Finebaum show

[smokeycoonhoundUT]

Finebaum show is complete garbage.. End of story. I quit listening a few years and I'm much happier for it.

 

[BeattieFeathers]

Mark Richt is a mediocre coaching also ran never has never will get a UGA team into a NC game much less win one. He and UGA are the laughingstock of the entire SEC as what other coach in this conference, other than Vanderbilt, would be allowed to stay on the job >10 years without a NC? The answer is none .. other than Vandy .. heck even Ole Miss and Miss St fire guys who cant get it done ... not UGA, they love mediocre football and coaches. Name one SEC school scared to face a UGA team on a Saturday? Heck Vandy beat 'em at their homecoming just a year or two ago and we had 'em beat and they had Murray on the field for crying out loud. As a Vol fan in the SEC, heck I hope UGA keeps Richt forever, they'll be beatable as long as that clown is still there and without a real shot at an NC, just one we don't have to worry about ..

Dude this is so dumb. Perhaps Uga learned from Our mistakes of firing a hall of famer. Richt will win his share. Nobody fires a coach for not winning a national title. That is laughable.....

 

[daj2576]

I think it is 9-4. Not too shabby.

It's not bad but it's also not proof that Richt is likely to do much more than what he has already done. Richt performs almost exactly to his talent averages. As he has no real upside (beating more teams that he should lose to, than losing to teams he should beat) and his recruiting is stagnant (right around top 2 in SEC east or top 5 in the SEC) he doesn't have the tools either in talent or coaching to win it all, absent insane luck. Another interesting note, going back a couple decades, the average time it takes a coach to win his first national championship is 6 years. Remove Fulmer, Bowden, and Osborne from that list and I believe that number drops to 3.

 

[daj2576]

Dude this is so dumb. Perhaps Uga learned from Our mistakes of firing a hall of famer. Richt will win his share. Nobody fires a coach for not winning a national title. That is laughable.....

I didn't mean to like this.

 

[Boca Vol]

It's not bad but it's also not proof that Richt is likely to do much more than what he has already done. Richt performs almost exactly to his talent averages. As he has no real upside (beating more teams that he should lose to, than losing to teams he should beat) and his recruiting is stagnant (right around top 2 in SEC east or top 5 in the SEC) he doesn't have the tools either in talent or coaching to win it all, absent insane luck. Another interesting note, going back a couple decades, the average time it takes a coach to win his first national championship is 6 years. Remove Fulmer, Bowden, and Osborne from that list and I believe that number drops to 3.

I don't disagree with you. I disagree with the UT fans that make fun if Richt. Richt may never win a national title at UGA but that doesn't mean he won't continue to fare well against UT.

UT fans are like the guys in the soup kitchen line that talk about what they used to have.

 

[daj2576]

I don't disagree with you. I disagree with the UT fans that make fun if Richt. Richt may never win a national title at UGA but that doesn't mean he won't continue to fare well against UT.

UT fans are like the guys in the soup kitchen line that talk about what they used to have.

Mostly agree. But, my point is that what he has done can't be overcome with solid talent and competant coaching. UT has been lacking one or both of those for the totality of Richt's run.

On a side note, the series with UGA is now tied at 20-20. It would be nice to keep us ahead of UGA instead of allowing the last decade to claim our advantage in another series (consider UF, Auburn, and Mizzou all took a series lead against us during the past down decade).

 

[Boca Vol]

Mostly agree. But, my point is that what he has done can't be overcome with solid talent and competant coaching. UT has been lacking one or both of those for the totality of Richt's run.

On a side note, the series with UGA is now tied at 20-20. It would be nice to keep us ahead of UGA instead of allowing the last decade to claim our advantage in another series (consider UF, Auburn, and Mizzou all took a series lead against us during the past down decade).

So are you arguing National Title contention for Richt or beating UT?

Keep in mind UGA was knocking on the door from playing ND in the BCS title game 2 years ago.

 

[Vol knight]

We've been down for the better part of a decade and it's been over a decade since we were any kind of contender. Ask a long time Ole Miss fan how long a once powerhouse program has to be mired in a cycle of turmoil and unsuccessful rebuilds before they have to just admit that they're a bottom feeder. We're a lot closer to bottom feeder than contender these days with nothing but one good recruiting class to pin our hopes of resurgence on.

Just curious, but are you even a vol fan anymore? The whole Auburn avatar is confusing.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Just curious, but are you even a vol fan anymore? The whole Auburn avatar is confusing.

A moderator in the basketball forum changed it because I posted that I'd be more likely to watch a Pearl coached auburn team than Cuonzo coached Vols team. I suppose that person could change it back although I kind of like the sweet irony of it.

 

[JohnnyBall]

He is partly correct!!! Remember when we recruited well but couldn't get past "O Bama"? Well, once "O Bama" experienced their NCAA issues and a revolving door for coaches, we rose to the top and won.

Once they were off of probation and Saban arrived we lost to them again.

Same with Florida! In past years, Pre-Spurrier, we beat Florida like a drum. Then they rose and we started to lose to them regularly.

We need to get good and sit back in the 3rd or 4th position on the S.E.C. and when the top 2 teams, slip, then we are already in striking distance to reach # 1.

All of the S.E.C. teams have improved in the coaching department since the late 1990's & early 2000's.

In NBA basketball, the Celtics dominated the East. Detroit was in striking distance but couldn't make the jump. Then injuries hit the Celtics and the Pistons passed the Celtics.

The Bulls couldn't get past the Pistons but after two championships, the Bulls finally got past the Pistons to become the "Beast from the East"

The Knicks got past the Bulls during the time that Jordan was playing baseball but once he returned the Knicks fell to 2nd place in the East again.

We just need to improve and sit tight until the top teams slip up with a coaching change, injuries, a lack of recruiting, major losses due to the NFL or NCAA sanctions.

We just need to get within striking distance.

Has Tennessee? Id take what we had in 1998-2004 over any changes.The changes became inevitable when we whistled away in 2005 living off of the previous 10 years.

 

[golfballs]

Worst thing for us was Bredesen appointing left wing political hacks to the UTBOT who then rerouted the UTAD'S surplus to fund ridiculous garbage academic programs that would otherwise have fallen victim to budget cuts. That was the money that would've gotten us A list coaches for the two premiere men's sports. You think Bama, AU, UF, LSU, or even UGA would stand for that? We got hosed and the same people are still calling shots.

AMEN! Stupid academics! Who needs em??

 

[MWAVolfan]

Don't know how to properly spell his name and that's beside the point. Coming back from my lunch hour he had a guest on and according to him Tn football will not be like it was in the 90's until the coaching of member SEC schools declines. Said the worst thing that could have happened to UT and USC was expansion of SEC.

This is just re-treaded commentary. Pretty much the same thing was written on ESPN a day or two ago.

Basically the idea is that Tennessee wont be a contender until other coaches leave/retire from other SEC schools.

 

[knoxvols11]

Dude this is so dumb. Perhaps Uga learned from Our mistakes of firing a hall of famer. Richt will win his share. Nobody fires a coach for not winning a national title. That is laughable.....

You do if you should have won two or three of them! And, you do if said Hall of Famer ran the program into the ground. For their sake, if Richt declines down hill, maybe they'll have the same sense!

 

[daj2576]

So are you arguing National Title contention for Richt or beating UT?

Keep in mind UGA was knocking on the door from playing ND in the BCS title game 2 years ago.

Eh, close calls don't count. It's like trying to convince fans that it doesn't matter if you lose by 2 or 50, it's still a loss. At least in my view (same thing with the inverse).

While I am not sure I totally understand your question, all I am saying is that it is VERY very VERY unlikely that Richt ever wins a national championship. He has the talent to compete for it, but the numbers indicate two things, 1) he doesn't seem to get more out of his talent than talent alone would predict (his talent isn't good enough to rely on it alone to win it all, in other words he can't coach like Saban), and 2) the historical numbers tend to show that with very few exceptions, if Richt hasn't won a title by now, it is very unlikely that he ever will.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Worst thing for us was Bredesen appointing left wing political hacks to the UTBOT who then rerouted the UTAD'S surplus to fund ridiculous garbage academic programs that would otherwise have fallen victim to budget cuts. That was the money that would've gotten us A list coaches for the two premiere men's sports. You think Bama, AU, UF, LSU, or even UGA would stand for that? We got hosed and the same people are still calling shots.

As much as I love UT athletics, particularly football, you are missing the big picture when it comes to Bredesen's shortcomings. He supported funding for Board of Regents schools (MTSU, ETSU, etc.) within the Volunteer State at the expense of the land grant, flagship university of this state. His policies are directly responsible for setting in motion a long-term trend of double-digit tuition increases for University of Tennessee students. In terms of academic reputation, UT has always been a middle-of-the-pack state university, but it used to be an exceptional bargain as institutions of higher education go. We can no longer claim that distinction.

For someone with a degree in physics from Harvard, Bredesen was no supporter of higher education.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Eh, close calls don't count. It's like trying to convince fans that it doesn't matter if you lose by 2 or 50, it's still a loss. At least in my view (same thing with the inverse).

While I am not sure I totally understand your question, all I am saying is that it is VERY very VERY unlikely that Richt ever wins a national championship. He has the talent to compete for it, but the numbers indicate two things, 1) he doesn't seem to get more out of his talent than talent alone would predict (his talent isn't good enough to rely on it alone to win it all, in other words he can't coach like Saban), and 2) the historical numbers tend to show that with very few exceptions, if Richt hasn't won a title by now, it is very unlikely that he ever will.

Tom Osborne didn't win a NC until year 22 of his 25 year career. Most of that time his teams were OU's whipping boy. He ended up with 3 NCs
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[99gator]

in the "decade of dominance", tennessee was 5-4-1 vs. alabama and 3-7 vs. florida.

the irony of the criticism of richt is the main difference in tennessee's schedule is mark richt making georgia a legit sec team as well as spurrier making south carolina a legit sec team.

 

[terrypedigo]

All I can say about him is:the_finger:

 

[BowlBrother85]

in the "decade of dominance", tennessee was 5-4-1 vs. alabama and 3-7 vs. florida.

the irony of the criticism of richt is the main difference in tennessee's schedule is mark richt making georgia a legit sec team as well as spurrier making south carolina a legit sec team.

Again, I will say that South Carolina is not a long term threat to Tennessee. They have only ever beaten Tennessee when we are bad and can't even always beat us when we're bad. You can say the same thing about Georgia under Richt with only a few exceptions (2001, 2003)....I don't think the people pushing this narrative have a clue what is going on in recruiting right now. Tennessee has the resources to recruit as well as anyone and I don't want to hear a word about the recruiting base bs. There is a load of talent within a 250 mile radius of Knoxville. Your base doesn't stop at your border as these idiots seem to think.

 

[knoxvols11]

Is Ritch any better than Donnan and Golf? Historically, GA should be as good as Fla and Fla St. and Miami.

 

[Boca Vol]

Again, I will say that South Carolina is not a long term threat to Tennessee. They have only ever beaten Tennessee when we are bad and can't even always beat us when we're bad. You can say the same thing about Georgia under Richt with only a few exceptions (2001, 2003)....I don't think the people pushing this narrative have a clue what is going on in recruiting right now. Tennessee has the resources to recruit as well as anyone and I don't want to hear a word about the recruiting base bs. There is a load of talent within a 250 mile radius of Knoxville. Your base doesn't stop at your border as these idiots seem to think.

What difference does it make if they're a long-term threat or a short-term threat to UT? You almost need to go undefeated in your division to play in the SEC CG. If USCjr is only a short-term threat then what are UGA and UF?

UT has some ground to make up and needs to learn how to win the "must-win" games. This recruiting class is a great start but it has to produce on the field.

 

[Remy]

So are you arguing National Title contention for Richt or beating UT?

Keep in mind UGA was knocking on the door from playing ND in the BCS title game 2 years ago.

Right has made a mediocre career for himself at "knocking on the door" of big games and going down in flames. What a freakin' joke. Are we supposed to get credit for "knocking on the door" for beating Bammer when Mountain Cody burst through the middle? GMAFB knocking on the door IMO is the same as " moral victories" ... you'll not find them recorded in the record books other than losses. Richt is a good coach just year in year out he's not going to be a serious contender for a NC. UGA has obviously settled and is fine with having that kind of program. UT is not ever gonna be satisfied with that mediocrity, if you can't be moving toward titles you need to move down I40 somewhere.

 

[Boca Vol]

Right has made a mediocre career for himself at "knocking on the door" of big games and going down in flames. What a freakin' joke. Are we supposed to get credit for "knocking on the door" for beating Bammer when Mountain Cody burst through the middle? GMAFB knocking on the door IMO is the same as " moral victories" ... you'll not find them recorded in the record books other than losses. Richt is a good coach just year in year out he's not going to be a serious contender for a NC. UGA has obviously settled and is fine with having that kind of program. UT is not ever gonna be satisfied with that mediocrity, if you can't be moving toward titles you need to move down I40 somewhere.

Have you seen what UT has put on the field for most of this century? UT fans are dreaming of a 6-6 season and third-tier sh&tty bowl game. Hell, nearly 67% of people on here said Butch did a great job by going 5-7 last season (for a link see Oregon's thread/poll)!

I'd say we've settled in to accepting mediocrity as an upgrade to where we've been recently.

 

[daj2576]

Tom Osborne didn't win a NC until year 22 of his 25 year career. Most of that time his teams were OU's whipping boy. He ended up with 3 NCs
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You have pointed out an exception to the rule. The rule, including the exception, is that the vast majority of coaches who win a national championship (at least going back to around 1990) do so in the first 6 years. If you remove Bowden and Osborne from that list you end up with an average of about 3 years, if memory serves.

I wrote this almost a year ago to the day:
If I Bleed Orange, I'm Bled Out: 6 years to a championship.

 

[daj2576]

Have you seen what UT has put on the field for most of this century? UT fans are dreaming of a 6-6 season and third-tier sh&tty bowl game. Hell, nearly 67% of people on here said Butch did a great job by going 5-7 last season (for a link see Oregon's thread/poll)!

I'd say we've settled in to accepting mediocrity as an upgrade to where we've been recently.

I used to be able to run 5-10 miles a day.

I took a break for a few years (almost a decade), and now I can barely manage to run 2-3.

It isn't that I am accepting that I am out of shape, it is that I am actively trying to do something about it. That means that I have to appreciate the milestones that come between barely being able to run to my refrigerator, to running the distance that I want.

Being happy that I can run a tiny bit farther today than I could yesterday is good, and it motivates me to run farther tomorrow.

I doubt I would be able to endure the pain of the process if all I saw is how far I am from running 10 miles a day. There isn't a way to speed up the process substantially; I have to put in the work, get back in shape, lose weight, eat better, drink more water, and endure the soreness in the meantime. I can tell anyone I want that I used to be able to run a half marathon on a whim, but that doesn't change the fact that I can't do it now.

So, using that illustration, while I believe that we under-performed by 2 games under Jones (Mizzou and Vandy), I also saw some improvement that I haven't seen in several years (we cut the under-performance we have seen recently in half) and we beat a ranked team since God-knows-when. So while the end results from 2012-2013 don't look dissimilar, the substance of the results do. Improvement wasn't visible to those who see how short we are of running the marathon, but they are to those who see that we were better off than we were last year although we didn't run any farther.

I believe this point is illustrated with charts/graphs and figures here: If I Bleed Orange, I'm Bled Out: Maybe next year (a season wrap).