For those predicting doom and gloom...

#51
#51
This is bunk. We are an SEC team not 2A high school team. We certainly although highly ranked did not play like an SEC team when we got humiliated at South Carolina last year. Mizzou didn't humiliate us but they did embarrass us just this past weekend. If we cannot compete as an SEC team week in and week out then we need a staff in here that can. I do not expect to win every game every season. But in year 3 I certainly expected better than what we've seen from the 2023 Vols.
Too many holes we are still trying to fill. That should get better next season. In areas that are weak now we should see growth. However the record will likely be similar. I think in 25 and a full roster of Heupel kid's we can possibly start to compete yearly. Depends on growth and development going forward.
 
#52
#52
Freshmen and Sophomore talent will not win road SEC games. Our upperclassmen for the most part are not SEC quality. However they stuck with this program and everything that came with that. We OWE them decency. When so many bailed, they stayed.

Quoting this so I can repeat it!
 
#54
#54
Out of 3 seasons we have played nine games against our Big3, UF, Bama, and UGA. Heupel has won 2 out of the 9 games. My point is he very well may NOT be the guy. If he goes 2 out of 15, you still going to come here and claim he's still the guy?
2 of those "big 3" dominate cfb. 5games have been on the road. Only home losses in 2 years has been to the #1 team in the nation. If you said IN JANUARY 2021, that and 25-11 wasnt good enough after 3 years, you were completely naive or stupid as hell as to where this program was and still is to a degree.
 
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We are complaining about an 8-4 or possible 9-4 season being a disappointment. Tell me when the last time we have had this kind of mentality? There is absolutely plenty we can criticize Heupel about. But the bottom line is this program is in the best shape it’s been since prime Fulmer. And nobody could have expected us being where we are this quickly.

Yeah when Pruitt just won 3 games I said Vol fans will never complain about 8 win seasons like they did when Fulmer had some 8 win seasons back in the day. But here we are.
 
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Out of 3 seasons we have played nine games against our Big3, UF, Bama, and UGA. Heupel has won 2 out of the 9 games. My point is he very well may NOT be the guy. If he goes 2 out of 15, you still going to come here and claim he's still the guy?
Please tell us the coach that’s gonna come in here and dominate that big 3. I await your response.
 
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Heupel deserves plenty of time. Not hating on Milton, but we all know he’s a big step back from Hooker. He’s done most of what’s asked of him, but he’s not the guy that’s going to go out and just win games. I say that only to say I think Nico will prove to be an excellent, very smart and capable QB. Hype needs that kind of QB. People need to also understand how young we are going to be next year at a LOT of positions. Not sure our record will be all that much better next year. I’m not worried about that. Taking the long view of looking toward 2025 and 2026 as break out years and really gaining the momentum in recruiting.
Yep, Milton is robotic doesn't make many turnovers but he just cant win games like some QBs Bryce Young, Dobbs and QBs like that can carry a team. If Milton was on a 5 star loaded team and kept mistakes few he could win for them at a high clip but we are far from that. When Mays was out we had a hard time with Austin Peay much less UF. This team has very little room for error and injuries but they have happened. Besides the early season Mays, we lost our best receiver in Bru a leader at LB in Pili almost like a coach on the field and our best DB in Hadden and many other . It will be more of the same next year this team has a few players but if any get hurt we are playing with Vandy type players.
 
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#60
This is bunk. We are an SEC team not 2A high school team. We certainly although highly ranked did not play like an SEC team when we got humiliated at South Carolina last year. Mizzou didn't humiliate us but they did embarrass us just this past weekend. If we cannot compete as an SEC team week in and week out then we need a staff in here that can. I do not expect to win every game every season. But in year 3 I certainly expected better than what we've seen from the 2023 Vols.
I say we just complete a 3 way trade. Heupel to A&M, Jimbo to Ole Miss, and ………………Bring him home hehehe
 
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Out of 3 seasons we have played nine games against our Big3, UF, Bama, and UGA. Heupel has won 2 out of the 9 games. My point is he very well may NOT be the guy. If he goes 2 out of 15, you still going to come here and claim he's still the guy?
He isn't going 2 out of 15
 
#65
#65
I've been hunting and mostly avoiding this place because the idiots come out of the wood work when there's a bump in the road.

Milton's job was to keep the seat warm so Nico didn't get thrown to the wolves... on a team that has some significant gaps. The O will start to get back to norm next fall. The real question is what will be done about the D staff and particularly the DC. He has some really good games but you can't have a guy who so frequently lays eggs like he did vs MU.
While I would agree with you generally, we're not going to beat anyone much less the best Missouri team in a decade scoring only seven points and turning it over three times with a pick six. The most glaring problems with this years team at this juncture are on defense, we've just lost too many key starters Pili, Hadden, etc. and it shows up when we play really good teams; we just get exposed. On offense, no WR on the roster can consistently get open except Squirrel. The knock on Milton two years ago was he was overthrowing wide open receivers. Well we aren't getting wide open much, and when we do Joe's hit the guys and too often they've dropped the ball. This O will not improve regardless of who the QB is until we get some WR's who can consistently create some separation and catch the d*%@ ball! Here's hoping Nico, Nimrod and the other young WR's can get it together!
 
#66
#66
We are complaining about an 8-4 or possible 9-4 season being a disappointment. Tell me when the last time we have had this kind of mentality? There is absolutely plenty we can criticize Heupel about. But the bottom line is this program is in the best shape it’s been since prime Fulmer. And nobody could have expected us being where we are this quickly.
No one could have expected a program with this much money and fan buy-in to turn in an ugly 8-4 in year 3? Come on, man.
 
#67
#67
While I would agree with you generally, we're not going to beat anyone much less the best Missouri team in a decade scoring only seven points and turning it over three times with a pick six. The most glaring problems with this years team at this juncture are on defense, we've just lost too many key starters Pili, Hadden, etc. and it shows up when we play really good teams; we just get exposed. On offense, no WR on the roster can consistently get open except Squirrel. The knock on Milton two years ago was he was overthrowing wide open receivers. Well we aren't getting wide open much, and when we do Joe's hit the guys and too often they've dropped the ball. This O will not improve regardless of who the QB is until we get some WR's who can consistently create some separation and catch the d*%@ ball! Here's hoping Nico, Nimrod and the other young WR's can get it together!
Yes. The O absolutely stank it up vs Mizzou... then again it is hard to get in rhythm when the other team holds the ball for all but 4 plays in the 1st qtr because the D can't get off the field.... mostly because the game plan and play calling sucks.

I really think the O's occasional bad games relate almost exclusively to players. UT has to keep upgrading. UT needs to be better on the OL than they've been this year in man to man match ups. Heupel schemes them into favorable plays.

On D, I think it lays at the feet of the DC. I have nothing at all personal against him. But he just has a habit of getting outcoached. He has some great games and then he lays eggs like he did against Mizzou. Opponents out gameplan him then they out playcall him. MU called plays like they were in his headset and knew what he was doing. That's bad enough... but then he doesn't make effective adjustments or else makes them much too slow. People have blamed it on players. I don't totally disagree that UT has needed more talent on D. But they aren't nearly as untalented and unskilled as they've looked at times. Think about Hadden. Not that long ago he was getting roundly criticized... but the numbers showed it wasn't actually him. He was being put in a position to fail and fans could see it when he did.



I have never been anti-Joe. I'm still not. But he's not a quick, instinctive, or good decision maker. As much as they may struggle to get open, he misses open guys. He doesn't read the D well enough to know where they are and then see them. If HH had a uniquely great skill that was it. He had a Larry Bird sense of where defenders were... so he could throw it where they weren't. Joe is just too mechanical in the way he tries to do that.

I think Nico shows signs of being more like HH. I also think the staff is very consciously recruiting it because Merklinger is said to be that way.

IMO, the D is a much more difficult problem for Heupel. Banks can't continue to be that inconsistent and beatable.
 
#69
#69
Yes. The O absolutely stank it up vs Mizzou... then again it is hard to get in rhythm when the other team holds the ball for all but 4 plays in the 1st qtr because the D can't get off the field.... mostly because the game plan and play calling sucks.

I really think the O's occasional bad games relate almost exclusively to players. UT has to keep upgrading. UT needs to be better on the OL than they've been this year in man to man match ups. Heupel schemes them into favorable plays.

On D, I think it lays at the feet of the DC. I have nothing at all personal against him. But he just has a habit of getting outcoached. He has some great games and then he lays eggs like he did against Mizzou. Opponents out gameplan him then they out playcall him. MU called plays like they were in his headset and knew what he was doing. That's bad enough... but then he doesn't make effective adjustments or else makes them much too slow. People have blamed it on players. I don't totally disagree that UT has needed more talent on D. But they aren't nearly as untalented and unskilled as they've looked at times. Think about Hadden. Not that long ago he was getting roundly criticized... but the numbers showed it wasn't actually him. He was being put in a position to fail and fans could see it when he did.



I have never been anti-Joe. I'm still not. But he's not a quick, instinctive, or good decision maker. As much as they may struggle to get open, he misses open guys. He doesn't read the D well enough to know where they are and then see them. If HH had a uniquely great skill that was it. He had a Larry Bird sense of where defenders were... so he could throw it where they weren't. Joe is just too mechanical in the way he tries to do that.

I think Nico shows signs of being more like HH. I also think the staff is very consciously recruiting it because Merklinger is said to be that way.

IMO, the D is a much more difficult problem for Heupel. Banks can't continue to be that inconsistent and beatable.
Watching a guys film review the other day. He brought up the 3rd and 11 with mizzou in their own endzone. He criticized the playcall because Banks brought a blitz up the middle and gave up contain. He said this was horrible call but also said "There was no way banks knew he was going to do that even though Mizzou had been killing us with it all day" which goes back to your point sj. Banks gets out coached then gets the benefit of the doubt because "He doesnt have the players". Thats a poor excuse. This man needs to be held responsible or/and given the boot. His game plan was horrible. Our LBs were constantly out of position and getting caught flat footed due to thinking. That is on coaching. Mizzou didnt do anything new this game that they havent been doing prior. You had 9 games to review and coach this defense. You laid a giant goose egg center field. But people wanna put him on the Broyles award list. IMO the only reason hes on that list is because of Rodney Gardner.
 
#70
#70
I think this season further highlights and proves the vast importance of the Florida game. If we had won that game this season, there is an entirely different narrative both locally and nationally around the success of this season.
 
#71
#71
Out of 3 seasons we have played nine games against our Big3, UF, Bama, and UGA. Heupel has won 2 out of the 9 games. My point is he very well may NOT be the guy. If he goes 2 out of 15, you still going to come here and claim he's still the guy?
That first year shouldn't count, we barley had enough players to field a team. That puts him at 2-4 in my eyes. That's way better than the 0-12 the previous 4 years before he arrived isn't it??
 
#72
#72
Too many holes we are still trying to fill. That should get better next season. In areas that are weak now we should see growth. However the record will likely be similar. I think in 25 and a full roster of Heupel kid's we can possibly start to compete yearly. Depends on growth and development going forward.
Looks like we are beginning to recruit the type players we need to compete with the big guys. As the old toms cat said when the train ran over his tail,"it aint going to long now".
 
#73
#73
Yes. The O absolutely stank it up vs Mizzou... then again it is hard to get in rhythm when the other team holds the ball for all but 4 plays in the 1st qtr because the D can't get off the field.... mostly because the game plan and play calling sucks.

I really think the O's occasional bad games relate almost exclusively to players. UT has to keep upgrading. UT needs to be better on the OL than they've been this year in man to man match ups. Heupel schemes them into favorable plays.

On D, I think it lays at the feet of the DC. I have nothing at all personal against him. But he just has a habit of getting outcoached. He has some great games and then he lays eggs like he did against Mizzou. Opponents out gameplan him then they out playcall him. MU called plays like they were in his headset and knew what he was doing. That's bad enough... but then he doesn't make effective adjustments or else makes them much too slow. People have blamed it on players. I don't totally disagree that UT has needed more talent on D. But they aren't nearly as untalented and unskilled as they've looked at times. Think about Hadden. Not that long ago he was getting roundly criticized... but the numbers showed it wasn't actually him. He was being put in a position to fail and fans could see it when he did.



I have never been anti-Joe. I'm still not. But he's not a quick, instinctive, or good decision maker. As much as they may struggle to get open, he misses open guys. He doesn't read the D well enough to know where they are and then see them. If HH had a uniquely great skill that was it. He had a Larry Bird sense of where defenders were... so he could throw it where they weren't. Joe is just too mechanical in the way he tries to do that.

I think Nico shows signs of being more like HH. I also think the staff is very consciously recruiting it because Merklinger is said to be that way.

IMO, the D is a much more difficult problem for Heupel. Banks can't continue to be that inconsistent and beatable.
I don't have the time, inclination, or football IQ to breakdown film and dissect why the defense played so poorly against Missouri, but my cursory assessment is we just didn't have an LB that could match up with Schrader. Herring certainly couldn't. He didn't seem to be able to read and react quick enough. We basically let one player beat us and that has to be on the coaching. I can't believe we can't take away one guy. Maybe that means someone else kills us, but we'll never know because we gave up 300 + yards to number 7. While it may have narrowed the margin, I don't think better coaching would have won us that game. The Missouri players just whipped our azzs in every phase of the game. But in the final assessment the Tigers are not 29 points better than this Vol team, so in that regard it is on the coaches, but in my view as much on Heupel and the O as Banks and the D. There was enough stank in this one for every one on the roster and the staff to share a whiff.
 

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