Fall in the recruit rankings......

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BuckeyeVols

BuckeyeVols

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We have went from 4th to 7th this week alone, while only officially "losing" Bruce Irvin. Is this cause for concern at all? UF and Bama (our biggest rivals) have passed us with recent commitments. Any chance we pass them back up, or should be be happy with a top 10 class? I only ask cause I really dont know what to expect (ranking wise) out of this class. Usually highly ranked classes have a lot of skill position guys (especially RB's). At this point, we are set at RB for at least 2 years, our DL class coming in is incredible, and we need OL (who generally arent as "highly ranked" as other positions). Does anyone think our class may fall below expectations ranking wise simply because of the positions we need to fill most with these last 5-6 open spots?
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
We have went from 4th to 7th this week alone, while only officially "losing" Bruce Irvin. Is this cause for concern at all? UF and Bama (our biggest rivals) have passed us with recent commitments. Any chance we pass them back up, or should be be happy with a top 10 class? I only ask cause I really dont know hat to expect (ranking wise) our of this class. Usually highly ranked classes have a lot of skill position guys (especially RB's). At this point, we are set at RB for at least 2 years, our DL class coming in is incredible, and we need OL (who generally arent as "highly ranked" as other positions). Does anyone think our class may fall below expectations ranking wise simply because of the positions we need to fill most with these last 5-6 open spots?
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It's only October, 4 months till signing day.
 
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I think Kiffin is far more concerned with meeting needs rather than ratings,jmho:ermm:
 
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There are still some big "star" guys that we are looking to pull in... but Top 5 class might be only a dream due to amount of OL needed. But Kiffin might still have some 5 stars up his sleeve... you never know!
 
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It's not exactly about stars at this point imo. We need players like lineman. We can worry about that later and let the "services" give out the stars.
 
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Sec is so competetive us bama fla and lsu are going to have top ten classes from here on out in my opinion with auburn and ga possibly in top ten as well. I agree with TNVOLFAN 14 when he says that we have the coaches to develop the players.
 
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Alot of those OL are going to be 4* guys as well.... the rankings are going to work themsleves out. I think everyone is going to be extremly happy come signing day....

I don't see a #1 class. But it will not be very far behind that IMO.
 
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Stars don't matter. The best linebacker we had recruited last year is having to take a redshirt this year because he isn't good enough to crack the rotation over fellow 3 stars Greg King and Nigel Mitchell-Thornton.
 
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Vols033 said:
It's only October, 4 months till signing day.
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I understand totally. I only brought it up because after last year, it seems that most of our fanbase expects to pull a Top 3 class, or they will say this staff of recruiting experts "sucks". With our current needs, I just dont see a Top 5 class being possible. We will most likely end up signing a bunch of 3-4* OL to fill that need instead of 4-5* skill players. I just wanted everyone elses opinion before the "doomsday" people start bashing our recruiting class when the final rankings come out.
 
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Vols033 said:
Stars don't matter. The best linebacker we had recruited last year is having to take a redshirt this year because he isn't good enough to crack the rotation over fellow 3 stars Greg King and Nigel Mitchell-Thornton.
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I wouldnt agree with that at all. For every 2 or 3* recruit that turns into an All-American, there are probably 20 or so 4-5* kids that turn into AA's. It certainly isnt an exact science, but I would much rather take my chances with a class fill of 4-5* guys than 2-3*. All the coaching in the world cant help a kid without the basic physical talent, right?
 
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It is amazing to me that some of you still doubt what this staff is going to do in recruiting....

Listen, We are going to finish extreamly strong. This is going to be the best class that has come to Knoxville since the mid 90's. Just enjoy it....

Also we aren't done raiding other peoples commitment lists. We will lose some and we will gain some but I am postive of one thing. This staff can outrecruit anyone anywhere. That is what they do. They have proven it everywhere they have been. It isn't going to change now. It is the reason they were hired here. I promise you it is going to be fun and you won't be dissapointed....
 
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BuckeyeVols said:
I wouldnt agree with that at all. For every 2 or 3* recruit that turns into an All-American, there are probably 20 or so 4-5* kids that turn into AA's. It certainly isnt an exact science, but I would much rather take my chances with a class fill of 4-5* guys than 2-3*. All the coaching in the world cant help a kid without the basic physical talent, right?
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The only thing that matters is a coaching staff who can properly evaluate and develop the talent. True, 4-5 star guys are great to get, but there are tons of players out there who are great and not highly ranked. Sam Bradford was a 3 star. Calvin Johnson was like the 7th or 8th best receiver in his class. To go along with that, we have had tons of 4 and 5 star bust around here for the better part of the last decade, so i personally don't care what their star rating is, only if they can play.
 
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Way too early yet. Remember last year at this time? Kiffin made a top 10 class with no time and little staff for most of it. I have faith in their recruiting until they prove me wrong.
 
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The last month prior to signing day is when the heat will pick up and that's when the surprises will start appearing.
And I think Irvin will end up signing with us. He's just a little miffed about no one calling him for 3 weeks. I think the guys can make that up and he'll be more than happy to sign with us as to signing with ASU.
 
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utturff49 said:
The last month prior to signing day is when the heat will pick up and that's when the surprises will start appearing.
And I think Irvin will end up signing with us. He's just a little miffed about no one calling him for 3 weeks. I think the guys can make that up and he'll be more than happy to sign with us as to signing with ASU.
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According to all the "experts", Irvin's de-commitment had a lot more to do with not being able to get into UT (or any SEC team) academic wise than it did anything else. I wasnt doubting our staff in any way......just pointing out this class may not be as highly ranked as last years simply because of the hole our previous staff left us in on the O-Line. I have 100% confidence in this staffs talent evaluation skills. I just hope our 2010 class isnt looked down upon just because they had to fill the holes that Fulmer and his bumbling crew left us in (kinda like how they didnt sign a QB worth a crap after Crompton).
 
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no need to worry buckeyevols....we already have a talented class that any vol fan should be ecstatic about. we need to feel that OL void and a few other positions. things seem to be looking bright.

one thing we have on our side is time and i think our staff knows how to manage that pretty well. rankings are a plus, no doubt, but there's no reason to worry if we don't make that final ranking 'everyone' believes is a must to land.

the biggest thing this staff can do is get guys on the field and our previous class has definitely made an impact in that aspect. so expect the same with this class.

you should be feeling good because we are light years ahead of where anyone thought we would be right now.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
no need to worry buckeyevols....we already have a talented class that any vol fan should be ecstatic about. we need to feel that OL void and a few other positions. things seem to be looking bright.

one thing we have on our side is time and i think our staff knows how to manage that pretty well. rankings are a plus, no doubt, but there's no reason to worry if we don't make that final ranking 'everyone' believes is a must to land.

the biggest thing this staff can do is get guys on the field and our previous class has definitely made an impact in that aspect. so expect the same with this class.

you should be feeling good because we are light years ahead of where anyone thought we would be right now.
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I hear ya man, and I totally agree. I was just wanting everyones opinion on IF our class isnt as highly rated as last years when it is all said and done (because of all the OL help we need) if all the Posivols will come out and say "told ya so".
 
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you also have to look at the fact that OL recruits can boost our rankings as well...just all depends on which OL we land.
 
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trevols81 said:
+1 that proves that *ratings dont mean nothing... it's how you DEVELOP the talent!!! which... i have to point out... chavis was great at with lbs
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developing talent is a huge factor in the player, but you also have to consider who is evaluating these kids and the fact that hundreds of kids are evaluated and hundreds are also overlooked.

ratings are important and they do mean a lot, but a lot of it is based on potential and not every 17-18 yr old lives up to that potential.*

*this is true in all aspects of life*
 
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