For those throwing the DB's under the bus...

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That's a somewhat misleading stat.

- Tennessee is 6th in the SEC in pass efficiency defense.
- Tennessee is 10th in the SEC in pass yards per attempt defense.
- This has been touched on most likely, but the opponents' play selection has also contributed to that number as well.

Auburn - 7 passes, 53 rushes - passed 11.7% of the time
Missouri - 21 passes, 54 rushes - passed 28% of the time
Alabama - 28 passes, 37 rushes - passed 43.1% of the time
South Carolina - 22 passes, 42 rushes - passed 34.4% of the time
Georgia - 35 passes, 37 rushes - passed 48.6% of the time
Florida - 34 passes, 23 rushes - passed 59.6% of the time

We have only played 1 opponent who has passed more than they have ran against us.
 
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volglass said:
I'm glad you started this thread, OP. I actually think our DBs have been a bright spot on D. One of the reasons that QBs run so well against us is that they can't find someone to throw to and take off. I can't count how many times opposing QBs have had 5-7 seconds in the pocket and then have to run due to coverage. It's our QB rush that's been the main problem.
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My number one concern before the season started was our cornerback position. Although we've been disappointed with R. Jones' injury bad luck, Cam Sutton has way more than offset that. Coleman has done fair, and has avoided injury bug, important since he was about our only experienced cb still standing. And a couple other youngsters have made a few plays, as well. Things coulda been worse at this position. :hi:
 
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KingNick865 said:
That's a somewhat misleading stat.

- Tennessee is 6th in the SEC in pass efficiency defense.
- Tennessee is 10th in the SEC in pass yards per attempt defense.
- This has been touched on most likely, but the opponents' play selection has also contributed to that number as well.

Auburn - 7 passes, 53 rushes - passed 11.7% of the time
Missouri - 21 passes, 54 rushes - passed 28% of the time
Alabama - 28 passes, 37 rushes - passed 43.1% of the time
South Carolina - 22 passes, 42 rushes - passed 34.4% of the time
Georgia - 35 passes, 37 rushes - passed 48.6% of the time
Florida - 34 passes, 23 rushes - passed 59.6% of the time

We have only played 1 opponent who has passed more than they have ran against us.
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That may be about to change real soon. :question:
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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Well, if statistics told the whole story--I'd say that you have a reason to claim genius. But, stats NEVER tell the whole story in football...I understand what you're saying--but we just haven't been good on D this year at ANY position.

If you are really trying to tell us all that our DBs are the best pass-defending secondary in the SEC--then you truly are delusional.

Stats are extremely misleading in FB--and are only for those guys who cannot understand what they're seeing happen on the field. And they are not telling the truth about how truly bad our DBs are. Have you even watched any games?

Our DBs don't understand how to maintain outside leverage, cannot react and defend the run, give up big plays in the passing game, and exhibit poor tackling.

And I don't need stats to tell me that...:salute:
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
If this secondary was as talented as you want us to believe, then they should be number 1 in the SEC in all pass defense statistical categories. after playing 2 backup QB'S, a Georgia team whose offense was decimated with injuries, and an Auburn team who only attempted less then 10 passes.
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Are you illiterate?

If they are as "talented" as I believe... they simply aren't as bad as some abject morons attempt to claim they are. When did I EVER say anything about them being talented enough to be #1 in "all pass defense statistical categories".... that's right. I didn't say anything like that now did I?
 
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SECVolFan said:
You do realize Trevarris Saulsberry has been hurt almost all year, and has played in only one game since getting injured after the first three, right? But, by all means, keep complaining.
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Saulsberry according to reports has been healthy for weeks now.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Well, if statistics told the whole story--I'd say that you have a reason to claim genius. But, stats NEVER tell the whole story in football...I understand what you're saying--but we just haven't been good on D this year at ANY position.

If you are really trying to tell us all that our DBs are the best pass-defending secondary in the SEC--then you truly are delusional.
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Come on Mike. You are smarter than this. The point I am making is that all those sitting around claiming that the secondary is causing the D to stink are pretty far off.

Stats are extremely misleading in FB--and are only for those guys who cannot understand what they're seeing happen on the field. And they are not telling the truth about how truly bad our DBs are. Have you even watched any games?
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You know I have... and as bad as the secondary has been at times... they are probably middling in the SEC. The DL has stunk it up pretty consistently.

Our DBs don't understand how to maintain outside leverage, cannot react and defend the run, give up big plays in the passing game, and exhibit poor tackling.

And I don't need stats to tell me that...:salute:
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When DE's don't set the corner... DT's let OL's get to LB's... it is pretty weak to lay a lot of blame at the feet of the DB's for not making the run D good.
 
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sjt18 said:
Are you illiterate?

If they are as "talented" as I believe... they simply aren't as bad as some abject morons attempt to claim they are. When did I EVER say anything about them being talented enough to be #1 in "all pass defense statistical categories".... that's right. I didn't say anything like that now did I?
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Nope not illiterate.

Are you blind?

Quit looking at stupid stats, that you skew anyway you want, quit looking rival rankings when half those 4 stars kids that were signed are not here anymore. Watch the game yourself and quit being bias.

Come on man, all year you have come up with BS because you are a Dooley guy and you were wrong about him, so know you are trying hard to be right.

I guarantee you the freshmen on this team are working out, instead of checking boxes and playing cards.
 
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sjt18 said:
Saulsberry according to reports has been healthy for weeks now.
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No he hasn't. And he couldn't do any football activity for 3 weeks after the injury. You don't weigh 300, sprain a knee ligament, miss weeks of practice, then be healthy automatically.
 
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governmentmule said:
do you really think that 1 player would make that big of a difference ? depth is needed across the board
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No, that was in reference to the complaint that CBJ should be playing Sauls more. Sauls isn't being played because he was injured. I agree, we definitely need depth across the board!
 
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sjt18 said:
.... UT is currently first in the SEC against the SEC in avg yds allowed passing. Considering the last two opponents, they should finish there.

Granted the back 7 have not been great in run support and teams have sometimes not passed because they didn't have to.... but those guys have NOT been the main problem on D. Edit: UT is tied for 4th lowest number of pass attempts against them with UF. Bama, USCe, and UK have defended fewer passes. LSU and Ark avg only about one more.

Jones told the truth when he said the D would go as McCullers went... and Big Dan has very often stunk it up. The DL... not the DB's or even the "slow" LB's are the big problem with this D.
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Sorry but I have got to ask. Would you consider that good scheme then and give the coaches credit for it? I am not being smart but the defensive coaches have took a lot of heat the last few weeks and I do not believe you put out numbers like that if there is not some coaching and effort from the players.

I agree it starts up front and goes down hill from there. Once the d-line is blown off the ball the linebackers have to be there to fill the gap if they are not due to either being to slow or slow to react then a big run is given up. I have been complaining about the d-line all season and not just McCullers. Smith has had the chance to make several big plays and just whiffs on the tackle.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
No he hasn't. And he couldn't do any football activity for 3 weeks after the injury. You don't weigh 300, sprain a knee ligament, miss weeks of practice, then be healthy automatically.
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I agree when it was discussed about Couch possibly being allowed to play reports were it would take him 4-6 weeks to get into game shape.
 
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#68
You take McNeil. Out and put Kelly there that's a huge upgrade. Next year this class will provide much needed depth. In the secondary. When I see Justin Coleman get burned deep time aftèr time year after. Year. Besides his tackling he is slow
 
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sjt18 said:
Come on Mike. You are smarter than this. The point I am making is that all those sitting around claiming that the secondary is causing the D to stink are pretty far off.

You know I have... and as bad as the secondary has been at times... they are probably middling in the SEC. The DL has stunk it up pretty consistently



When DE's don't set the corner... DT's let OL's get to LB's... it is pretty weak to lay a lot of blame at the feet of the DB's for not making the run D good.
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Okay, sparky--let me tell you something. DEs are NOT responsible for setting the edge on wide running plays...they are responsible to hold their position, not get turned "in", and "string" the play out towards the sidelines which allows time for the OLBs or ILBs to pursue and make the tackle. But they can only make the tacke if either the CB or the S reads and reacts as the "force" on the edge to turn the play back in to the pursuit. Watch any game this year and see how many times they failed (DBs) to get this done.

A LOT of it is because Jancek has had us playing man coverage and teams just ran our CBs out of position. And Jancek has NOT adjusted for this ALL year (but that's another discussion).

Now granted our DEs haven't done a great job--but that's no excuse for the CB or Safeties failing to read and get their job done. It has been EXTREMELY poor play from the CBs inside the 10 yds line that has allowed every team to just waltz into the end-zone on wide running plays.

Murray's 50+ yd run up the middle of the field in the UGA game is the best example of just how pathetic BOTH of our starting Safeties are--and that includes Randolph...watch the tape--it's ALL on the Safeties!

3. I was actually at the Auburn game and our Safeties are TERRIBLE...terrible technique, terrible reads, terrible footwork....It was pathetic to actually watch...McNeil didn't even react on one play until Harris was running by him..

4. Every phase of DB was nuked by Oregon--and it wasn't just about speed--remember 4th and 8 and they hit a 45 yd bomb with NO ONE in coverage???

5. What about Mizzou--how many pass plays for > 30 yards with no DB in sight???

I could go on and on.....but the only DB we have who is SEC caliber on the field currently is Sutton...and Omari Cooper from Bama ran by him like Sutton was running in mud...Sutton I have hope for....Randolph is decent when he's coming on a run blitz, but that's it--he did get schooled against Auburn...

However, I hope the incoming freshman progress and are good enough to fill 3 positions in our 4-2-5 alignment--or that JRM has enough speed to take over one of the S positions...

Look, my friend....I'm not trying to be offensive to you. But you're wasting time trying to convince ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about FB that our DBs are even "middle of the SEC" good. (everyone but Sutton--He good!).

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GO VOLS! Beat Candy...
 
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sjt18 said:
This is my one major complaint with Jones personally. Saulsberry should play more... he's simply a better player any time he's in. I would even suspect you could slide Walls or Miller inside and get more than they're getting from McCullers. I see now why Bama passed on him.
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Saulsberry has been injured. He did something to his knee in (I think) the oregon game.

I now read that this has been addressed, but seriously, he's hurt.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Okay, sparky--let me tell you something. DEs are NOT responsible for setting the edge on wide running plays...they are responsible to hold their position, not get turned "in", and "string" the play out towards the sidelines which allows time for the OLBs or ILBs to pursue and make the tackle. But they can only make the tacke if either the CB or the S reads and reacts as the "force" on the edge to turn the play back in to the pursuit. Watch any game this year and see how many times they failed (DBs) to get this done.

A LOT of it is because Jancek has had us playing man coverage and teams just ran our CBs out of position. And Jancek has NOT adjusted for this ALL year (but that's another discussion).

Now granted our DEs haven't done a great job--but that's no excuse for the CB or Safeties failing to read and get their job done. It has been EXTREMELY poor play from the CBs inside the 10 yds line that has allowed every team to just waltz into the end-zone on wide running plays.

Murray's 50+ yd run up the middle of the field in the UGA game is the best example of just how pathetic BOTH of our starting Safeties are--and that includes Randolph...watch the tape--it's ALL on the Safeties!

3. I was actually at the Auburn game and our Safeties are TERRIBLE...terrible technique, terrible reads, terrible footwork....It was pathetic to actually watch...McNeil didn't even react on one play until Harris was running by him..

4. Every phase of DB was nuked by Oregon--and it wasn't just about speed--remember 4th and 8 and they hit a 45 yd bomb with NO ONE in coverage???

5. What about Mizzou--how many pass plays for > 30 yards with no DB in sight???

I could go on and on.....but the only DB we have who is SEC caliber on the field currently is Sutton...and Omari Cooper from Bama ran by him like Sutton was running in mud...Sutton I have hope for....Randolph is decent when he's coming on a run blitz, but that's it--he did get schooled against Auburn...

However, I hope the incoming freshman progress and are good enough to fill 3 positions in our 4-2-5 alignment--or that JRM has enough speed to take over one of the S positions...

Look, my friend....I'm not trying to be offensive to you. But you're wasting time trying to convince ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about FB that our DBs are even "middle of the SEC" good. (everyone but Sutton--He good!).

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GO VOLS! Beat Candy...
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During the Auburn game the commentators broke down several plays that showed Sapp getting schooled. He would bite on the fake every time and take himself out of position to fill the gap and stop several of the big runs. I think the secondary has been adequate when other teams run the ball but their run support has been non existent most of the year.
 
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volfan411 said:
During the Auburn game the commentators broke down several plays that showed Sapp getting schooled. He would bite on the fake every time and take himself out of position to fill the gap and stop several of the big runs. I think the secondary has been adequate when other teams run the ball but their run support has been non existent most of the year.
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Yep...and AJ completely lost the ball on a few series...

Auburn scouted us very well...they knew we were going to run a lot of man coverage--so, when they wanted to run their QB around the edge, they just had their WRs run fly patterns to take the DB covering them out of the play...and that requires SAFETIES to come up and force the ball inside or make the tackle. Auburn KNEW that our LBs and Safeties would not be able to get it done.

I don't know what "adequate" means when we've given up the huge chunks of yardage on several big plays from from EVERY opponent we've played this year.

And check almost EVERY goal line (inside the 10 yd line) situation this year against our opponents and watch the DBs....not good play at all.

That's why I said in my first post in this thread that every position on D has played poorly this year. Sutton is a bright spot to be sure, but overall--D is not good. I

It's gotten worse as the year has progressed--and that's due to lack of depth (players physically worn down and beat up by this point in the season) and lack of talent.

People forget that Saulsberry was having an OUTSTANDING game against Oregon until he hurt his knee and is not back at 100%. I expect him to play VERY WELL next year. :salute:
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Yep...and AJ completely lost the ball on a few series...

Auburn scouted us very well...they knew we were going to run a lot of man coverage--so, when they wanted to run their QB around the edge, they just had their WRs run fly patterns to take the DB covering them out of the play...and that requires SAFETIES to come up and force the ball inside or make the tackle. Auburn KNEW that our LBs and Safeties would not be able to get it done.

I don't know what "adequate" means when we've given up the huge chunks of yardage on several big plays from from EVERY opponent we've played this year.

And check almost EVERY goal line (inside the 10 yd line) situation this year against our opponents and watch the DBs....not good play at all.

That's why I said in my first post in this thread that every position on D has played poorly this year. Sutton is a bright spot to be sure, but overall--D is not good. I

It's gotten worse as the year has progressed--and that's due to lack of depth (players physically worn down and beat up by this point in the season) and lack of talent.

People forget that Saulsberry was having an OUTSTANDING game against Oregon until he hurt his knee and is not back at 100%. I expect him to play VERY WELL next year. :salute:
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I agree and I have said on numerous occasions during the season that the lack of depth is taking its toll. I heard on the radio that McCullers was playing around 60 snaps per game. I am willing to bet there is not another DT in the SEC playing near that many snaps. I do not get playing man to man as much as we do when it is a given we are not going to get pressure on the QB but Jancek seems to be set on not playing zone.

I think I mean by adequate that they done a good job of forcing turn overs in the games we were supposed to win but agree when they are faced up against more athletic WR they have not been very good.
 
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All starts up front. We get absolutely no pressure. You go as your Dline goes.. Ours went back in the early 2000's and never showed back up..
 
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