Florida game: Impact on season?

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jakez4ut said:
I'd take all that right now and not play another down....:)

although, if we win 11 games, and we only lose to, i assume LSU, and say Auburn in the SEC title game...BCS could be possible...

10 win regular season would definitely say we're back imo.
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you assume too much, LSU and Auburn are good teams but we can be just as good, so whos to say they can beat us
 
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Playing against an option a defense needs speed and dicipline. The speed allows you to cut off the angles and dicipline allows you to take away the misdirection and back door plays.
 
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TennVols423 said:
you assume too much, LSU and Auburn are good teams but we can be just as good, so whos to say they can beat us
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i think it's safe to say that on paper, both Auburn and LSU are currenlty better than TN....other wise we'd be ranked ahead of them both, which we are not.

we will not go undefeated, in fact i see at least two losses this season.
 
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TennVols423 said:
you assume too much, LSU and Auburn are good teams but we can be just as good, so whos to say they can beat us
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Here is my prediction for the SEC:
LSU: 9-0 SEC Champs (skipped over for BCS NC, plays in Sugar Bowl)
AUB: 7-1 (plays in Citrus Bowl)
UT: 7-2 SEC E Champs (Cotton Bowl)
UF: 6-3 (Peach Bowl)
UGA: 6-3
BAMA: 5-4
 
#30
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jakez4ut said:
i think it's safe to say that on paper, both Auburn and LSU are currenlty better than TN....other wise we'd be ranked ahead of them both, which we are not.

we will not go undefeated, in fact i see at least two losses this season.
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Be prepared to now be accused of not being a "real" fan. :whistling:
 
#31
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jakez4ut said:
it's kind of funny, but if you think about it, TN and UF followed similar paths to the NT...

95 UF gets blasted by Neb in Fiesta, 96 UF defeats FSU for NT
97 UT gets blasted by Neb in Orange, 98, UT defeats FSU for NT...weird.
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I knew each of those things but had never put them together before. Very Twilight Zone-ish of you to tie all that together.

tidwell said:
Not to mention the success the Vols defense had last week against an option-like attack... :wacko:
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Don't sweatit, we aren't running much of it, at all. My guess would be no more than three times. We just haven't been practicing or running it, from what I can see.

jakez4ut said:
and good open feild tackling...hate to say it, cause it's so cliche, but you also need to play your assignments...there were a lot of blown assignments in that game where the back side was completely open in the 1st half...they made some adjustments in the 2nd half and were moderately successful....they did get some pursuit down the line of scrimmage, and the cut back was taken away for the most part...
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On the drive in to work this morning, my thoughts turned exactrly to that -- open field tackling. In years past, that was a HUGE problem for the Gator defense. And I attirbute a lot of that to the toughness issue we have been discussing. I have noticed this year's defense seems intent on wrapping people up and bringing them down. But that was not against the better backs and receviers of UT.

I have a feeling one of us come late Saturday night will be on here bemoaning the fact that our team just didn't tackle well and that it was the difference in the outcoming. No offense, but I hope the honor of making that claim belongs to you!!!
 
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therealUT said:
Here is my prediction for the SEC:
LSU: 9-0 SEC Champs (skipped over for BCS NC, plays in Sugar Bowl)
AUB: 7-1 (plays in Citrus Bowl)
UT: 7-2 SEC E Champs (Cotton Bowl)
UF: 6-3 (Peach Bowl)
UGA: 6-3
BAMA: 5-4
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very possible...though if Auburn's only loss is in the SEC Championship game (i guess they lose to LSU in reg. season) they could get a BCS bid...and i think if LSU is undefeated, they go to the NT game...this year the SEC has plenty of respect from a strength of schedule stand point, and if they were to beat UF, UT, AUburn, BAma....and UT/UF/UGA in the SEC CG...it's likely they get in....

i just can't see an SEC team, this year, going undefeated and not getting in the Fiesta Bowl...
 
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lawgator1 said:
I knew each of those things but had never put them together before. Very Twilight Zone-ish of you to tie all that together.


I have noticed this year's defense seems intent on wrapping people up and bringing them down. But that was not against the better backs and receviers of UT.

I have a feeling one of us come late Saturday night will be on here bemoaning the fact that our team just didn't tackle well and that it was the difference in the outcoming. No offense, but I hope the honor of making that claim belongs to you!!!
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1. I talked to someone about that some time ago...and have always thought that was really strange...it was like both teams learned their lessons from Neb and took it out on FSU...very weird.
2. YOur getting smarter LG...though i don't see us breaking 5 yard outs for 50 yard TD runs against UF's secondary...i think the tackling will be much better than it was in the Cal game.
3. No offense taken, cause i feel the same way....
 
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jakez4ut said:
very possible...though if Auburn's only loss is in the SEC Championship game (i guess they lose to LSU in reg. season) they could get a BCS bid...and i think if LSU is undefeated, they go to the NT game...this year the SEC has plenty of respect from a strength of schedule stand point, and if they were to beat UF, UT, AUburn, BAma....and UT/UF/UGA in the SEC CG...it's likely they get in....

i just can't see an SEC team, this year, going undefeated and not getting in the Fiesta Bowl...
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If LSU goes to the NCG, then AUB plays in the Sugar Bowl. However, I see at least 4 teams going undefeated this season: ND, OSU, WVU, and LSU. That means plenty of teams will be left out in the cold come January.
 
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therealUT said:
If LSU goes to the NCG, then AUB plays in the Sugar Bowl. However, I see at least 4 teams going undefeated this season: ND, OSU, WVU, and LSU. That means plenty of teams will be left out in the cold come January.
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really? wow. I see ND losing to 1 of the following: Mich, Mich St., USC...I see OSD probably going undefeated unless Michigan gets a whole lot better quick. WVU will probably slip somewhere..they usually do...don't underestimate that backyard brawl with Pitt...those two teams hate each other, and WVU will get a hell of game from the Panthers, who aren't playing terrible. LSU, and you couls substitute Auburn here as well, will probably lose at least 1 conf. game. LSU does have to play Florida, TN and Auburn, and Auburn has to play UGA, UF and LSU...

still a long way to go, plus the CG....USC, ND, OSU and WVU all benefit from NOT having a CG to go thru....

the CG game for the SEC basically is a penalty game now a days for a team that goes undefeated....you likely will be playing someone for the 2nd time, which is no real help from a strength of schedule standpoint, and there's always the chance for a loss...If LSU does go undefeated, best case for them is UGA win the East and play them....they would likely be a top 10 team, and wouldn't have played them yet....
 
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jakez4ut said:
really? wow. I see ND losing to 1 of the following: Mich, Mich St., USC...I see OSD probably going undefeated unless Michigan gets a whole lot better quick. WVU will probably slip somewhere..they usually do...don't underestimate that backyard brawl with Pitt...those two teams hate each other, and WVU will get a hell of game from the Panthers, who aren't playing terrible. LSU, and you couls substitute Auburn here as well, will probably lose at least 1 conf. game. LSU does have to play Florida, TN and Auburn, and Auburn has to play UGA, UF and LSU...

still a long way to go, plus the CG....USC, ND, OSU and WVU all benefit from NOT having a CG to go thru....

the CG game for the SEC basically is a penalty game now a days for a team that goes undefeated....you likely will be playing someone for the 2nd time, which is no real help from a strength of schedule standpoint, and there's always the chance for a loss...If LSU does go undefeated, best case for them is UGA win the East and play them....they would likely be a top 10 team, and wouldn't have played them yet....
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Likewise, should Auburn win the West and be undefeated, it would beneift them if TN won the East, likley be ranked in the top 10 and beat them, since they haven't played them already...
 
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#38
My prediction is Auburn wins the West, Tennessee wins the East and we get the benefit of watching a really good SECCG. I think it's going to be USC vs OSU in the NCG this year.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
My prediction is Auburn wins the West, Tennessee wins the East and we get the benefit of watching a really good SECCG. I think it's going to be USC vs OSU in the NCG this year.
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that USC/ND game could be HUGE if both are undefeated...the winner likely gets the nod in the NT game...so your prediction looks pretty good to me. OSU is definitely the team to beat...
 
#41
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oklavol said:
You mean impact other then deciding who wins the SEC east?
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well, in the grand scheme of things, i know we all talk about winning the conference, but realistically, this year, was that a reasonable goal? does beating UF or losing to UF prove anything about the quality of our season, as we sit here on the 2nd weekend of September? I want to win this game and think we are perfectly capable of doing so, but i can't sit here and say that losing this game will be "defining moment" of a bad season? Nor can i say winning it means it's automatic that we're in the CG this season...and our season will be "great". it definitely would set the tone for a great season, and gives us a leg up in the conference, but losing it doesn't mean we're out of it with games against UGA and LSU and Bama etc...remaining...plenty of opportunities out there to still have a great season, or bad one, regardless of what happens this Saturday.
 
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therealUT said:
If LSU goes to the NCG, then AUB plays in the Sugar Bowl. However, I see at least 4 teams going undefeated this season: ND, OSU, WVU, and LSU. That means plenty of teams will be left out in the cold come January.
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How can that be? If LSU played in the national championship game, they would have had to have won the SEC title game, and by default that means the second place team in the SEC would have to be whoever lost to LSU and that would be an SECE team.
 
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lawgator1 said:
How can that be? If LSU played in the national championship game, they would have had to have won the SEC title game, and by default that means the second place team in the SEC would have to be whoever lost to LSU and that would be an SECE team.
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not necessarily...in 99 we went to the Fiesta bowl, having not even played in the CG...we were the next highest ranked team...Alabama beat UF in the CG, Bama went to the Sugar bowl and we went to the Fiesta...
 
#44
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jakez4ut said:
not necessarily...in 99 we went to the Fiesta bowl, having not even played in the CG...we were the next highest ranked team...Alabama beat UF in the CG, Bama went to the Sugar bowl and we went to the Fiesta...
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Yeah, but I thought Sugar got the SEC champ or, if that team goes to the NC game, the second place SEC team.
 
#45
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, but I thought Sugar got the SEC champ or, if that team goes to the NC game, the second place SEC team.
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it's up to the Bowl at that point...when selecting at large teams, they don't "have" to select in any particular order...has more to do with BCS rankings than where you finish in your conf....which is how Neb got in to the NC game, as well as OK, w/out winning the conf. or even being in the Conf CG...

which goes back to the cg being a penalty for really good teams.

OK got lucky...they lost the CG and still got in...Neb finished 3rd in their conf. and played for a NT....
 
#46
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lawgator1 said:
How can that be? If LSU played in the national championship game, they would have had to have won the SEC title game, and by default that means the second place team in the SEC would have to be whoever lost to LSU and that would be an SECE team.
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That is how it should work, logically, but that is not how I understand the system to work. It goes to record in conference. If UT loses 2 games, including the CG, and AUB only loses 1, they are second place.
 
#47
#47
lawgator1 said:
Yeah, but I thought Sugar got the SEC champ or, if that team goes to the NC game, the second place SEC team.
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It used to be that way, but with the Sugar being a BCS bowl it's a bit different. It appears to be agreed upon that if an SEC team is in the BCS top 10 (as of this year, top 8 in years prior), then the Sugar gets that team (which is most likely the SEC champ). But if no SEC team were to finish in the BCS top 10, the SEC would be shut out of the Sugar Bowl. I don't see that happening, but it could.

As an aside the Sugar bowl is now sponsored by Allstate now - it seems strange and will be even more strange if New Orleans folks start complaining about not being able to collect on claims made to Allstate regarding Katrina - which is bound to happen at some point given what was seen in Florida. But that's another thread for another board.
 
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no1g8r said:
It used to be that way, but with the Sugar being a BCS bowl it's a bit different. It appears to be agreed upon that if an SEC team is in the BCS top 10 (as of this year, top 8 in years prior), then the Sugar gets that team (which is most likely the SEC champ). But if no SEC team were to finish in the BCS top 10, the SEC would be shut out of the Sugar Bowl. I don't see that happening, but it could.
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If the SEC champ is not playing in the NT game, then regardless of whos ranked where, the SEC champ goes to the sugar bowl...that is back in play now.
 
#49
#49
Geez. I hope the football team isn't sitting around thinking about how they could still salvage the season after a loss to UF. If UT is going to be considered "back" then it's going to require victories over the Bulldogs and Gators.
 
#50
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lawgator1 said:
Don't sweatit, we aren't running much of it, at all. My guess would be no more than three times. We just haven't been practicing or running it, from what I can see.
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I was actually speaking of a possible West Virginia vs. Tennessee matchup. I'm definitely not worried about Florida's silly semi-spread option at the present moment. :p
 
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