Fear?????

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thebiglowboski

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Ok we all know he is not playing good at all!! but I want everyones opinion on something!! Lets go back to the start of all this! That would be when ainge hurt his shoulder! Ok his arm strength looks good his accuracy is off! Is fear a factor! If you look at him while he is on the feild he never looks comfortable I mean even if there is a pocket he still scrambles! I mean the facts are he was doing great as a freshman and after a injury he isnt the same. call it fear, scared, or whatever you want but; facts are facts he hasnt been the same something has to be mentally going on!
 
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Know what? I had forgotten that he hadn't played in a game since that fateful day in November of last year... and I think you have an excellent point.

After the shot he took when he threw that stupid sidearm thingamagig out of his own endzone on Monday... he may be even more afraid NOW.
 
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I don't think it is fear of getting hit at all. These guys read the papers, websites and watch ESPN and everything else football related. All he has seen and heard by most in the media is how Clausen is smarter and should start. Then you add in that coach did not call a starter (which is the biggest part imo) and a 19 year old kid can get rattled. I have watched him closely and I think he is trying to play Ricks game instead of his. Not an excuse for him and I think he should not be doin that. The kid is a great ball player and I think he will get his head on and then he will show us all that he is the player we thought he was. I honeslty think he is thinking too much and not letting it flow. Or that is how it appears to me. But I have faith in him. EA will be a UT QB stud!
 
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I completely disagree Beef. That stuff didn't bother him last year when everyone in the media was talking up BS b/c he had such great athletic ability (ala Vick). EA isn't thinking too much, he's not thinking ENOUGH.
 
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Well, for one opinion, the VOLS Radio Broadcast Team said his timing and release were off Mon nite. They also indicated he was releasing the ball wrong as some of his passes were hitting the receivers too high.

I think he has yet to comeback mentally from his injury and the fact he has not played much because of his injury is important. I'm not against him--but I do not think the OL feels comfortable with him yet. He talks the story but is not walking the walk.

Also, IMHO, he's definately not as advanced in LEADERSHIP skills as Clausen. Some of AE throws just look like "throw-ups" and no precision.

I think he's a young gun who's not quite there yet. A little sideline clip-board time, like Clausen, might help him move forward.

If ya want to hear leadership listen to Clausen's postgame interview.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Sep 28, 2005 4:32 PM
I completely disagree Beef.  That stuff didn't bother him last year when everyone in the media was talking up BS b/c he had such great athletic ability (ala Vick).  EA isn't thinking too much, he's not thinking ENOUGH.
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Believe me when I say that to be a qb you have to know and react, not think but flow with the play. If you think to much you will make huge mistakes because you try to do to much. That kid was not scared of being hit in the endzone! He was in the grasp and knew he was getting hit. He was trying to not give up 2. The problem is that he gave up 6 instead. Your thinking happens before the ball is snapped. Once the ball is snapped you have to react.
 
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Originally posted by Arclight@Sep 28, 2005 4:32 PM
Well, for one opinion, the VOLS Radio Broadcast Team said his timing and release were off Mon nite. They also indicated he was releasing the ball wrong as some of his passes were hitting the receivers too high.

I think he has yet to comeback mentally from his injury and the fact he has not played much because of his injury is important. I'm not against him--but I do not think the OL feels comfortable with him yet. He talks the story but is not walking the walk.

Also, IMHO, he's definately not as advanced in LEADERSHIP skills as Clausen. Some of AE throws just look like "throw-ups" and no precision.

I think he's a young gun who's not quite there yet. A little sideline clip-board time, like Clausen, might help him move forward.

If ya want to hear leadership listen to Clausen's postgame interview.
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As far as the sideline clipboard time goes? He will get it. The kid will be fine and I am one VOL fan who is glad to have him. Mark my word, the kid will prove his critics wrong. Go Vols!
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Sep 28, 2005 5:39 PM
... He was trying to not give up 2. The problem is that he gave up 6 instead. Your thinking happens before the ball is snapped. Once the ball is snapped you have to react.
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My point exactly... you have to THINK, when you're IN THE GRASP, you have to give up the two, knowing that anything else is a MISTAKE. Much like the play that got him hurt against ND! THINK... lay down on the ball, take the loss, and don't make the big mistake... instead EA tries to do too much, and winds up getting himself HURT, AND putting the TEAM in a worse position than they were in.
 
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Even when he doesn't have happy feet from nerves, his foot work and delivery are terrible. Someone needs to work with the kid.
 
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Look at his eyes, Look at the way he dances in the pocket, even his body language on the field.
 
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Recievers are not going to admit this but I think Ainge's passes are harder to catch than Clausen's. Look at all the dropped passes in the first half. His velocity and quick release just require so much quicker reaction by the receivers. When Clausen throws the receivers have time to see it coming and make adjustments. Ainge throws and POW it's there and in a big game when your already uptight..well you have seen what has happened. The bottom line, IMO, is that Ainge is shooting his receivers instead of passing to them because he is playing scared.
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Sep 29, 2005 7:51 AM
Recievers are not going to admit this but I think Ainge's passes are harder to catch than Clausen's. Look at all the dropped passes in the first half. His velocity and quick release just require so much quicker reaction by the receivers. When Clausen throws the receivers have time to see it coming and make adjustments. Ainge throws and POW it's there and in a big game when your already uptight..well you have seen what has happened. The bottom line, IMO, is that Ainge is shooting his receivers instead of passing to them because he is playing scared.
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You know TBALL I guess your right. I mean we all know that getting the ball quickly to a WR is not what we want?! Just look at some of the all time great qb's and you have a valid point. I mean suely we would all agree that Favre, Marino and Elway were/are terrible qb's because they REALLY got and get the ball to the WR fast?!
As far as happy feet goes, I remember another UT qb that got a lot of crap about happy feet and he is still getting those comments. I can't remember his name but I think he wore #16 and some people were upset that he didn't get some sort of an award. Can anyone help me with his name?
Look the kid is having a tough time right now. It happens! How many TD's has Peyton thrown in the Colts last two games? I guess Dungy should sit him becaus he:
1. Has a quick release.
2. He has happy feet in the pocket.
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Sep 29, 2005 7:17 AM
Look at his eyes, Look at the way he dances in the pocket, even his body language on the field.
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yes you are right thats what im talking about right there!! I just wanted to know if other people seen what i did!
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Sep 29, 2005 7:51 AM
Recievers are not going to admit this but I think Ainge's passes are harder to catch than Clausen's. Look at all the dropped passes in the first half. His velocity and quick release just require so much quicker reaction by the receivers. When Clausen throws the receivers have time to see it coming and make adjustments. Ainge throws and POW it's there and in a big game when your already uptight..well you have seen what has happened. The bottom line, IMO, is that Ainge is shooting his receivers instead of passing to them because he is playing scared.
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I agree with you on ainge is throwing some balls to hard!! that one to briscoe in the middle way to hard!! But the recievers are not catching the balls also! because think of the balls they droped int the first game that rick threw to them!
 
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I don't know if it's fear. Some of his actions (throwing into coverage, off the back foot, across his body) I saw last year as well. He got away with it more but it was there.

To me, it looks like he is pressing to hard. He's in a slump - happens to many athletes. If it was a simple as fear, I think you'd have seen him throw it away more in the UF game instead of keeping it alive and trying to make something happen.

The coaches need to work with him on his mechanics and help him think beyond one play.
 
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So Beef, is what your saying is that Ainge is not shooting the receivers but the receivers need to be shot for dropping all thier balls? I agree, nothing could be better than to have a stud QB with quick release and a cannon arm...IF you have receivers that stud enough to catch them. If the receivers can't catch the ball they cannot help the team.
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Sep 29, 2005 9:04 AM
So Beef, is what your saying is that Ainge is not shooting the receivers but the receivers need to be shot for dropping all thier balls? I agree, nothing could be better than to have a stud QB with quick release and a cannon arm...IF you have receivers that stud enough to catch them. If the receivers can't catch the ball they cannot help the team.
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Then you work on the WR about catching the passes. We have WR that are considered by many to be some of the top in the nation. They need to catch them, period! I would much rather have a quick release qb with a cannon than one that can't get it there fast enough. A slow or soft pass will lead to picks more often. A qb needs to get the ball to wr's in a sharp crisp manner (fades excluded of course). The wr's job is to make the catch.
Now, EA is not doing that on a consistant basis right now. I think he can and will.
Remember that Peyton got some of these VERY same critiques when he was young. EA is not PM but he is is very good and will be a star.
 
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I'm not really disagreeing with you. I'm obviously not a receiver or a QB. But I wonder if in a receiver's mind, is there a touch on a ball that he prefers or makes a ball mare catchable and does a QB have any responsibility to deliver a ball in a manner more conducive to the receiver catching it beyond just being on target?
 
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Can we do a drill in practice where we improve the WR's ability to catch passes that are 10 feet over their head?
 
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Can we do a drill in practice where we improve the WR's ability to catch passes that are 10 feet over their head?
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Exactly

Those dropped balls that happened in the first couple games were simply just dropped balls. It's not because Ainge has a rocsket arm and a quick release :no: It's because the receivers simply didnt catch them. But that is still no excuse for the way Ainge handles himself in the pocket. He's just not comfortable and that comes from not being prepared mentally for the game. Something has changed in his demeanor from last year. He was a careless gunslinger last season that could make the big throw for big gains. Now that he's been handed the keys to the offense... it's like he's just trying not to wreck. Yall get that?
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Sep 29, 2005 9:27 AM
Then you work on the WR about catching the passes. We have WR that are considered by many to be some of the top in the nation. They need to catch them, period! I would much rather have a quick release qb with a cannon than one that can't get it there fast enough. A slow or soft pass will lead to picks more often. A qb needs to get the ball to wr's in a sharp crisp manner (fades excluded of course). The wr's job is to make the catch.
Now, EA is not doing that on a consistant basis right now. I think he can and will.
Remember that Peyton got some of these VERY same critiques when he was young. EA is not PM but he is is very good and will be a star.
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the only thing i want to reply about is your wrong about a slow or soft pass will lead to picks!!! yes you may be right depends on the qb! you take rick clausen NO!!! ainge as a cannon and he has threw more int. than rick!! You are right but all im saying this is about mental mistakes!
 
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Originally posted by thebiglowboski@Sep 29, 2005 1:24 PM
the only thing i want to reply about is your wrong about a slow or soft pass will lead to picks!!! yes you may be right depends on the qb! you take rick clausen NO!!! ainge as a cannon and he has threw more int. than rick!! You are right but all im saying this is about mental mistakes!
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Short passes (aka UT passing game this year with screens) need zip or they can be a pick 6 very easliy. I know you all remember last year.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Sep 29, 2005 1:56 PM
Short passes (aka UT passing game this year with screens) need zip or they can be a pick 6 very easliy. I know you all remember last year.
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Ainge good not hit a broad side of a barn right now i dont care how much zip it has on it if you cant get it to the recievers than they cant catch it!!!!!!!! Now im not saying our receviers sont need work im just saying It wouldnt matter if anige had a arm like clausens he still wouldnt be able to do what rick is doing!!
 
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when rick is gone and he doesnt need to worry about being benched he will just do what he does best.
 
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That's what I have been saying,Ainge is just not the same kid we saw before he took the big lick in the ND game.I know this kid must have gotten hit a few times in his highschool career(maybe not at a college level)but ya got shake them kind of things off or you will never be productive if your always wondering where that next hit is coming from.
 
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