Feds suing Arizona

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I don't know. Can they overturn it for infringing on federal authority, even if the feds aren't exercising that authority?
 
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IPorange said:
I don't know. Can they overturn it for infringing on federal authority, even if the feds aren't exercising that authority?
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Does it really infringe on federal authority? It seems this law just mirrors federal law.

I literally can't believe this is such a big issue. Illegal immigration doesn't benefit the country at all, and we still have to put up with it because of a bunch of bleeding heart liberals buy into the nonsensical argument that people against illegal immigration are racist.
 
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I really just don't know enough about the legality of state vs. federal jurisdiction. Also, I wonder how fair the judicial body that rules on this will be. Isn't either a state judicial body or federal judicial body kind of going to be biased?
 
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IPorange said:
I really just don't know enough about the legality of state vs. federal jurisdiction. Also, I wonder how fair the judicial body that rules on this will be. Isn't either a state judicial body or federal judicial body kind of going to be biased?
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What if it just ends up at the Supreme Court? What do you think their take on this will be. I'd assume they'd be for it, but I'm not sure.
 
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I believe the Obama administration is completely underestimating the overall public's support of the Arizona law. I am glad they are challenging it.
 
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vols4sure said:
I believe the Obama administration is completely underestimating the overall public's support of the Arizona law. I am glad they are challenging it.
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I don't think for a second that Obama gives a rat's ass what the public thinks here.
 
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IPorange said:
96 % is statistically very unlikely for being even pro-sex. Must be either a small sample size, or someone is spamming it.
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I guess but all the polls I have seen are pretty strongly in favor of it. CBS had more of a scientific poll with 70% supporting it back in May (about 20% of those thinking it didn't go far enough) and 25% thinking it went too far.

I also think the support is only getting stronger due to 1) Feds still refusing to do anything about immigration; 2) the drug situation is either getting worse or more problems with the border are actually being reported (or most likely both); and 3) and people are finally becoming more knowledgeable about the actual language of the law.

Even if Obama doesn't care what the public thinks, he is still underestimating the broad support for Arizona. He also probably thinks he can give a couple speeches and change peoples opinions with his big words and elegant speaking ability. Thankfully most of America isn't buying his crap anymore.
 
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vols4sure said:
I guess but all the polls I have seen are pretty strongly in favor of it. CBS had more of a scientific poll with 70% supporting it back in May (about 20% of those thinking it didn't go far enough) and 25% thinking it went too far.

I also think the support is only getting stronger due to 1) Feds still refusing to do anything about immigration; 2) the drug situation is either getting worse or more problems with the border are actually being reported (or most likely both); and 3) and people are finally becoming more knowledgeable about the actual language of the law.

Even if Obama doesn't care what the public thinks, he is still underestimating the broad support for Arizona. He also probably thinks he can give a couple speeches and change peoples opinions with his big words and elegant speaking ability. Thankfully most of America isn't buying his crap anymore.
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Oh, I am sure support is strong. But there is a big difference from 70 some % and 96 %. 96 % of people can not agree on ANYTHING.
 
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Anybody could see this coming. Barack hasn't passed his "Open Border", "Amnesty" bill yet. And the AZ bill throws fuel on a fire that Obama wishes would die down til he passes his bill.
 
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Why hasn't the federal government filed suit against Missouri which has had exact same law on the books for five years, why are they not suing them now??

Since somewhere between 73 and 96% of Americans are in support of the Arizona law, why doesn't someone compile a list of those who are going to boycott Arizona and boycott those locations, we'll just see who has the economic clout won't we??

As much as I like San Francisco, (if not their politics) i guarantee I won't be spending any money there in the foreseeable future!!!!!

I agree with bigpappa that obambi doesn't give a rat's ass about public opinion, I really think he agrees with his buuthole pal william ayers that I am one of those approximately 25 million Americans who are unreeducatable and would need to be eradicated.

No joke, I think that's where obambi's head is at.

Same goes for that utter POS eric holder.

I don't think there is a chance in hell the Arizona law would be overturned unless someone like Clarence Thomas has a heart attack and obambi can replace him.
(something some leftist dimwitrats have publicly hoped for.)
 
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Just to throw it out there; is there any mechanism where the states can actually sue the federal government for NOT enforcing it's own laws?

Last night I saw a snippet of Obama saying something about AZ and "taking matters into their own hands". If some dudes are busting down my door at 2:00 AM I'm all for having the cops swoop in and arrest them. If the cops aren't there once they come through the door I'm opening fire myself. This is not me taking matters "into my own hands" as much as having matters thrust into my hands. If someone else won't do it then it falls to me. I have to imagine this is how the AZ government feels.
 
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1) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it right.

2) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it constitutional.

3) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it wise.



and.....

4) If you are right and its an obvious slam dunk that the law is totally proper, then you should delight in the administration's challenge to it because it is inevitable that the challenge will be turned down and they will be embarrassed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it right.

2) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it constitutional.

3) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it wise.



and.....

4) If you are right and its an obvious slam dunk that the law is totally proper, then you should delight in the administration's challenge to it because it is inevitable that the challenge will be turned down and they will be embarrassed.
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Agreed.
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I see LG doesn't mention the federal law already on the books. Would love to hear why it's not right, constitutional or wise

#4 is right but it won't matter. They will challenge it, lose and move quickly toward amnesty for all illegals. It will be the biggest Democrat voter drive in history
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it right.

2) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it constitutional.

3) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it wise.



and.....

4) If you are right and its an obvious slam dunk that the law is totally proper, then you should delight in the administration's challenge to it because it is inevitable that the challenge will be turned down and they will be embarrassed.
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Because the courts are always right, and have never gone against the constitution or anything...
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it right.

2) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it constitutional.

3) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it wise.



and.....

4) If you are right and its an obvious slam dunk that the law is totally proper, then you should delight in the administration's challenge to it because it is inevitable that the challenge will be turned down and they will be embarrassed.
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1) Nothing makes it wrong.

2) Nothing makes it unconstitutional.

3) Nothing makes it unwise.

4) How will anyone be embarrassed? This is simply politics and will not be final until Obama is long gone. This simply makes it harder to move forward on a bill that Arizona felt they needed and makes an interim injunction highly likely.
 
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The premise of the suit is that immigration law is the sole province of the Federal Government.

In his immigration speech BO emphasized that we need one Federal approach not each state making their own immigration rules.

So...why aren't they filing suits against sanctuary cities? These laws clearly violate the Federal law. They are completely inconsistent with the law and in direct violation of the rationale underlying the lawsuit and BO's "rationale" for going after AZ.
 
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utvolpj said:
I see LG doesn't mention the federal law already on the books. Would love to hear why it's not right, constitutional or wise

#4 is right but it won't matter. They will challenge it, lose and move quickly toward amnesty for all illegals. It will be the biggest Democrat voter drive in history
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I honestly can't imagine that going over well, but I could be wrong.
 
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