Feds suing Arizona

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4) How will anyone be embarrassed? This is simply politics and will not be final until Obama is long gone. This simply makes it harder to move forward on a bill that Arizona felt they needed and makes an interim injunction highly likely.

I still think this is going to be an embarrassing issue for Obama and his crew (especially if the 2007 Arizona law is deemed constitutional by the Court later this year). Arizona has thrust upon the Obama administration the fact that immigration reform is an absolute must, yet all he is doing is challenging laws enacted by Arizona that the overwhelmingly majority of Americans are in agreement with. Couple that with the fact that he refuses to do anything to protect the border and even more of the American population will recognize exactly what a POS flaming liberal president he truly is.

Obama's poll numbers are in free fall + a strong percentage of the population supporting Arizona and immigration reform + Obama's refusal to do anything but challenge Arizona laws that do exactly what the Feds are supposed to do = embarrassing situation for Obama
 
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I still think this is going to be an embarrassing issue for Obama and his crew (especially if the 2007 Arizona law is deemed constitutional by the Court later this year). Arizona has thrust upon the Obama administration the fact that immigration reform is an absolute must, yet all he is doing is challenging laws enacted by Arizona that the overwhelmingly majority of Americans are in agreement with. Couple that with the fact that he refuses to do anything to protect the border and even more of the American population will recognize exactly what a POS flaming liberal president he truly is.

Obama's poll numbers are in free fall + a strong percentage of the population supporting Arizona and immigration reform + Obama's refusal to do anything but challenge Arizona laws that do exactly what the Feds are supposed to do = embarrassing situation for Obama
but, as VBHAM noted, he's not challenging the actual merit of throwing out illegals. He's simply challenging the law based upon jurisdiction, so he can play semantics should he lose. While it's clear why he is bringing the suit, he can still absolve himself of any true responsibility for trying to sue someone for enacting a law that essentially allows them to enforce the one he has.

If you really get right down to it, he is essentially suing for the right to preclude AZ from enforcing the law he has on his own books.
 
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but, as VBHAM noted, he's not challenging the actual merit of throwing out illegals. He's simply challenging the law based upon jurisdiction, so he can play semantics should he lose. While it's clear why he is bringing the suit, he can still absolve himself of any true responsibility for trying to sue someone for enacting a law that essentially allows them to enforce the one he has.

If you really get right down to it, he is essentially suing for the right to preclude AZ from enforcing the law he has on his own books.

I don't think many Americans will buy that from Obama at all. They will look at it as him simply allowing an open door policy at the border.

The only way he can challenge the Arizona laws on jurisdiction grounds in court while maintaining the support of voters is if there are true signs that he is attempting to enforce the Federal laws (i.e., sending more man power to the border to prevent illegals from crossing the border and to fight the drug cartels and/or constructing an impenetrable wall).
 
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I don't think many Americans will buy that from Obama at all. They will look at it as him simply allowing an open door policy at the border.

The only way he can challenge the Arizona laws on jurisdiction grounds in court while maintaining the support of voters is if there are true signs that he is attempting to enforce the Federal laws (i.e., sending more man power to the border to prevent illegals from crossing the border and to fight the drug cartels and/or constructing an impenetrable wall).

i think obama truly believes he can talk his way out of any policy.
 
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I would imagine that the issue is one of federal preemption. Once we get to Oct/Nov, if that is the argument, all the right wing seccessionist freaks will be protesting this big time as a federal power grab.
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1) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it right.

2) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it constitutional.

3) The fact that a large percentage of Americans, even an overwhelming majority, support the Arizona law, does not make it wise.



and.....

4) If you are right and its an obvious slam dunk that the law is totally proper, then you should delight in the administration's challenge to it because it is inevitable that the challenge will be turned down and they will be embarrassed.

1. It doesn't have to.
2. That really has nothing to do with it.
3. AZ along with the majority of Americans disagree.
4. As far as being embarrassed? They don't really need this to do that.
 
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I would imagine that the issue is one of federal preemption. Once we get to Oct/Nov, if that is the argument, all the right wing seccessionist freaks will be protesting this big time as a federal power grab.
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Absurd.

I didn't hear you mention the black panthers publicly advocating killing whitey and his offspring. Where'd you bury that outrage, which would be more mainstream than the crap you're talking about.
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FOXNews.com - Lawyer Who Defended 'American Taliban' Now Heads DOJ Suit Against Arizona

The federal prosecutor tasked with quarterbacking the Obama administration's high-profile case against Arizona's immigration law is no stranger to controversy or the limelight.

West, the assistant attorney general for the department's Civil Division, once represented "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh, a controversial move that West feared would derail his political ambitions and helped delay his nomination to the department for three months in 2009.

He helped negotiate a 20-year sentence for Lindh, an American citizen who was 21 years old when he was captured in Afghanistan in 2001. Under the deal, Lindh avoided a life sentence by pleading guilty to serving in the Taliban army and carrying weapons, and the government dropped its most serious charges, including conspiracy to kill Americans and engaging in terrorism.

seems like the right man for the job
 
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Nice pick. Should be a solid job for him.
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He has an administration full of such nice picks. (or pricks as the case may be)

The United States Constitution, specifically Article IV, Section 4 in it's entirely states: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

The below quoted from the National Refiew:

It turns out that Rhode Island has long been carrying out the procedures at issue in the Arizona immigration statute: As a matter of routine, RI state police check immigration status at traffic stops whenever there is reasonable suspicion to do so, and they report all illegals to the feds for deportation.

If, as President Obama and Attorney General Holder claim, there is a federal preemption issue, why hasn’t the administration sued Rhode Island already? After all, Rhode Island is actually enforcing these procedures, while the Arizona law hasn’t even gone into effect yet.

Could it be that just this past February, in Estrada v. Rhode Island, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit upheld the Rhode Island procedures, reasoning that, in Muehler v. Mena, the Supreme Court “held that a police officer does not need independent reasonable suspicion to question an individual about her immigration status…”?

So, we have a Justice Department that drops a case it already won against New Black Panthers who are on tape intimidating voters in blatant violation of federal law, but that sues a sovereign state for enacting a statute in support of immigration enforcement practices that have already been upheld by two of the nation’s highest courts. Perfect.


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It was my understanding that states laws could be more strict than Federal laws when dealing with a similar issue. But not visa versa.
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why is it that obama cares about the states interfering with federal enforcement, but he doesn't object to sanctuary cities?
 
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This isn't about law, it's about agenda. The law, in this case, is nothing more than a possible tool to further Obama and his administrations agenda.
 
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This isn't about law, it's about agenda. The law, in this case, is nothing more than a possible tool to further Obama and his administrations agenda.

What agenda??

Congressman John Carter : Press Releases : U.S. Government Pays $23,000 a Month to Mosque of Ft. Hood Shooting Supporter Al-Awlaki

The Virginia mosque of the radical Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, credited as the key link behind the Fort Hood shootings, the Christmas Day underwear bomber, and the Times Square bomber, has been receiving $23,000 a month from the U.S. Census Bureau for rent of an office building the mosque owns in the Washington suburbs.

JEFFHEAD.COM - THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - OBAMA IN HIS OWN WORDS AND THOSE OF HIS ASSOCIATES AND SUPPORTERS

......virtually all of this will not matter to Obama's ardent followers who are not swayed by logic, reason, or truth, ...... regardless of his positions, his gaffes, his past, or his associations. To them he is an idol. But it can make a difference in educating others.
 
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having a hard time connecting the Ft Hood shootings and AZ immigration law. Probably just me though
 
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You know why.

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http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/05/feds-issue-terror-watch-for-texas-mexico-border/

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Those numbers don't reflect those who succeeded in entering the country illegally which may be at least three times the number apprehended.

Nor does it reflect those who have trained in South America in the Spanish language and may have forged documents, operating under cover which were not detected by immigration authorities.

Michelle Malkin The return of Adnan Shukrijumah
 
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having a hard time connecting the Ft Hood shootings and AZ immigration law. Probably just me though

Did you have a problem with kindergarten dot to dot?

The key word was (obamb's) agenda.

Suing Arizona + funneling $25,000 a month to the mosque that sanctioned the Ft Hood muslim murderer are but two blocks in the wall of that agenda.
 
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why is it that obama cares about the states interfering with federal enforcement, but he doesn't object to sanctuary cities?

Gateway Pundit

The Obama administration said this week that there is no reason to sue so-called sanctuary cities for refusing to cooperate with federal authorities, whereas Arizona’s new immigration law was singled out because it “actively interferes” with enforcement.

“There is a big difference between a state or locality saying they are not going to use their resources to enforce a federal law, as so-called sanctuary cities have done, and a state passing its own immigration policy that actively interferes with federal law,” Tracy Schmaler, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., told The Washington Times. “That’s what Arizona did in this case.”

But the author of the 1996 federal law that requires states and localities to cooperate says the administration is misreading it, and says drawing a distinction between sanctuary cities and Arizona is “flimsy justification” for suing the state.

“For the Justice Department to suggest that they won’t take action against those who passively violate the law –who fail to comply with the law — is absurd,” said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee and chief author of the 1996 immigration law. “Will they ignore individuals who fail to pay taxes? Will they ignore banking laws that require disclosure of transactions over $10,000? Of course not.”

BRAVO SIERA!!!!!! Anyone with one eye and half sense that isn't semi-comatose can see that the Arizona law enhances enforcement and santuary cities impede enforcement of federal immigration laws.

Obambo/Holder are promoting anarchy and aiding terrorism, plain and simple.

FOXNews.com - Congresswoman Raises Red Flag on Hezbollah-Cartel Nexus on U.S. Border

Iran-tied terror group Hezbollah may be colluding with drug cartels along the U.S.-Mexico border, a Republican congresswoman warned, calling on Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to establish a special task force to figure out how to "clamp down" on this "national security" threat.

The Lebanon-based group has long-standing and documented ties to South America and its drug gangs, but reports have recently surfaced that it may be expanding its influence to Mexico and the U.S. border.
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She said "Iranian agents and members of Hezbollah" are thought to be learning Spanish in Hugo Chavez-run Venezuela before trying to obtain false documents to enter the United States as purported Mexicans. She said Hezbollah, known for its tunnel-digging skill, could be receiving drug money from cartel operations in exchange for help forging better tunnels across the U.S. border for trafficking.

She said gang members in prisons in the American southwest are starting to show up with tattoos in Farsi, implying a "Persian influence that can likely be traced back to Iran and its proxy army, Hezbollah."
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Myrick cited the opinions and findings of former intelligence officials and others in her detailed letter. One of them was a "high-ranking Mexican Army officer" whom she said believes Hezbollah could be training Mexican drug cartels to make bombs.
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Anthony Placido, assistant administrator for intelligence at the Drug Enforcement Administration, told a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee in March that the "drug and terrorism nexus" is strongest in the region where the borders of Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay meet. He said drugs from this region, which are cheaper than in other hot spots, "can be resold in other countries for large profits desired by those seeking funds to further terrorist activity such as Hezbollah."

He said some drug traffickers in the region have ties to the Lebanese terror group and have since the late 1980s or early 1990s.

"There are numerous reports of cocaine proceeds entering the coffers of Islamic Radical Groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas," he said, calling it "easy revenue" that can be used for terror attacks.
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A 2006 House Homeland Security Committee report further noted that Hezbollah members have already been caught entering the United States via Mexico, suggesting expanded activity. The report cited as one example the case of Mahmoud Youssef Kourani, the brother of a Hezbollah chief, who in 2005 pleaded guilty to providing material support to Hezbollah after being smuggled across the U.S.-Mexico border and settling in Dearborn, Mich.

The report raised red flags about the "dangerous intersection between traditional transnational criminal activities ... and more ominous threats to national security."

Brief for 9 states backs Arizona immigration law - Yahoo! News

States have the authority to enforce immigration laws and protect their borders, Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox said Wednesday in a legal brief on behalf of nine states supporting Arizona's immigration law.

Cox, one of five Republicans running for Michigan governor, said Michigan is the lead state backing Arizona in federal court and is joined by Alabama, Florida, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Virginia, as well as the Northern Mariana Islands.

Twenty Other States Considering Copying Arizona Immigration Law

Ramsey has promised if elected governor he will enact the Arizona law in Tennessee.
 

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