Expectations For CJH Post Media Days

[bluevols27]

I am curious about the general undertones regarding Vol fan expectations for Heupel. I saw his speech at Media day, and he seemed to be in good spirits. Year 4 has typically been a sliding doors moment for each of our head coaches (for better or worse). The fan base either completely gets behind you after year 4, or completely turns on you at this juncture in a man’s tenure. It is what it is. Do you expect 9 wins? 95 percent of fans are still in on him as the captain of the ship, but what would it take to substantially shift those numbers?In my opinion, If he went for 7 wins—I think the fans would flip on him. 8 wins and I think it’s a controversy. 9 wins and I think he’s safe. What say you? Agree or disagree?

 

[90 Vol]

I am curious about the general undertones regarding Vol fan expectations for Heupel. I saw his speech at Media day, and he seemed to be in good spirits. Year 4 has typically been a sliding doors moment for each of our head coaches (for better or worse). The fan base either completely gets behind you after year 4, or completely turns on you at this juncture in a man’s tenure. It is what it is. Do you expect 9 wins? 95 percent of fans are still in on him as the captain of the ship, but what would it take to substantially shift those numbers?In my opinion, If he went for 7 wins—I think the fans would flip on him. 8 wins and I think it’s a controversy. 9 wins and I think he’s safe. What say you? Agree or disagree?

I think we'll go 10-2 and we have our guy long term.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Totally disagree. In the past, when UT fans turned on their coach in year 4, it wa because he was a total jerk and a loser. Not one of the year 4 coaches that crapped the bed won 11 games, beat Saban, or won their bowl game. Way too many firsts to name in that famed season. IMO, the 22 season bought him 5 years minimum. Heck, half the fan base loved butch until halfway thru the 16 season was over. It wasn't nearly the majority of the fanbase until midway through his 5th season, when he essentially left UT no choice but to move on by going 0-fer in the SEC.

If for some reason Heup has a bad season in year 4, some will inevitably turn, citing the old VN favorite"told ya so" that is a lifelong tradition of this message board, but even then it will not the entire fanbase.

If he craps the bed again in 25 with Nico as a RS Soph in his 3rd year in the program, then a large majority will turn on him but there will still be some talking about the 22 season.

I think it would take 3 really bad seasons in a row at this point to get the entire fanbase turned against him.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Totally disagree. In the past, when UT fans turned on their coach in year 4, it wa because he was a total jerk and a loser. Not one of the year 4 coaches that crapped the bed won 11 games, beat Saban, or won their bowl game. Way too many firsts to name in that famed season. IMO, the 22 season bought him 5 years minimum. Heck, half the fan base loved butch until halfway thru the 16 season was over. It wasn't nearly the majority of the fanbase until midway through his 5th season, when he essentially left UT no choice but to move on by going 0-fer in the SEC.

If for some reason Heup has a bad season in year 4, some will inevitably turn, citing the old VN favorite"told ya so" that is a lifelong tradition of this message board, but even then it will not the entire fanbase.

If he craps the bed again in 25 with Nico as a RS Soph in his 3rd year in the program, then a large majority will turn on him but there will still be some talking about the 22 season.

I think it would take 3 really bad seasons in a row at this point to get the entire fanbase turned against him.

That is possible but the odds I see, that will not happen.

 

[bluevols27]

Totally disagree. In the past, when UT fans turned on their coach in year 4, it wa because he was a total jerk and a loser. Not one of the year 4 coaches that crapped the bed won 11 games, beat Saban, or won their bowl game. Way too many firsts to name in that famed season. IMO, the 22 season bought him 5 years minimum. Heck, half the fan base loved butch until halfway thru the 16 season was over. It wasn't nearly the majority of the fanbase until midway through his 5th season, when he essentially left UT no choice but to move on by going 0-fer in the SEC.

If for some reason Heup has a bad season in year 4, some will inevitably turn, citing the old VN favorite"told ya so" that is a lifelong tradition of this message board, but even then it will not the entire fanbase.

If he craps the bed again in 25 with Nico as a RS Soph in his 3rd year in the program, then a large majority will turn on him but there will still be some talking about the 22 season.

I think it would take 3 really bad seasons in a row at this point to get the entire fanbase turned against him.

If Heupel has a losing season, NO ONE will care about ‘22.

 

[VOLfrombama]

That is possible but the odds I see, that will not happen.

Nico would have to be a bust along with some catastrophic injuries and other various voodoo curses for it to be remotely possible imo

 

[VOLfrombama]

If Heupel has a losing season, NO ONE will care about ‘22.

totally disagree. You will always have some who bring it up and give him a pass because of it. It was the closest to glory this program has been since 2001.

Besides, if he does, and I don't think he will, It will still be his first losing season ever at UT, so ithat would make it the exception, not the rule.

 

[bluevols27]

totally disagree. You will always have some who bring it up and give him a pass because of it. It was the closest to glory this program has been since 2001.

Besides, if he does, and I don't think he will, It will still be his first losing season ever at UT, so ithat would make it the exception, not the rule.

Okay so if the following hypothetical situation occurs (I don’t care if you do or don’t think it will happen or not):

Chatt:Win
NCST:Loss
KSU:Win
OU:Loss
Arky:Loss
UF:Loss
Bama:Loss
UK:Loss
Miss St:Win
UGA:Loss
UTEP:Win
Vandy:Win

You honestly think that people are going to want to keep him based on ‘22? It’s been a pretty good run for Heupel, but he hasn’t been perfect. If the above plausible scenario occurs, fans will completely turn on him in my opinion.

 

[superdave1984]

Okay so if the following hypothetical situation occurs (I don’t care if you do or don’t think it will happen or not):

Chatt:Win
NCST:Loss
KSU:Win
OU:Loss
Arky:Loss
UF:Loss
Bama:Loss
UK:Loss
Miss St:Win
UGA:Loss
UTEP:Win
Vandy:Win

You honestly think that people are going to want to keep him based on ‘22? It’s been a pretty good run for Heupel, but he hasn’t been perfect. If the above plausible scenario occurs, fans will completely turn on him in my opinion.

There is precedent for firing a coach if he loses to Kentucky, so in your unlikely scenario, he should be fired.

 

[njvols]

If Heupel has a losing season, NO ONE will care about ‘22.

yeah, but you could say that about every SEC coach, except Kirby, who has built in several years of grace.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

You are appropriately named.

Get over the sadness and pain, focus on what we have.

We have a championship-caliber coach. He's not gonna have a losing season. Ever. Ever. At the University of Tennessee.

We will be in the playoffs more years than we'll be out of them. Starting this year. Mark it.

Blue indeed. Get that looked at.

Go Vols!

 

[njvols]

Totally disagree. In the past, when UT fans turned on their coach in year 4, it wa because he was a total jerk and a loser. Not one of the year 4 coaches that crapped the bed won 11 games, beat Saban, or won their bowl game. Way too many firsts to name in that famed season. IMO, the 22 season bought him 5 years minimum. Heck, half the fan base loved butch until halfway thru the 16 season was over. It wasn't nearly the majority of the fanbase until midway through his 5th season, when he essentially left UT no choice but to move on by going 0-fer in the SEC.

If for some reason Heup has a bad season in year 4, some will inevitably turn, citing the old VN favorite"told ya so" that is a lifelong tradition of this message board, but even then it will not the entire fanbase.

If he craps the bed again in 25 with Nico as a RS Soph in his 3rd year in the program, then a large majority will turn on him but there will still be some talking about the 22 season.

I think it would take 3 really bad seasons in a row at this point to get the entire fanbase turned against him.

100%. Any time you have quality and continuity of coaching staff/AD, and you've got a general upwards trajectory, along with several years of legitimate talent build, it's not a guarantee for high level success until you reach elite levels of recruiting, but would say it's definitely protection against everything going to hell in a hand basket... and is a definite plus that we're never going to lose our true OC until we have another head coach, virtually insuring we're always going to have good talent at the most important position on the field.

 

[bluevols27]

You are appropriately named.

Get over the sadness and pain, focus on what we have.

We have a championship-caliber coach. He's not gonna have a losing season. Ever. Ever. At the University of Tennessee.

We will be in the playoffs more years than we'll be out of them. Starting this year. Mark it.

Blue indeed. Get that looked at.

Go Vols!

In ‘15 everyone was sure that Butch was a championship caliber coach. Maybe I’m a little glass half empty when it comes to Vols football, but it’s only because of trauma, and because I honestly feel that we underachieved last year.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Okay so if the following hypothetical situation occurs (I don’t care if you do or don’t think it will happen or not):

Chatt:Win
NCST:Loss
KSU:Win
OU:Loss
Arky:Loss
UF:Loss
Bama:Loss
UK:Loss
Miss St:Win
UGA:Loss
UTEP:Win
Vandy:Win

You honestly think that people are going to want to keep him based on ‘22? It’s been a pretty good run for Heupel, but he hasn’t been perfect. If the above plausible scenario occurs, fans will completely turn on him in my opinion.

You honestly think that he’s getting fired/or the entire fanbase turns on him based on one bad season? not a chance

 

[Voltopia]

Barring some sort of epic collapse, Heupel has at least 3 years before he even needs to be anywhere near a "warm seat" conversation.

And considering his track record of top 10 offenses going back to his first year as a head coach, he's probably not even going to be at risk then.

 

[njvols]

In ‘15 everyone was sure that Butch was a championship caliber coach. Maybe I’m a little glass half empty when it comes to Vols football, but it’s only because of trauma, and because I honestly feel that we underachieved last year.

Not sure I ever thought Butch was a championship caliber coach...but do remember trying to talk myself into thinking he was. The self-inflicted, crushing early losses vs OK and UF never got me giddy about Butch in 2015, even w/ Dob-nail-boot.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

In ‘15 everyone was sure that Butch was a championship caliber coach. Maybe I’m a little glass half empty when it comes to Vols football, but it’s only because of trauma, and because I honestly feel that we underachieved last year.

That you think there might be parallels between Butch and Josh Heupel tells me you're not paying enough attention to Josh Heupel. Dude can coach like no one's business.

You need to recover from BVS, I think.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Nico would have to be a bust along with some catastrophic injuries and other various voodoo curses for it to be remotely possible imo

I still worry about SEC officiating bias favoring Georgia and Alabama

 

[ankh83]

This thread makes me feel as fan base we may be starting to through coaching search withdraws... It has been 4 years since I've read a post about the color of Gruden's tie , or planes being tracked. We have grown accustomed to starting over every couple of years.

If he only won 6 games this year, he would still be our coach the following season. His seat would be warmer!

I think him being here 10-25 years and winning 3+ championships is far more likely.

 

[VOLfrombama]

I still worry about SEC officiating bias favoring Georgia and Alabama

They're always gonna protect their nest eggs. But I do think that if, and it's a giant if, you can make the playoffs, the other conferences' refs will call the games and it will be much more of a fair game.

Just make the playoffs and give yourself a chance.

 

[feathersax]

I am curious about the general undertones regarding Vol fan expectations for Heupel. I saw his speech at Media day, and he seemed to be in good spirits. Year 4 has typically been a sliding doors moment for each of our head coaches (for better or worse). The fan base either completely gets behind you after year 4, or completely turns on you at this juncture in a man’s tenure. It is what it is. Do you expect 9 wins? 95 percent of fans are still in on him as the captain of the ship, but what would it take to substantially shift those numbers?In my opinion, If he went for 7 wins—I think the fans would flip on him. 8 wins and I think it’s a controversy. 9 wins and I think he’s safe. What say you? Agree or disagree?

Too much time on your hands?

 

[TnVol!]

He's going to continue to do well. SEC media days are boring and basically unnecessary.

 

[Rocky Top T]

I say we win 9 this year. I think we will average 8-9 wins going forward

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

Cooper Mays shouting out the Alamo and Tennessee’s statehood over Texas’ was the highlight of the day

 

[Tnman1]

I think Heupel is doing a great job. Only red flags are games like 22 SC and 23 Missouri/FLA. Those games should have been won. If it happens in 24 (lose to somebody we shouldn't) then it's a trend.