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RDU VOL#14 said:
And we lost to both of you....The East just sucks, other than UGA.
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Georgia is taking advantage of the weak east

Same thing Florida did the previous 2 years

Something Butch couldn't do

I would not judge the potential greatness of Georgia yet. They really haven't played anyone of substance
 
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CountVolcula said:
Georgia is taking advantage of the weak east

Same thing Florida did the previous 2 years

Something Butch couldn't do

I would not judge the potential greatness of Georgia yet. They really haven't played anyone of substance
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UGA is head and shoulders better than the last seven teams to represent the SEC East in Atlanta.

Their defense is elite, they have two tailbacks who should be playing on Sundays, and their offense rarely turns the ball over.

UGA is legit.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Georgia is taking advantage of the weak east

Same thing Florida did the previous 2 years

Something Butch couldn't do

I would not judge the potential greatness of Georgia yet. They really haven't played anyone of substance
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Except they have, they won at Notre Dame, who just happens to #3 right now.

UGA is nothing like UF the past 2 years.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
UGA is head and shoulders better than the last seven teams to represent the SEC East in Atlanta.

Their defense is elite, they have two tailbacks who should be playing on Sundays, and their offense rarely turns the ball over.

UGA is legit.
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That 2012 UGA squad was pretty good too. Which they would've played Notre Dame for the title and Mark Richt would still be coach.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I know our program’s not in the best state to be saying anything, but this is a bit of a humorous outcome for a rival school (especially with the current state of the opponent they played).
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It's always going to put a smile on a Vol fan when Florida is getting beaten by a solid margin. Then reality sets in that UT's next opponent is the team that just thumped Florida.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
UGA is head and shoulders better than the last seven teams to represent the SEC East in Atlanta.

Their defense is elite, they have two tailbacks who should be playing on Sundays, and their offense rarely turns the ball over.

UGA is legit.
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I still say they won't beat Alabama because they don't run a spread/zone read-type of offense.

A conventional offense with a dropback QB hasn't beaten Alabama since 2011.
 
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05_never_again said:
I still say they won't beat Alabama because they don't run a spread/zone read-type of offense.

A conventional offense with a dropback QB hasn't beaten Alabama since 2011.
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How many teams actually play a pro-style or other type offense anymore? Most of the teams are playing some type of spread or read option type offense, generally speaking. I think without some type of power running game your chance of success is very limited, you don't need 300 yards rushing but you need something to keep it honest and short yardage situations. The QB/WR have to make the defense pay for playing that type of defense. The Oklahoma/Bama game in 2013 was a prime example of that - Trevor Knight kept making them pay for playing that type of defense. Now Oklahoma didn't have any big runs but they were still mixing in the yardage... those 81 yards rushing meant to keep the defense honest.

I felt the LSU game was prime example of that... the rest of the team pretty much outplayed Bama (other than Bama has a real good punter) but LSU's QB/WR didn't make the plays... makeable plays to make Bama pay for playing that type of defense.

Does LSU play a spread, not really, they have some option stuff in there with the jet sweep and but nothing I would says spread and I thought the game came down to 4-6 plays where QB/WR were off by a foot or so... in a normal dropback or fake run situation. The QB has to make those plays and the WR has to catch them. I didn't feel like it was the type of offense LSU was playing, it was the final execution and they were basically unforced errors. The QB/WRs have to bring the A game and simply didn't get it done. Bama is going to force the QB to play a good game or your chances of success are near zero. imo

Don't take that to mean I think you can drop your QB into a 7 step drop every down though. You have to mix it up, some option, some type of WR screen or jet sweeps, etc. But I don't think you have to spread it 4 wide every down.

This is a very beatable Bama, good QB could cause havoc for them in the playoffs.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
How many teams actually play a pro-style or other type offense anymore?
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Not many, but Georgia is one of them.

Since 2011, it is basically a requirement that you have to have a dynamic, mobile QB who plays a perfect or near-perfect game in order to beat Alabama. Fromm has been really good for Georgia this year, but he isn't really asked to do anything big. He doesn't make mistakes, which is a great trait for a QB to have, but that alone isn't good enough against Alabama.

Georgia will not beat Alabama if Fromm throws 10-12 passes and they run the ball 75% of the time. Alabama forces the QB to make plays with both his arms and his legs and extend plays that break down.

I think Auburn actually has a better chance of beating Alabama than Georgia does even though Georgia is a better team.
 
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05_never_again said:
Georgia will not beat Alabama if Fromm throws 10-12 passes and they run the ball 75% of the time.
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I felt like the LSU game was a prime example, now you might say they lost by 14 points, and that is true but the difference in the game was about 4-7 unforced errors by the QB/WRs, we're not talking incredible plays or anything - just normal pitch and catch kind of things. Danny actually had more time to throw the ball than any time this year - it was actually kind of crazy to watch as I wasn't expecting him to have that much time.

Does the spread and maybe a running type of QB help - it can but at some point you have to hit some guys and they have to catch. I don't think LSU lost because of the type of offense they played, I actually think their offense by and far worked - the QB and the WRs just didn't make the pitch and catches to get the payoffs.

They force the QB to play a real good game - Danny just isn't real good. :) He's okayish.

There is very few teams really running pro style offense I still believe that is core of what LSU is doing, Georgia, Sanford, Wisconsin (at least when I saw them last), and some other teams in the midwest.

The QB has to be playing grade A ball, type of offense I don't think matters necessarily - of course mixing things up and not making the QB sitting target does help. I felt what LSU called, by and far worked - at some point someone has to make a pitch and catch - Danny didn't get it done nor the WRs. Canada actually called a great game, it was a winnable game, imo. I didn't feel like LSU had to go to 4+ WRs set to get Bama off balance - they did do other things jet sweep, a little wildcat stuff, inside pitches, etc.

Danny and the WRs simply left very makeable plays on the field and with it about 18 points.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The QB has to be playing grade A ball, type of offense I don't think matters necessarily - of course mixing things up and not making the QB sitting target does help.
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It's basically a requirement to beat Alabama. And if anybody knows anything about beating Alabama with non-dynamic QB play it's LSU, since you guys are the last team to do it, so it stands to reason that you played OK against Alabama with limited QB play.

Here are the QBs who have beaten Alabama since 2008:

Tim Tebow
Brian Johnson (not a superstar or prolific runner, but ran a spread offense and could move the pocket)
Stephen Garcia (not a superstar, and didn't run the spread, but was mobile)
Jordan Jefferson in 2010 (exception to the rule)
Cam Newton
Jordan Jefferson/Jarrett Lee in 2011 (exception to the rule)
Johnny Manziel
Nick Marshall
Trevor Knight (not a prolific runner, but mobile and moved the pocket)
Chad Kelly (2x)
Cardale Jones (not a prolific runner but could move the pocket and scramble when he had to)
Deshaun Watson

Most of those guys are running QBs in spread offenses. If they didn't run spread offenses, the QBs themselves were mobile. The only team to beat a team with non-dynamic QBs in a conventional offense is LSU in 2010 and 2011. Truly remarkable. Unfortunately for Georgia, I don't think they match up well scheme-wise against Alabama.
 
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05_never_again said:
beating Alabama with non-dynamic QB play it's LSU, since you guys are the last team to do it, so it stands to reason that you played OK against Alabama with limited QB play. Unfortunately for Georgia, I don't think they match up well scheme-wise against Alabama.
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Yes, because that is what most of the teams have running QBs in today's world so the chances of Alabama getting beat by a pure pro-style QB is basically maybe once a year... maybe... than you put those good pro-style QBs on a team with a bad defense... well, the chance are even smaller.

I'm not sure Georgia matches up or not (I have really watched them much at all), I just don't necessarily believe its based on the core offense scheme, put Fromm on LSU this last week I actually think it could have been a blow out the other way.

Does the QB have to have a good game, absolutely, not sure I think it matters if the QB can run that can help but there are alot of factors to consider as well.

I don't think LSU actually matches up well with Bama this year, :) Bama is very beatable - I am not saying they will but very beatable. Again, I think you are confusing my comments to mean I think its wise for a team to set a QB up every down into a 7-step drop. You have to mix it up and throw something in there 2-4 times a series to throw them off. I didn't feel like the type of offense LSU runs was the problem, execution was the clear problem - unforced errors. If they were forced I would all about what you are saying but most of them were just unforced.

Does the QB need to play a good, if not great game? Absolutely. Danny just isn't quite that, and that was the difference in the game... not necessarily the style of play, by and far what LSU did worked - they couldn't execute on the money ball either the QB or the WR failed on very makeable plays. LSU didn't lose because of the offensive scheme, they failed to make complete makeable pitch and catches... Danny is okayish... if he was good on Saturday I think LSU would have won by quite a lot.

Bama is going to force the QB to play a real good game, on that I think we can agree.
 
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Never_said,

Without attempting to delay the thread too much further. I actually agree with your premise on some levels, meaning if you have a good QB that can run and pass that in theory could improve your chances - I mean duh. I get exactly what you are saying, it removes the pressure from the QB and gives the defensive something else to think about. I completely agree, it can improve your chance.

Let me tell you what has very little chance of successes - LSU run pitch dive to the left, run pitch dive to right, and than 3rd and long and go play action pass against Bama. That was the Les game plan. :crazy: I am not necessarily sure you need a great running QB but you do need something to take some of the pressure off the QB and to a certain degree the RBs. I mean, what LSU was doing was forcing RBs to battle 2-3 guys at the point of attack against Bama in years past.

I am not sure what Georgia is doing these days, I have seen a few plays but that is about it. I think, if you are going to run a pro-style offense, you can, and I think you can be successful, but being predictable against Alabama or any good SEC defensive team is more or less a recipe for disaster. If Georgia puts him a in 7-step drop after drop and doesn't dominate the line, well, its going to be a very long night.

I was very much in doubt that what Canada would bring would work in the SEC, despite only scoring 10 points I actually think it worked. Meaning, LSU is pretty much running the same offense, more or less a pro-set but there are things in there to help distract the defenders and make things less obvious. I felt like Danny didn't need to be a better runner, he needed to be a better passer. :) The problem is, he is just an okay pro-style passer with very limited arm strength. He's a good kid that plays hard and that is worth something, it just isn't worth much when you play Bama.

I do agree that its a mistake to just have a pro-style QB sitting back there on 3rd and long.... I actually feel what LSU was doing is/was doing is taking the pressure off the QB and the RBs. If Danny was a good pro-style QB that might have been a disaster for Bama, Danny isn't good. The guys you listed were good, it doesn't matter if they can run or not, they were good - Danny is okayish, maybe. :) I think Canada has shown that some of this can work, I want to see how this works out the rest of the year - if they go get the job done, I think LSU might have something than can work with but they have to find a QB.

I actually agree what with you are saying but I think it depends on what Georgia calls and what their total offense is - either way the QB is going to have to play a good game to win. I don't think this is the same Bama team though - the one thing they are not doing though is making mistake.

:hi:
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I am not sure what Georgia is doing these days, I have seen a few plays but that is about it. I think, if you are going to run a pro-style offense, you can, and I think you can be successful, but being predictable against Alabama or any good SEC defensive team is more or less a recipe for disaster.
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It's a very vanilla but well-executed pro-style offense that runs the ball 75-80% of the time. Fromm has only thrown 20+ passes 3 times all year.

In order to beat Alabama, Fromm is going to have to make plays throwing the ball down the field. He's a true freshman, hasn't played a defense that can confuse him like Alabama's can, and hasn't really been asked to put a team on his back and win a game. Alabama basically requires QBs to do that in order to beat them. Fromm hasn't made many mistakes and he hasn't been put in very many spots where he can make them; that's good coaching. But I'm not sure he is going to be able to beat Alabama's secondary, and Georgia's offense, although its has performed great, doesn't stretch the field. That's not their MO, and Fromm isn't mobile enough to move the pocket and extend plays when they break down.

I think and hope that Georgia will give them a great game if/when they do play. I definitely think Alabama will have trouble scoring points against Georgia's defense. But the difference in the game, unfortunately, might be Fromm not being able to make enough plays to beat Alabama's defense. I don't think they'll be able to run Chubb and Michel right at them and steamroll Alabama's front seven like they've been doing to everyone else.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
UGA is head and shoulders better than the last seven teams to represent the SEC East in Atlanta.

Their defense is elite, they have two tailbacks who should be playing on Sundays, and their offense rarely turns the ball over.

UGA is legit.
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Georgia is a junior/senior laden team that had probably the best stable of backs in the country. They're literally playing Alabama football for Saban's first 7-8 years. Make sure the QB doesn't get you beat, line up and pound the rock down your throat...then play great D. Can they beat Bama??? Only time will tell but as of right now, they're the only team I see having a legit shot

On a different note, how'd you like to be Jacob Eason. This is probably the best Georgia team he'll ever play on and he gets hurt and is now watching a true freshman take his spot. Sucks for that kid
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Georgia is a junior/senior laden team that had probably the best stable of backs in the country. They're literally playing Alabama football for Saban's first 7-8 years. Make sure the QB doesn't get you beat, line up and pound the rock down your throat...then play great D. Can they beat Bama??? Only time will tell but as of right now, they're the only team I see having a legit shot

On a different note, how'd you like to be Jacob Eason. This is probably the best Georgia team he'll ever play on and he gets hurt and is now watching a true freshman take his spot. Sucks for that kid
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Ole Miss grows solid QBs on trees. I mean I thought Jordan Ta'amu was better than Shea during the LSU game when he got hurt. smh
 
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Sin City Vol said:
On a different note, how'd you like to be Jacob Eason. This is probably the best Georgia team he'll ever play on and he gets hurt and is now watching a true freshman take his spot. Sucks for that kid
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Watch Eason end up at UW and Chris Peterson. That could be a Heisman trophy marriage. Eason is outstanding, with probably one of the best, if not best arms in the country.
 
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