Factor Military Duty into Criticism

#52
#52
allvol123 said:
CHANGE.
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Ha!

Good one. Well played.

Listen, I respect you and OE. And as much as we try to rationalize our decisions, sometimes we can't explain them. They're based on deep emotions that we don't know. But once we make that emotional connection (with a person, a candidate, a team, a player, a brand), we fight like crazy to support and defend them.

I like Obama - other than the reasons I've laid out in this and other threads, I just feel right about him. Maybe it's the fact that I think he can masquerade as many different types of people (Arabs, Muslims, African Americans, Whites...) and actually bring people together. Maybe it's because he's smooth as silk. Maybe it's because he's connecting with people despite the fact that his name is BARACK FREAKING HUSSEIN OBAMA.

You guys don't feel the same way. I wish you did - actually, depending on what state you're from, it might not matter. But here in NC, he needs all the votes he can get on May 6. I'll be one of them. And for the first time in my life I'll feel good about this presidential vote.

Over and out.
 
#53
#53
TennNC said:
Sure it does. it's all relative.

Did the fact that Bush dodged the draft multiple times and then made the worst foreign policy decision in US history not tell you plenty about that man? Obviously it didn't matter to a majority of voters in the last election.

I'm telling you that this is the standard now for how I make a decision on how I'm going to vote. I want the person I think can best get us out of this mess and start to restore some frickin' decency.

Regardless of whatever else might be true, including what his pastor says or believes, Obama was publicly and stringently opposed to this war from day 1, and has staked his legacy on his ability to get us out and repair our status in the world. Given where we are right now, that tells me plenty about him.
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That is not true and incrediably short sighted.....
 
#55
#55
TennNC said:
Ha!

Good one. Well played.

Listen, I respect you and OE. And as much as we try to rationalize our decisions, sometimes we can't explain them. They're based on deep emotions that we don't know. But once we make that emotional connection (with a person, a candidate, a team, a player, a brand), we fight like crazy to support and defend them.

I like Obama - other than the reasons I've laid out in this and other threads, I just feel right about him. Maybe it's the fact that I think he can masquerade as many different types of people (Arabs, Muslims, African Americans, Whites...) and actually bring people together. Maybe it's because he's smooth as silk. Maybe it's because he's connecting with people despite the fact that his name is BARACK FREAKING HUSSEIN OBAMA.

You guys don't feel the same way. I wish you did - actually, depending on what state you're from, it might not matter. But here in NC, he needs all the votes he can get on May 6. I'll be one of them. And for the first time in my life I'll feel good about this presidential vote.

Over and out.
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I wish I could feel that way.......

No way I am voting for either pieces of trash from the GOP or DEM.
 
#56
#56
I hate that I am going to have to come in and go against a lot of what has been said in here. I see conscripted service as oppressive and evil. It is the very opposite of liberty and the ability to pursue happiness. Therefore, I have a hard time really taking umbrage against those that used their deferment in order to stay out of the Vietnam War (a proxy war, in which the survival of the United States, as is, was never at risk.)

I also see no problem with someone who used their connections in order to stay out of combat, then sending a force of volunteers to a foreign country to fight a war.

Growing up, I was enthralled with the military (Navy, cough, cough). My childhood dream was to be in the service. There are plenty of service men and women who joined because it is something they have always wanted to do. Forcing somebody into the business that we are in, is not the preferred solution.

I would be extremely uncomfortable, and very inefficient in my task, if I was ever forced to be a sniper or an assassin. Somebody who finds their calling in art, business, engineering, etc. might actually be a detriment to our defense, as a nation, when forced to be a trigger puller.
 
#58
#58
therealUT said:
I hate that I am going to have to come in and go against a lot of what has been said in here. I see conscripted service as oppressive and evil. It is the very opposite of liberty and the ability to pursue happiness. Therefore, I have a hard time really taking umbrage against those that used their deferment in order to stay out of the Vietnam War (a proxy war, in which the survival of the United States, as is, was never at risk.)

I also see no problem with someone who used their connections in order to stay out of combat, then sending a force of volunteers to a foreign country to fight a war.

Growing up, I was enthralled with the military (Navy, cough, cough). My childhood dream was to be in the service. There are plenty of service men and women who joined because it is something they have always wanted to do. Forcing somebody into the business that we are in, is not the preferred solution.

I would be extremely uncomfortable, and very inefficient in my task, if I was ever forced to be a sniper or an assassin. Somebody who finds their calling in art, business, engineering, etc. might actually be a detriment to our defense, as a nation, when forced to be a trigger puller.
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I knew it!

You wanted to be a Marine just like Chesty Puller!

I knew it!
 
#59
#59
The same people that put down Bush for not going to Vietnam (or accusing him of dodging the draft) are eerily quiet when it comes to Clinton... yet I bet they had no qualms about voting for Bill.

As far as Wright goes, he's a racist... period. And it's not just that one soundbyte you refer to, tehre's a whole lot more out there that he's said and done (Honoring Louie F, etc). Look it up. However, as previously stated, Obama is the one running, and this is totally fair to bring this up. He attended the church for 20 years, had Wright as the pastor for his marriage, and let him baptize his kid(s). So it's safe to assume Obama knew what was going on. In addition to that, I question his other connections, such as to the Weather Underground (a domestic terrorist group), and if I'm not mistaken his website was linked to the New Black Panther party website. Not to mention he's to the left of Lenin.

Now as far as Wright goes, I respect him for his service, but that doesn't put him above criticism. End of story. If you say racist comments in this day and age, you will get called out on it.
 
#60
#60
volsforever27 said:
The same people that put down Bush for not going to Vietnam (or accusing him of dodging the draft) are eerily quiet when it comes to Clinton... yet I bet they had no qualms about voting for Bill.
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For the record, I never voted for Clinton, and I voted for Bush in 2000 - and I'm still ashamed and embarrassed of that vote.
 
#61
#61
TennNC said:
For the record, I never voted for Clinton, and I voted for Bush in 2000 - and I'm still ashamed and embarrassed of that vote.
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And that's your right, just like it's my right to disagree with every post you've made in this thread.
 
#62
#62
I would have never voted for Bush but the consequences of letting Gore or Kerry be president was to grave.

This time around there is not to much that seperates any piece of trash....... that is running to POTUS.
 
#64
#64
Clinton did not pretend to be in the armed services of our country. Bush did.

........ Clinton is still an idiot.
 
#65
#65
MontereyVol said:
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The fact that I cannot make out what that is supposed to be, kept me out of the Navy and out of these:
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#67
#67
Red-Green

Lucky for me, the Army was more than generous in providing a waiver for me in 2001. The Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard...not so much.
 
#73
#73
volsforever27 said:
And that's your right, just like it's my right to disagree with every post you've made in this thread.
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That's great. And that's not my point.

My point was that your argument about Clinton voters criticizing Bush but not Clinton doesn't apply to me, as I have criticized both and actually voted for Bush.
 
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