For those that like stats.

[FollowTheLeader]

For those that like to use stats to justify the rants, what should we say and think of our current stats?

Our offensive stats have declined significantly. We're almost dead last in 4th down. Who should we blame?

Our Defensive stats have decline some, but in the main areas where we were close to dead last a year ago,(Total D and Pass E D), there has been improvement statistically. So why the rants about how bad the defense is.

We still got alot of football to play. We are a team and we should all want both sides of the ball to improve and do better. The bashing of one side of the ball when that side is STATICALLY better in almost all major categories, makes no sense and is irrational.

Offense
-Total Offense #40 (#1 in '22) dropped -39
-Scoring Offense #57 (#1 in 22) dropped -56
-Pass efficiency #63 (#1 in 22) dropped -62
-Rush #25 (#1 in 22) dropped -24
-3rd down O #74 (#42 in 22) dropped -32
-4th down #110 (#12 in 22) dropped -88
-Red zone #56 (#3 in 22) dropped -53

Defense
Total Defense #37 (90 in 22) increased +53
-Scoring Defense #43 (#35 in 22) dropped -8
-Pass efficiency D #52 (#65 in 22) increased +13
-Rush D #57 (#20 in 22) dropped -35
-3rd down D #43 (#31 in 22) dropped -12
-4th down D #21 (#28 in 22) dropped -7
-Red zone #58 (#13 in 22) dropped -45

(Btw....these are not stats that I think actually matter, but many use them, so I decided to use this example.

 

[whodeycin85]

Almost like all those stats showing a decline in everything on offenses might have a common theme of a weak OLINE

 

[TAF]

Almost like all those stats showing a decline in everything on offenses might have a common theme of a weak QB

fyp

 

[vegasvolfan]

Almost like all those stats showing a decline in everything on offenses might have a common theme of a weak OLINE

And we have only played AP, Virginia and a struggling FL team. Fact is, when your D is on the field all game. Tackles, PBUs, sacks and TFLs will be up, but scoring defense, total yards etc will also be up. I think this is mostly DB and OL play. If our OL improves, we will create more first downs and score more points. Our D will be on the field less. Hopefully our DBs will play better, but I don’t see it. That bunch has stunk it up for a 3rd straight year.

 

[LWSVOL]

For those that like to use stats to justify the rants, what should we say and think of our current stats?

Our offensive stats have declined significantly. We're almost dead last in 4th down. Who should we blame?

Our Defensive stats have decline some, but in the main areas where we were close to dead last a year ago,(Total D and Pass E D), there has been improvement statistically. So why the rants about how bad the defense is.

We still got alot of football to play. We are a team and we should all want both sides of the ball to improve and do better. The bashing of one side of the ball when that side is STATICALLY better in almost all major categories, makes no sense and is irrational.

Offense
-Total Offense #40 (#1 in '22) dropped -39
-Scoring Offense #57 (#1 in 22) dropped -56
-Pass efficiency #63 (#1 in 22) dropped -62
-Rush #25 (#1 in 22) dropped -24
-3rd down O #74 (#42 in 22) dropped -32
-4th down #110 (#12 in 22) dropped -88
-Red zone #56 (#3 in 22) dropped -53

Defense
Total Defense #37 (90 in 22) increased +53
-Scoring Defense #43 (#35 in 22) dropped -8
-Pass efficiency D #52 (#65 in 22) increased +13
-Rush D #57 (#20 in 22) dropped -35
-3rd down D #43 (#31 in 22) dropped -12
-4th down D #21 (#28 in 22) dropped -7
-Red zone #58 (#13 in 22) dropped -45

(Btw....these are not stats that I think actually matter, but many use them, so I decided to use this example.

any Vol fan that felt like this team was going to be up to the level of the 2022 team was just setting themselves up for a major disappointment. Too many effective losses from offense with replacements that don't come close to where those we lost were at.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

fyp

Bad take but keep fixating on Milton if it makes you feel better. Our offensive line depth is pitiful.

 

[EZE]

fyp

It’s both.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

And we have only played AP, Virginia and a struggling FL team. Fact is, when your D is on the field all game. Tackles, PBUs, sacks and TFLs will be up, but scoring defense, total yards etc will also be up. I think this is mostly DB and OL play. If our OL improves, we will create more first downs and score more points. Our D will be on the field less. Hopefully our DBs will play better, but I don’t see it. That bunch has stunk it up for a 3rd straight year.

Being on the field too much had nothing to do with how poor our defense was against UF. We couldn’t stop the run and routinely gave up completions on 3rd down from the first series through the rest of the first half.

 

[TAF]

Bad take but keep fixating on Milton if it makes you feel better. Our offensive line depth is pitiful.

Is it "The O-Line's Team'...or has it been described as "Joe's Team"? Who's the designated Leader?

There are TWO People ultimately responsible...
Joe and Josh...and they BOTH need to get their $HIT together.

 

[Volbrando]

Who's the designated Leader?

I think that's one of our problems right now - we need more leaders

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Is it "The O-Line's Team'...or has it been described as "Joe's Team"? Who's the designated Leader?

Davis getting his lunch eaten by a DT from mighty Austin Peay isn’t because of leadership. I guess poor play by the defense is Joe’s fault by your logic.

 

[TAF]

I guess poor play by the defense is Joe’s fault by your logic.

Poor play by the Defense is mitigated by LOTS of POINTS *see 2022

 

[sjt18]

Very premature to compare 3 games worth of stats to a whole season.

Parties that share some portion of the blame:

Fulmer for letting the program decline and then later hiring Pruitt.
Kiffin for jumping ship and setting Dooley up to fail.
Dooley for... failing.
Jones for being a con man and wasting a prime opportunity to get things back together essentially because he's a terrible coach.
UT administration throughout this comedy of coaching hires
Pruitt and staff for bad recruiting, breaking the rules, leaving a terrible roster situation.

Heupel- He's the "man". He owns it all.
Milton, Halzle, OL, WR... some combination here has led to offensive inefficiency
Banks, his staff, and D players for simply not making the calls and plays to get off the field.
ST's for the errors they've made

SEC officiating- screwed up, one-sided calls for the last two weeks which have contributed to the failures... which have contributed to the lack of confidence and rhythm.

 

[sjt18]

Poor play by the Defense is mitigated by LOTS of POINTS *see 2022

And vice versa.

 

[JRich]

For those that like to use stats to justify the rants, what should we say and think of our current stats?

Our offensive stats have declined significantly. We're almost dead last in 4th down. Who should we blame?

Our Defensive stats have decline some, but in the main areas where we were close to dead last a year ago,(Total D and Pass E D), there has been improvement statistically. So why the rants about how bad the defense is.

We still got alot of football to play. We are a team and we should all want both sides of the ball to improve and do better. The bashing of one side of the ball when that side is STATICALLY better in almost all major categories, makes no sense and is irrational.

Offense
-Total Offense #40 (#1 in '22) dropped -39
-Scoring Offense #57 (#1 in 22) dropped -56
-Pass efficiency #63 (#1 in 22) dropped -62
-Rush #25 (#1 in 22) dropped -24
-3rd down O #74 (#42 in 22) dropped -32
-4th down #110 (#12 in 22) dropped -88
-Red zone #56 (#3 in 22) dropped -53

Defense
Total Defense #37 (90 in 22) increased +53
-Scoring Defense #43 (#35 in 22) dropped -8
-Pass efficiency D #52 (#65 in 22) increased +13
-Rush D #57 (#20 in 22) dropped -35
-3rd down D #43 (#31 in 22) dropped -12
-4th down D #21 (#28 in 22) dropped -7
-Red zone #58 (#13 in 22) dropped -45

(Btw....these are not stats that I think actually matter, but many use them, so I decided to use this example.

I love stats.

Is this all of last year or through the first 3 games last year?

 

[JRich]

We're almost dead last in 4th down. Who should we blame?

Blame here always should fall on the head coach, just because it's a percentage thing. I get the situations where a punt doesn't really help you, or you have no choice, however CJH's eagerness to go for it on nearly every fourth down has always perplexed me (as has his use of timeouts). There have been many situations where UT would have benefited by taking the 3 points or punting the ball away. To me, this indicates one of two things: he still needs to mature a bit as a HC, or he doesn't trust his players to make the necessary plays later in the game.

 

[Alto1]

These stats show me an undisciplined team against average at best, opponents.

 

[NATHAN05]

Was hoping by Wed the doom and gloom would have shifted into "lot of season left ahead......let's get behind the team and help motivate"........but alas, I was a few days too early.

 

[VolForLife83]

any Vol fan that felt like this team was going to be up to the level of the 2022 team was just setting themselves up for a major disappointment. Too many effective losses from offense with replacements that don't come close to where those we lost were at.

We thought we were getting what we got from those who played against Clemson, which is basically this same team

 

[TNStudMuffin]

any Vol fan that felt like this team was going to be up to the level of the 2022 team was just setting themselves up for a major disappointment. Too many effective losses from offense with replacements that don't come close to where those we lost were at.

That doesn't explain the lack of situational awareness. The lack of growth in the people that didn't leave. The fact that all of this should have been obvious to anyone on the inside. No one had good reason to expect this team to be bad enough to struggle against APSU like they did.

 

[BruisedOrange]

We thought we were getting what we got from those who played against Clemson, which is basically this same team

Taking your cue, I pulled up the Orange Bowl starting lineup to see who from that team we were missing last Saturday against Florida (please fix my post if you see any errors):

offense
TE Princeton Fant
LG Jerome Carvin
C Cooper Mays
RT Darnell Wright
K Chase McGrath

defense
LEO Byron Young
DT Da'Jon Terry
DE LaTrell Bumphus
LB Juwan Mitchell
LB Solon Page III
CB Christian Charles
S Trevon Flowers
P Paxton Brooks

Couldn't help but notice from that Orange Bowl depth chart how many first-backups to seniors were freshmen. Maybe the biggest objective drop-off has been in game experience.

 

[LWSVOL]

We thought we were getting what we got from those who played against Clemson, which is basically this same team

Never take anything away from bowl games that are not playing in a playoff. One never knows how interested both teams may be in playing in the games. Its very likely at least one team will just be there to have a good time with the perks and parties. I've been to them and seen Tennessee kids out at all hours of the night, partying. Players from the opposing teams also... its not just Tennessee.

 

[BigALWiLson]

any Vol fan that felt like this team was going to be up to the level of the 2022 team was just setting themselves up for a major disappointment. Too many effective losses from offense with replacements that don't come close to where those we lost were at.

These are the same idiots who said Squirrel was better than Jalin Hyatt. You have lost your ***** mind if you actually thought that. Love Squirrel but they are not the same player.

 

[VolMarine1371]

For those that like to use stats to justify the rants, what should we say and think of our current stats?

Our offensive stats have declined significantly. We're almost dead last in 4th down. Who should we blame?

Our Defensive stats have decline some, but in the main areas where we were close to dead last a year ago,(Total D and Pass E D), there has been improvement statistically. So why the rants about how bad the defense is.

We still got alot of football to play. We are a team and we should all want both sides of the ball to improve and do better. The bashing of one side of the ball when that side is STATICALLY better in almost all major categories, makes no sense and is irrational.

Offense
-Total Offense #40 (#1 in '22) dropped -39
-Scoring Offense #57 (#1 in 22) dropped -56
-Pass efficiency #63 (#1 in 22) dropped -62
-Rush #25 (#1 in 22) dropped -24
-3rd down O #74 (#42 in 22) dropped -32
-4th down #110 (#12 in 22) dropped -88
-Red zone #56 (#3 in 22) dropped -53

Defense
Total Defense #37 (90 in 22) increased +53
-Scoring Defense #43 (#35 in 22) dropped -8
-Pass efficiency D #52 (#65 in 22) increased +13
-Rush D #57 (#20 in 22) dropped -35
-3rd down D #43 (#31 in 22) dropped -12
-4th down D #21 (#28 in 22) dropped -7
-Red zone #58 (#13 in 22) dropped -45

(Btw....these are not stats that I think actually matter, but many use them, so I decided to use this example.

Here’s a state I look at though that isn’t listed.
2023- QBR- 49.5 (89th in country)

 

[VolMarine1371]

These are the same idiots who said Squirrel was better than Jalin Hyatt. You have lost your ***** mind if you actually thought that. Love Squirrel but they are not the same player.

Squirrel may well be really good, but it’s hard to compare him to Hyatt considering who Hyatt had throwing him the ball vs who White has throwing to him.