For those throwing the DB's under the bus...

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.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
 
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3rd in completion % allowed.... 3rd in INT's... 6th in QB rating...

Not bad for a bunch of guys who are too slow and have no talent.
 
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Wow really? That is pretty impressive. And they definitely get ripped way too often.

Not that he is the only one in our secondary, but it is going to be crazy scary when Cam gets another year or two under his belt.
 
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they don't have to throw the ball,just run it or when they do give up a pass,it is usually a big damn pass play
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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McCullers doesn't have a killer instinct. Big j 98 wanted to kill. That's what made him so great.
 
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governmentmule said:
they don't have to throw the ball,just run it or when they do give up a pass,it is usually a big damn pass play
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I thought that too but they aren't last in passes defended and are really only 1 per game from being mid-pack. Completion % is good. Most INT's came against lesser opponents but is still meaningful.

They are low mid-pack in yd's per attempt... but again not at the bottom.
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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McCuller's contribution to the woes is definitely understated. I'm not excusing the tackling on the back end, but the way to disrupt an offense like Auburn/Oregon/Mizzou is getting a strong push up the middle. Without it, the speed of our linebackers and secondary have been exploited.

When McCullers plays well, the defense is noticeably better.
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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Don't understand the mindset of throwing the players under the bus but it is "hands off" for the head coach. Those players are VOLS. The coach is just a mercenary. Is there one VOL on the coaching staff?
 
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I'm glad you started this thread, OP. I actually think our DBs have been a bright spot on D. One of the reasons that QBs run so well against us is that they can't find someone to throw to and take off. I can't count how many times opposing QBs have had 5-7 seconds in the pocket and then have to run due to coverage. It's our QB rush that's been the main problem.
 
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Lexvol said:
McCuller's contribution to the woes is definitely understated. I'm not excusing the tackling on the back end, but the way to disrupt an offense like Auburn/Oregon/Mizzou is getting a strong push up the middle. Without it, the speed of our linebackers and secondary have been exploited.

When McCullers plays well, the defense is noticeably better.
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You may know better than me but I have always been taught the #1 job of the DT's in a 4-3 is to keep OL's off the LB's and hold or push the LOS back. That's just not happening.
 
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voldog74 said:
why throw it when you can run for 444 yards a game.
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There's an element of that but again that points more toward ineffective DL play than ineffective DB play. And when teams have thrown, UT's secondary has still been decent statistically.
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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Agree 1000%. Why throw it when you can run it down our front 7's throat. We do need upgrades at all DB positions (CB opposite Cam, Safety to replace McNeil and a Nickel 10 games ago) but they've done a decent job vs the pass.... thank goodness for Cam.

The DBs can't tackle for crap but the biggest issue has been our DL.... Primarily McCullers' unwillingness to be the dominant player he should've been and the player this defense desperately needed him to be.
 
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sjt18 said:
You may know better than me but I have always been taught the #1 job of the DT's in a 4-3 is to keep OL's off the LB's and hold or push the LOS back. That's just not happening.
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In a base 4-3, I was always taught that the linebackers are typically the playmakers. In the last three games, we've been pushed back, and allowed centers and guards off the line of scrimmage way too easily.

Frankly, the DE's have not held up their end of the bargain either.
 
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KBVol said:
Primarily McCullers' unwillingness to be the dominant player he should've been and the player this defense desperately needed him to be.
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This is my one major complaint with Jones personally. Saulsberry should play more... he's simply a better player any time he's in. I would even suspect you could slide Walls or Miller inside and get more than they're getting from McCullers. I see now why Bama passed on him.
 
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Lexvol said:
In a base 4-3, I was always taught that the linebackers are typically the playmakers. In the last three games, we've been pushed back, and allowed centers and guards off the line of scrimmage way too easily.

Frankly, the DE's have not held up their end of the bargain either.
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:hi: Gracias.
 
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our defense has let opponents lay as much as 50 points on us in a single game.

This is TOTALLY unacceptable, I don`t care what the stats are.

Our defense is responsible for many of our loses under Dooley and now under Jones.
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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Like the rest of our defense, they would take a bad angle and miss the bus altogether.
 
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Due to injuries, couch's ineligibility, and other reasons our defensive lineman are having to play TOO MANY plays per game. There is not enough in rotation. They have lost their legs the last two games. Let's hope the bye week has allowed them to get them back.

Not defending them, I too have been sorely disappointed in some of the DL play. Big Dan, its time to man up and find that tackling fuel.

GO VOLS lets close them DORES !!!
 
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Outside of Coleman most of our DB's are underclassmen. McNeil is have a sophomore slump but will be better next year. Our D-line is horrible and our LB's are slow but I agree our DL is the bigger problem. I wish Salisbury didn't get hurt and Vereen was ready to be a full-time stater. Our defense will be A-lot better next year not only will the LB's be faster but we will have a better pass rush.
 
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