Folks just need to settle down

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I didn't go after him about 2021, I just don’t subscribe to the idea that we were overmatched by UF that year (Florida State was 5-7 in 2021 btw). I agree Alabama & Georgia certainly were pass worthy that year though considering they were the CFP finalists.
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It was inexcusable to lose to Florida in 2021 and this year. We almost blew it last year. We need to hire a sports psychologist to get past this Florida mental problem.
 
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Hugely disappointed in the game Saturday. If I have my math correct, this is CJH's 6th year as a head coach, or about 25% of his career at this level. He is young and was schooled by an old veteran coach last weekend. I hope CJH learns (other teams will make halftime adjustments, always keep your foot on their throats, etc.) from these experiences. As he matures, hopefully we will see fewer youthful mistakes, such as running a 180 lb cheetah up the middle, from the shotgun, on 4th &1 against a stout DL. He has a great offensive mind, imagine when he has the experience to go with it...and elevated tallent too, I hope.
 
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Volizona said:
It was inexcusable to lose to Florida in 2021 and this year. We almost blew it last year. We need to hire a sports psychologist to get past this Florida mental problem.
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And while they’re at it, figure out how to sustain intensity for 4 quarters
 
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I agree with a lot of your comments. We have drastically improved in Heupel is the best coach we’ve had in years. Maybe the best coach we’ve had in many of our lifetimes.

But the one comment I disagree with is that Milton is, in fact, incredibly similar to JG. Both were guys that scouts loved because of their size and arm strength. But neither of those guys have it. I don’t know how exactly to define the mental aspect of the game, but when a player has taken every snap for a couple of games (so long as they aren’t a freshman playing without full understanding of the playbook)… you know it when you see it. Or to say it another way… You know when you don’t see it. Most of us knew by JG second year he wasn’t a good player, but he continued to get the majority of the snaps. Same with Milton. Honestly, most of us knew by the second game he was a really bad player. He was a fourth year quarterback at that time and it wasn’t just that he wasn’t great. It was that he was flat out awful. He threw passes to wide-open receivers (from completely defensive breakdowns) 25+ yards too far. It’s hard to put into perspective how bad that is. Also little mental things like running out of bounds with no time on the clock against Ole Miss that first year and consistently being on aware of the down and distance, etc.

To reply more directly to your point… Milton had very little to do with last seasons, 11–2. He is likely going to go 8–5 or 9–4. JG was 8-5 in pruitts second year. But GG didn’t have a spectacular quarterback mentor as Milton does nor did he play in such an explosive all sense. I’d even add to that our defense at this time is better than any de since we had during JG’s time. And furthermore, JG wasn’t a 6th year senior.

One particularly striking similarities is they both get hit from the blindside and fumble the ball more than any other two quarterbacks I can think of in recent memory. Those blindside hits are typically on the quarterback. Occasionally a rusher runs free, and nobody sees them. But typically they get slowed up from an all sense of lineman before breaking free, and the quarterback should’ve already released the ball. When a lineman is beat like that, they are taught to always yell at the QB warning them an hit is coming.

Anyway, we are in good hands for the future. In 15+ years as an all sense of coordinator or head coach… Milton will be the first quarterback Heupel has ever had several years to work with that doesn’t go on to be a spectacular player that puts up monster numbers. Even look at Oklahoma this year with Dylan Gabriel as quarterback. Gabriel was with Heupel for three years at UCF. His track record with qbs is 2nd to none. It’s possible that his previous success made him overlook the flaws so many of us felt were obvious with Milton. Regardless, it’s just incredibly disappointing that Heupel didn’t prioritize getting a different quarter back ready for life after hooker. This season was always going to go this way (with Milton at qb).
 
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BSAvol said:
Hugely disappointed in the game Saturday. If I have my math correct, this is CJH's 6th year as a head coach, or about 25% of his career at this level. He is young and was schooled by an old veteran coach last weekend. I hope CJH learns (other teams will make halftime adjustments, always keep your foot on their throats, etc.) from these experiences. As he matures, hopefully we will see fewer youthful mistakes, such as running a 180 lb cheetah up the middle, from the shotgun, on 4th &1 against a stout DL. He has a great offensive mind, imagine when he has the experience to go with it...and elevated tallent too, I hope.
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My biggest disappointment hasn’t been the losing as much as the conservative play calling. I thought we were finally over the days of Johnny, Fulmer, Butch and friends playing not to lose only to lose after watching Heupel the last two years. He was always aggressive and never wasted even 10 seconds. This year it seems like we have just given up and submitted to losing. Don’t give me this it’s his QB stuff. Joe seems to even be better when the plays are faster and more aggressive. I don’t get it. I hate conservative game plans.
 
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volfan4evr said:
I sadly believe that a number of posters on here are not Vol fans. Just like to stir the pot IMO.
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Where I used to work there were some that said I just get on the forums to badgers these guys and get a laugh, so you are right and one of them still post from time to time very sparingly but he used a name of someone he hated so when I see his post it stands out. But in the long run it evens out you need to Negs and the sunshine post and the even keeled, then there's the other team trolls. :mad:
 
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Volizona said:
My biggest disappointment hasn’t been the losing as much as the conservative play calling. I thought we were finally over the days of Johnny, Fulmer, Butch and friends playing not to lose only to lose after watching Heupel the last two years. He was always aggressive and never wasted even 10 seconds. This year it seems like we have just given up and submitted to losing. Don’t give me this it’s his QB stuff. Joe seems to even be better when the plays are faster and more aggressive. I don’t get it. I hate conservative game plans.
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Some would say a coach that rolls the dice on 4th down as much as Hueple is conservative is a bit crazy, that is completely opposite of conservative IMO.
 
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I think the key to this " settle down" approach is to just watch the first half of each game. That way you go to bed in a good mood thinking we won the game.
 
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Volizona said:
My biggest disappointment hasn’t been the losing as much as the conservative play calling. I thought we were finally over the days of Johnny, Fulmer, Butch and friends playing not to lose only to lose after watching Heupel the last two years. He was always aggressive and never wasted even 10 seconds. This year it seems like we have just given up and submitted to losing. Don’t give me this it’s his QB stuff. Joe seems to even be better when the plays are faster and more aggressive. I don’t get it. I hate conservative game plans.
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Please don’t put Butch in the same category as Majors and Fulmer. Both of those guys won five conference championships and two national titles between the two with their “conservative” mentality. The play calling is what it is. The coaches know what the offense does well in practice which influences how a real game is called. Heupel had better offensive personnel to work with last season and that is why the product on the field is lacking. Good coaches can also call bad games too.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
EDIT: I see what you meant now. Florida only beat one other SEC team, Vandy. True, but they did also beat Florida State.

So they kinda sucked. By all rights, given what we'd just been through, we should have sucked even worse. And yet we had a better SEC record than them. Lost to them head to head, but did better than them overall. With a roster full of holes, a brand new coaching staff, and a program in peril from the NCAA.

Meh, you see it your way, I'll see it mine. I'm not going to hold ANYTHING about 2021 against Josh & Crew.

Go Vols!
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I agree. I think all reasonable Vol fans should give 2021 vs big 3 a pass. Idc what Fla record was. They beat us how many times in a row headed into that 2021 game?? They literally looked at us like we look at Kentucky. Guaranteed W no matter how bad they are.
 
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901 Orange said:
I agree. I think all reasonable Vol fans should give 2021 vs big 3 a pass. Idc what Fla record was. They beat us how many times in a row headed into that 2021 game?? They literally looked at us like we look at Kentucky. Guaranteed W no matter how bad they are.
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Yes, exactly. And reversing the series on them will be harder than against "just other teams."

Other teams, we just get better than, then start beating them. Can be like switching a light on.

When they have juju on us, like we have on Kentucky, it takes more. Gotta get better than them, then get them outta our heads, THEN start beating them. Takes more time to do all that.

The good news is, we're already in the process. Started it last year. We're getting there.

Go Vols!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yes, exactly. And reversing the series on them will be harder than against "just other teams."

Other teams, we just get better than, then start beating them. Can be like switching a light on.

When they have juju on us, like we have on Kentucky, it takes more. Gotta get better than them, then get them outta our heads, THEN start beating them. Takes more time to do all that.

The good news is, we're already in the process. Started it last year. We're getting there.

Go Vols!
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Completely agree GBFO!!!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
We're a good team. Not yet a championship team, but a good team. Making our way there. We have a great coach. We have a great staff. We have great lads. All regardless of what some are screaming on these boards.

To respond thread title by thread title:

Josh Heupel: 2-6 Vs. UF/Bama/UGA

Noone in their right mind give Josh any grief for the 2021 season. He done solid just getting us to a bowl after the post-Pruitt mass exodus.

So call it 2-3 instead, with a chance in a few weeks of getting to 3-3. Not likely, but possible.

Let that sink in: a chance to be 3-3 against our three top competitors. We've come a long way from the Dark Ages.

This is what happens when you stick with bad Qbs—Guarantano part 2

As far as I can remember, Guarantano never won the Orange Bowl for the Vols. He certainly wasn't part of an 11-2 season, or even--as this season is bound to be, if not better--an 8-4 result.

It's a ludicrous comparison.

Shouldn’t the special teams coach be getting criticized?

This is the mind set of part of our fan base: we exist to criticize our coaches. Not support them, not wish them the best, but wait for any mistake so we can belittle them.

Learn how to fan, fans.

Even SEC Shorts knows Alabama officiating is corrupt lol

Well, that's true. Totally true. This one gets a pass, it's on the money. Good job, Gandalf!

~ ~ ~

That's enough for this round.

We just need to settle in and realize, even with a very good team, things don't always go our way. There will be CHAMPIONSHIP seasons when everything doesn't go our way.

Go Vols!
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KTrain said:
Some would say a coach that rolls the dice on 4th down as much as Hueple is conservative is a bit crazy, that is completely opposite of conservative IMO.
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Going for the 4th down was aggressive and I didn’t have a problem with this. It’s the conservative play calling that got us to the 4th downs and very conservative and questionable play calls FOR the 4th downs I had a problem with.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Please don’t put Butch in the same category as Majors and Fulmer. Both of those guys won five conference championships and two national titles between the two with their “conservative” mentality. The play calling is what it is. The coaches know what the offense does well in practice which influences how a real game is called. Heupel had better offensive personnel to work with last season and that is why the product on the field is lacking. Good coaches can also call bad games too.
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Agree that Johnny and Phil shouldn’t be mentioned with Butch. They are both VFLs and legends, but unfortunately they both lost their share of games we should have easily won because they were way too conservative and tried to sit on leads. 9-6 1990 Bama loss, Fulmer many times against Florida, etc.
 
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Volizona said:
Agree that Johnny and Phil shouldn’t be mentioned with Butch. They are both VFLs and legends, but unfortunately they both lost their share of games we should have easily won because they were way too conservative and tried to sit on leads. 9-6 1990 Bama loss, Fulmer many times against Florida, etc.
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……but nothing compared to Butch. 2014, 2015, 2017 Florida were inexcusable. So was 2015 Oklahoma and many, many more. All lost due to taking our foot off of the throttle.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Alabama and Georgia I'll give you, but Florida was really bad in 2021. We had no business losing 38-14 or whatever to them. Their only other conference win was Vanderbilt. We had alot of guys leave but we also brought alot of guys in that year. I'm bullish on Heupel long term but honestly we haven't been outmatched athletically by Florida at any point in his tenure.
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They had Dan mullen right? No way I'd expect much better in the swamp.
 
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Volizona said:
Going for the 4th down was aggressive and I didn’t have a problem with this. It’s the conservative play calling that got us to the 4th downs and very conservative and questionable play calls FOR the 4th downs I had a problem with.
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We do have new OC and WR coaches this year and that may be one of the problems. I say that because of the play calling and the inability of the WRs getting separation on their pass routes. Also, we do not have a first round draft pick at right tackle this year and probably not 2 third round WRs.
 
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