Film Maker Arrested

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milohimself said:
Do you think it's within the purview of the executive branch to administer criminal justice on sovereign territory?
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Does the FBI not track international criminals? I would hope the Justice dept is able to coordinate with the State Dept on little issues like ambassadors being murdered

Edit yes I do as long as Lybia is cool with it
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I'm sure Obama is right on top of it while prepping for the debates. Like a few missed intel briefings mean anything anyway
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He doesn't have to do anything. Intelligent officials are working around the clock to locate them. I don't understand why the people thing the President does everything all by himself.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
He doesn't have to do anything. Intelligent officials are working around the clock to locate them. I don't understand why the people thing the President does everything all by himself.
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He is lacking leadership. He comes off as not caring. These people should be viewed as mini-OBLs yet O can't even call them terrorists. The video of that guy under arrest with his face wrapped up, it looks like more Feds are on that case vs Benghazi
 
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azVolFan said:
I think he could have a great deal of influence. Bush would have (figuratively) held a gun to their heads and told them what to do. Obama is so pathetic, I have no idea.
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Not sure what you're getting at or what you think Obama could do on his own that wouldn't be an executive overreach.
 
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Obama is going the proper route to deal with this issue. He is putting it on the libyan government (who is a brittle government that is just trying to get on their feet) to find the guys and bring them in. We shouldn't go to attack a country, or disgrace their soverignty, that is nearly is one step above anarchy. They need to let their government gain crediability.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
He doesn't have to do anything. Intelligent officials are working around the clock to locate them. I don't understand why the people thing the President does everything all by himself.
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Except bin Laden compound raid. Was his idea, search and plan.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Obama is going the proper route to deal with this issue. He is putting it on the libyan government (who is a brittle government that is just trying to get on their feet) to find the guys and bring them in. We shouldn't go to attack a country, or disgrace their soverignty, that is nearly is one step above anarchy. They need to let their government gain crediability.
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We are not talking about sending in the 101st Airborne. We are talking about sending in some FBI agents with the permission of Lybia. Shouldn't be a big deal, but we have yet to send any.
 
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If a Republican was in office and this guy was arrested like this...Milo would be losing his ****.
 
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milohimself said:
I would assume that's part of the treaty those countries have, but embassies are not foreign soil.
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I am going to have to disagree with this. An attack on an embassy is the same as an attack on that nation. It is that nations territory. That is why people from N. Korea cross over into china then try to run into the Japanese, S. Korean, U.S. embassies. The Chinese place guards in front of the embassies to prevent such actions.
 
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What is the point? I don't care if it is legal or theoretical. An attack on a US embassy is an attack on our sovereignty.
 
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The dang FBI isn't even on the ground yet - 3 dang weeks later. We are not even materially assisting in administering criminal justice.

It begs the question of why the FBI isn't there. Too dangerous? Hmmm, maybe we should have been better prepared on the anniversary of 9/11. Answers not helpful to the current admin? Best to ignore it, have some more fund raisers and the press will move to something Romney said about someone.
 
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milohimself said:
He broke the law, got caught, punished, then broke the law for violating the terms of aforementioned punishment.

Is the OP saying he supports selective law and order?
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lol, you can't tell me this isn't political. how many people break probation and nothing happens to him. Now out of the blue he get's arrested. We are talking about a Justice Department that is sold weapons to drug cartels. It all smells bad.
 
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theFallGuy said:
lol, you can't tell me this isn't political. how many people break probation and nothing happens to him. Now out of the blue he get's arrested. We are talking about a Justice Department that is sold weapons to drug cartels. It all smells bad.
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You don't know what you are talking about. A huge part of any criminal court docket is handling arrests for warrants for violation of probation.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Then why is the equador embassy in britan can keep wikileak founder from U.K. police?
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volmaverick said:
Good ?..if it was their soil, they could just walk in and get him!
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There are many reasons why the British government might respect the government of Ecuador; the Ecuadorian Embassy being Ecuadorian soil is not one of them, because it is not Ecuadorian soil.

On extraterritoriality:
There is a common misconception that Embassies and Consulates have extraterritoriality. As anecdotal evidence of this misconception, people will often say things like, “the US Embassy sits upon United States soil.” For the most part, this is not the case as extraterritoriality is not conferred upon an Embassy or Consulate, but in some situations extraterritoriality may be created by Treaty. That being said, members of diplomatic legations (Ambassadors, Representatives, Consuls, Vice Consuls, Deputy Ambassadors, and Charges D’Affaires) may be accorded extraterritorial status within the foreign state to which they have been accredited. Also, the property of such representatives may have extraterritorial status. For example, an official diplomatic pouch will not be subject to search and seizure by a country other than the country with ownership of the pouch.

These legal rights were created in order to allow diplomatic agents to have the ability to freely conduct correspondence with their home nation. Also, these privileges are generally conferred as a courtesy from one sovereign to another. As a practical matter, “diplomatic immunity” puts the diplomat outside of local law. However, these privileges are usually extended reciprocally and therefore neither state is being accorded inequitable privileges.

Laws and Rules Regarding Extraterritoriality
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lawgator1 said:
You don't know what you are talking about. A huge part of any criminal court docket is handling arrests for warrants for violation of probation.
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Is it normal for a non-violent offender to be carted off by 6 deputies in the middle of the night on a suspision of a probation violation and held without bond? Or would their PO investigate first then violate them?
 
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