because he knows that progress means he would have to earn a living by doing something other than hating Jews and white people.

+1000. The only exception I take is your ability to see Hamilton on the radio.

You gotta show me how to do that!!

 

[allvol123]

I think focusing on Al Sharpton is missing the OP's point. Kippy deserved a legitimate interview (if he was indeed promised one), even if his chance of earning the job was very small.

Was race involved here? I don't know, no one really does except Hamilton.

Is there some proof he did not get that?

 

[Arthuritis]

Hey...it is a big recruting weekend...does Al have any eligibility left?

 

[KureVol]

Are you making this racial accusation towards Hamilton? Yea, him and those adopted black kids of his make it hard to ward off the idea that he considers some races lesser.

This is not about Hamilton. This is about the boosters that call the shots. Do you actually think that Hamilton had a say in this? He is a puppet that will take the glory for the good decisions, and be the goat for the bad. Hamilton will take major heat for this.

 

[give_him 6]

Can we move this thread to the OFF TOPiCS thread for POLITICS? Its been a tough week for Vols fans. Can we at least have today to get re-energized without someone trying to divide the VN again like unmentioned last coach?
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[checkerboard03]

I don't have any experience was race and head coaches at UT, but I do have relatives in rural Kentucky. Their neighbors were infuriated when Tubby was hired.

Racism is still out there (of course). It goes both ways, too. I don't THINK the Dooley hire had anything to do with race, but it is hard to look at the number of minority head coaches in major college sports and not think race enters the equation sometimes.

 

[checkerboard03]

Yeah, you are probably right. This doesn't belong in the football forum.

 

[VOLnMiami]

Al Sharpton is someone who is screaming out to be made fun of.

 

[allvol123]

This is not about Hamilton. This is about the boosters that call the shots. Do you actually think that Hamilton had a say in this? He is a puppet that will take the glory for the good decisions, and be the goat for the bad. Hamilton will take major heat for this.

Do you think Hamilton chooses to be a part of a situation that you describe? No matter who else is involved, at some point he knows the deal and freely chooses to play a part in it. If he knows about it and does nothing about it, it is the same as being a part of it. You're letting your imagination run wild.

 

[BuckheadVol1]

Are you familiar with the Wade Houston story from the early 90's. If you are than you will understand that racism is alive and well at UT......and I am a conservative. I have been to the parties. I have sat in on job interviews where my collegues have dismissed candidates because of their skin color, and sometimes even their name. There is another level that supercedes the AD. Booster's that give millions of dollars to the university that dictate what coach is hired. There are people who could not stomach a black head coach at UT just like people could not stomach a black President. I speak from experience.

You may speak from experience but it is not relative in this situation. I am baffled anyone would even bring this up but there is always one person that has to.
This thread is an EPIC FAILURE! Why? ...

Kippy was hired by Kiffin and not Hamilton! I love Kippy and he is a friend of my father. He is qualified but he, again, was not Hamilton's hire! I think and hope he would have stayed on to coach at UT but let's face it. He is there for two reasons -1.) he wants to be and 2.) most importantly, under contract.

The only discrmination that may have occurred was his age. I believe (excluding the pressure to hire Cut) that Hammy wanted a younger individual.

If Lovie's buyout was not so large, you woudld have had your first African American coach at UT.

BTW, Sharpton is scum who makes money by exploiting his own race!

 

[VOLnMiami]

This is not about Hamilton. This is about the boosters that call the shots. Do you actually think that Hamilton had a say in this? He is a puppet that will take the glory for the good decisions, and be the goat for the bad. Hamilton will take major heat for this.

No he won't...The only person bringing it up is YOU lol:

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

+1000. The only exception I take is your ability to see Hamilton on the radio.

You gotta show me how to do that!!

As someone who watches a lot of political style TV, they often have radio interviews where they show pictures. My ideal Sharpton fight is with Al in a studio, sweat glistening on his forehead so often he has to keep mopping it with an Armani hankie as pictures scroll by of Mike Hamilton playing with his adopted kids and Mike says that he wanted an African American coach but was not able to work out the deal with Lovie Smith.

It would end with Mike asking Al to apologize for Tawanna and informing him that he heard that Al was being audited by the IRS.

 

[OrangeNYC]

how dumb. kippy has no HC experience, except for a year in the xfl. any guy who took the wr coach job 3 weeks ago isn't qualified to be head coach.

 

[KureVol]

As someone who watches a lot of political style TV, they often have radio interviews where they show pictures. My ideal Sharpton fight is with Al in a studio, sweat glistening on his forehead so often he has to keep mopping it with an Armani hankie as pictures scroll by of Mike Hamilton playing with his adopted kids and Mike says that he wanted an African American coach but was not able to work out the deal with Lovie Smith.

It would end with Mike asking Al to apologize for Tawanna and informing him that he heard that Al was being audited by the IRS.

My opinion does not concern Al Sharpton or Mike Hamilton. Sharpton was just a metaphor, and Hamilton would be the scapegoat. This is about feelings that are undoubtedly entrenched in the Old South. Most of us on this board cannot fathom that way of thinking, but the real controllers of our athletic program are not most people. Kippy Brown was more qualified than Derek Dooley to coach at UT, yet he was not given a fair opportunity. He should have been given first right of refusal. This thread is not about the characters involved. It is about a mindset that is counterproductive and destructive in every way.

 

[Recoil]

As someone who watches a lot of political style TV, they often have radio interviews where they show pictures. My ideal Sharpton fight is with Al in a studio, sweat glistening on his forehead so often he has to keep mopping it with an Armani hankie as pictures scroll by of Mike Hamilton playing with his adopted kids and Mike says that he wanted an African American coach but was not able to work out the deal with Lovie Smith.

It would end with Mike asking Al to apologize for Tawanna and informing him that he heard that Al was being audited by the IRS.

LOL! Ms. Brawley, is there any information you can provide?

 

[VOLnMiami]

My opinion does not concern Al Sharpton or Mike Hamilton. Sharpton was just a metaphor, and Hamilton would be the scapegoat. This is about feelings that are undoubtedly entrenched in the Old South. Most of us on this board cannot fathom that way of thinking, but the real controllers of our athletic program are not most people. Kippy Brown was more qualified than Derek Dooley to coach at UT, yet he was not given a fair opportunity. He should have been given first right of refusal. This thread is not about the characters involved. It is about a mindset that is counterproductive and destructive in every way.

In what way is he more qualified?...He's never been a head coach...Dooley has been a head coach AND the AD at La Tech...Kippy has only roamed around to different teams and never stays in the same place for long...Believe me, If he was that qualified, At his age he would've already been a head coach somewhere.

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

My opinion does not concern Al Sharpton or Mike Hamilton. Sharpton was just a metaphor, and Hamilton would be the scapegoat. This is about feelings that are undoubtedly entrenched in the Old South. Most of us on this board cannot fathom that way of thinking, but the real controllers of our athletic program are not most people. Kippy Brown was more qualified than Derek Dooley to coach at UT, yet he was not given a fair opportunity. He should have been given first right of refusal. This thread is not about the characters involved. It is about a mindset that is counterproductive and destructive in every way.

At a dinner with a major booster and a notable politician from East TN the booster (in his 70s) made a comment about the UT football players that was not the N word but was about "monkeys" and was clearly saying that he thought negatively of black people. I almost came out of my chair, but he was reprimanded by me and by the politician. I did not tell him that my brother is African American because even before he was adopted I hated racism and wanted to punch racists...

Cherokee should have been cut out after what they did to Houston. Hearing about that made me sick.

 

[Fullfillmer]

As a lifelong Vol I am well aware of the "real" powers that be behind the athletic program. I was a student at the University when the whole Wade Houston/Cherokee Country Club incident broke. I believe that if the reports are true that Kippy Brown was not given a fair shot at becoming the coach at the University of Tennessee, then Mike Hamilton will have some serious explaining to do. If there are people out there who actually believe that Derek Dooley was more qualified than Kippy Brown to be the head coach at UT needs to have their head examined. Kippy has been a class act everytime he has stepped foot on this campus. He has coached under Majors, Fulmer and recently LK. That is just for the Vols. He has numerous years of experience as position coach at the NFL level, yet somehow he gets passed over for the kid of a legendary SEC football coach that could be the poster child for the Old South Good Ole Boy Network. Brown showed his allegiance to the university by being the glue that has kept this team together since Monday evening. This is how our AD treats loyalty. I believe that I echo the sentiments of a lot of "younger " fans in Volnation. This could get very ugly unless Hamilton can somehow give a proper explaination on why Derek Dooley is more qualified than Kippy Brown to be Tennessee's head football coach. Many of you will say that he was the head football coach, AD, at LT plus he was an attorney. That sounds good if you want to give an award for Multi-Tasker of the Year. This is Tennessee Football. Kippy was our best option for retaining the rich tradition of our program. Dooley seems, if given time ,he could build this team back up to where it should be.....But so could Kippy. This is 2010, but for Kippy, it might as well be 1950.

Ok - I am not going to even read your complete comment but I will tell you that you are a complete moron. Or your thesis is moronic. I love Kippy, he is a good guy and I desperately hope we keep him on Dooly's staff. He is simply not as attractive a candidate as Dooley, nor is he as attractive as the coach at Houston - Sumlin, who we interviewed. So Kippy would have been 3 rd on my list of those interested with Cutcliff
a distant 4th. Kippy is a heavy set, older gentlemen with no head coaching experience and significant time since he last recruited a player. Sumlin, the guy at Houston and Dooley are both far more attractive candidates than either Kippy or Cutcliff. Two of these candidates are black, two are not.

Just as we recruit the best players regardless of color or religious affiliation, we don't recruit our head coach based on either of these factors.

What's next, Sumlin was treated better than Kippy because his Sumlin's skin tone was darker?

The only reason people don't like Bruce Pearl's offense is because he is Jewish?

You must be a Fulmerite and anything that doesn't have some connection, to Fulmer, Cutcliff, Chavis, and the old fat boy system of Tennessee football just won't make you happy. I am almost as old as Phil but he got his team fired up by referencing Rockum- Sockum robots. That is about a 40 to 50 year old reference and you are not going to recruit and capture the minds of 18 year olds with all that old school crap.

I might be wishing we hired Sumlin down the road but not Kippy (for head coach). You and Al Sharpton move along here -- nothing to see. Come back when you have a real issue. Also don't ever reference Wade Houston in the same sentence or paragraph with the term Coach.

The two are mutually exclusive. ( Very nice guy though
and a good recruiter.)

 

[dickens821]

Hamilton has three adopted children from Ethiopia. If anyone tries to call him racist I hope he tells them to get the **** out.

 

[Dudley Smith]

I think that's a tough accusation to throw out without any actual information behind it. This is pure speculation. One could make the argument that Hamilton's search, both last year and this year, have consistently placed a value on youth, high energy, and recruiting prowess/background - hence Kiffin and Dooley as his choices. Kiffin wasn't even a part of the good ole boy network royalty, as you deem Dooley to be. Kippy seems like a great guy, has loyalty to the university, and NFL connections, but he (and Cutcliffe) represent an entirely different model of coach. Who knows which one would be better, but I think a good argument can be made that Dooley fits the blueprint of what Hamilton has been looking for. Sumlin might as well, I don't know the guy very well at all, and didn't even know he was black until this morning when I read it on another thread. I didn't want him because I don't like his chuck and duck offense, same reason I didn't want Mike Leach.

 

[Fullfillmer]

This is not about Hamilton. This is about the boosters that call the shots. Do you actually think that Hamilton had a say in this? He is a puppet that will take the glory for the good decisions, and be the goat for the bad. Hamilton will take major heat for this.

You appear to have the IQ of the gentleman who's picture you display, I think his name is Eddie. Who are these racist boosters that are calling these shots. You seem to have a lot of inside information not available to the rest of us. I have to get ready to go to see us beat up Ole Miss but again I am calling Bulls__t on your whole premise.

 

[volfanjustin]

My opinion does not concern Al Sharpton or Mike Hamilton. Sharpton was just a metaphor, and Hamilton would be the scapegoat. This is about feelings that are undoubtedly entrenched in the Old South. Most of us on this board cannot fathom that way of thinking, but the real controllers of our athletic program are not most people. Kippy Brown was more qualified than Derek Dooley to coach at UT, yet he was not given a fair opportunity. He should have been given first right of refusal. This thread is not about the characters involved. It is about a mindset that is counterproductive and destructive in every way.

Your arguement does not hold any water. Kevin Sumlin was a finalist along with Dooley, this has nothing to do with color or being a racist. I really like Kippy, but he has never been a head coach.