Former NFL coaches who did NOT succeed in college

#26
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PowerSweep said:
Uhh...let's see...groh, wannstedt, sherman, dowhower, gailey, henning, callahan...heck, that's off the top of my head...

Now why don't you give us all the big time successes...oh yeah, that's a shirt list of exactly one...carroll.

The track record of nfl to first college job is so bad it is unbelievable
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None of the coaches were very good in the NFL. Only Sherman had a winning record.

NFL record (college record)

Wannstedt - 82-86 (42-31)
Mike Sherman - 59-43 (25-25)
Rod Dowhower - 5-24 (9-23)
Chan Gaily - 32-44 (68-41)
Dan Henning - 38-73 (16-19)
Bill Callahan - 15-17 (27-22)

None of these coaches won a super bowl. None were wanted after their last job. None where charismatic. Gruden has much more upside because of his perceived ability to recruit and pull in top shelf recruits. Watch some of his speeches and interviews. You think he couldn't motivate 18-22 year old kids? He's have them ready to run through a brick wall.
 
#27
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rocky top buzz said:
I don't know that just being a rockstar makes gruden an instant success. Sure it helps, but if that's the main requirement lets go hire the black eyed peas to coach!
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Unfortunately, as a product of college athletics, many overrated coaches are getting much better athletes than those who are better and more qualified coaches in every aspect of the game. I suppose that is why I am always more lenient to supposed unproven coaches simply because they have half the talent that some of these others have. Coaching ability is being mired between recruiting prowess. It has always been this way though. You combine the coaching and recruiting and you get a superstar. Ahem Saban and possibly the Dayton Flyer who speaks in coastal tongues from the West.
 
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FBtime said:
None of the coaches were very good in the NFL. Only Sherman had a winning record.

NFL record (college record)

Wannstedt - 82-86 (42-31)
Mike Sherman - 59-43 (25-25)
Rod Dowhower - 5-24 (9-23)
Chan Gaily - 32-44 (68-41)
Dan Henning - 38-73 (16-19)
Bill Callahan - 15-17 (27-22)

None of these coaches won a super bowl. None were wanted after their last job. None where charismatic. Gruden has much more upside because of his perceived ability to recruit and pull in top shelf recruits. Watch some of his speeches and interviews. You think he couldn't motivate 18-22 year old kids? He's have them ready to run through a brick wall.
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Were wanted in respect to college or the league? They're all respected NFL coaches on both sides of the ball. Well, not Dowhower, he lived off the success of Gibbs.
 
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Regulator said:
I think hiring Gruden would give UT a decided, schematic advantage.
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Why do you think that? Gruden's system (at least at Tampa) was very difficult for QB's. Given the time constraints could he "dumb it down" (no offense meant) for a college qb? If he can great. If not, the O will be like watching paint dry....see 2008.
 
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bam15 said:
Were wanted in respect to college or the league? They're all respected NFL coaches on both sides of the ball. Well, not Dowhower, he lived off the success of Gibbs.
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Respected coordinators, not so much as head coaches.
 
#34
#34
How's bout the ole ball coach. That's right Steve Superior
From college, Duke, to the pro's USFL Tampa Bay Bandits where he was 35-19. Back to college, we know how that turned out. To the soap opry in DC the Redskins, where he was a failed 12 and 20.
Back to the college game, like him or not he has pumped life into a southern doormat in Columbia.

I find it funny when people talk about NFL coaches in the college game. Where do you people think these NFL coaches come from? They dont produce these guys in a factory.
Most stated in college or high school.
 
#35
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Boca Vol said:
Why do you think that? Gruden's system (at least at Tampa) was very difficult for QB's. Given the time constraints could he "dumb it down" (no offense meant) for a college qb? If he can great. If not, the O will be like watching paint dry....see 2008.
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I think he will do fine. I was just using Charlie Weis's famous line. Sadly, there is no sarcasm font.
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#36
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Zues1 said:
How's bout the ole ball coach. That's right Steve Superior
From college, Duke, to the pro's USFL Tampa Bay Bandits where he was 35-19. Back to college, we know how that turned out. To the soap opry in DC the Redskins, where he was a failed 12 and 20.
Back to the college game, like him or not he has pumped life into a southern doormat in Columbia.

I find it funny when people talk about NFL coaches in the college game. Where do you people think these NFL coaches come from? They dont produce these guys in a factory.
Most stated in college or high school.
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Not necessarily. Here in our home state you have Jeff Fisher who started in the pro's as as assistant Coach with the Bears after getting injured. And Also Mike Munchak who played for the oilers and then became an assistant when retiring.

I don't believe either of those guys ever coached on any level in college.
 
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tvolsfan said:
There are quite a few coaches who came from the NFL to college then failed. But none of those guys were successful NFL coaches. The best example I can think of is Bill Walsh, who I believe was in his 60's when he returned to Stanford.
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Bill Walsh wasn't fired from the Niners! One of the best coaches ever...on any level!
 
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PowerSweep said:
Who said we should hire a guy who was recently fired? You mentioned Patterson. He inherited a perfect situation like few inherited monson at gonzaga...he took a program w a best finish of 13th under franchione and has clearly exceeded that long after his departure.He is exactly who we should be hiring though my personal choice to be able to win without top 3 talent in sec in paul johnson
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Sorry man, but that's kind of nuts. I mean, I'd happily take Patterson, but Gruden is a far better candidate with much fewer question marks. In terms of Patterson, he's only succeeded at one place. Is he going to be able to adjust to a new environment? Is he going to be able to recruit? He's only going to win 6 or 7 games this year. Is the higher level of competition in the Big 12 showing that Patterson can't handle the pressures of competing with good programs week in week out?

Patterson definitely has more question marks than Gruden.

I won't even get in to Paul Johnson. The guy got whipped by MTSU this year. He'll probably go 6-6. My wife has family who are big Ga Tech fans and they're talking about how he should be fired. No sane person would ever hire Paul Johnson over Jon Gruden.
 
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oregonvol said:
I won't even get in to Paul Johnson. The guy got whipped by MTSU this year. He'll probably go 6-6. My wife has family who are big Ga Tech fans and they're talking about how he should be fired. No sane person would ever hire Paul Johnson over Jon Gruden.
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No, I follow GT as much as UT and PJ is not the guy to win here. I think he is much better thqn the mtsu game kets on though.
 
#43
#43
college is all about recruiting. after recruiting, it comes down to coaching.

if Gruden assembles an above average recruiting staff, the players will come. he has name recognition and nfl experience. these are two of the most important factors in recruiting success.

the biggest difference between college and the pros is that in college, a few teams will have significantly better talent on their rosters than the teams they face. with Gruden, UT gives itself a chance to regain that advantage.
 
#44
#44
Guy won multiple national championships at GaSouthern so basically his resume is tressel's pre ohio st plus taking navy from 0-11 to 10-2 and winning an acc title at GaTech...he'll play for another one next saturday..so he lost to mtsu..saban lost to uab with a lot better talent...pj is an offensive guy and would need to be paired w a solid defensive guy but unlike gruden we know his offense works (and overachieves relative to the talent) in college...we know nothing of the sort w gruden and in fact the evidence we have is not pretty...save the "it won't work in the sec" argument...it's goofy...same thing said about urban, sumlin...how many times is that going to be proven wrong? Has it ever been true anywhere? there is no offense which works in one league but not another...in 4 yrs vs very tough dawg defenses he is averaging 30 points a game
 
#45
#45
Let me understand this logic...someone who has succeeded big time in college football with what...5-6 top 10 finishes in his time there and a scheme guaranteed to work in college is more of a question mark than a guy whose nfl record offensively is, to be kind, very average, and for whom we have no evidence his O would be successful at this level, who has never recruited, and never coached in college...and yet he's much less of a question mark than patterson? You guys spank it to a poster of this guy or something?

oregonvol said:
Sorry man, but that's kind of nuts. I mean, I'd happily take Patterson, but Gruden is a far better candidate with much fewer question marks. In terms of Patterson, he's only succeeded at one place. Is he going to be able to adjust to a new environment? Is he going to be able to recruit? He's only going to win 6 or 7 games this year. Is the higher level of competition in the Big 12 showing that Patterson can't handle the pressures of competing with good programs week in week out?

Patterson definitely has more question marks than Gruden.

I won't even get in to Paul Johnson. The guy got whipped by MTSU this year. He'll probably go 6-6. My wife has family who are big Ga Tech fans and they're talking about how he should be fired. No sane person would ever hire Paul Johnson over Jon Gruden.
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#46
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PowerSweep said:
Guy won multiple national championships at GaSouthern so basically his resume is tressel's pre ohio st plus taking navy from 0-11 to 10-2 and winning an acc title at GaTech...he'll play for another one next saturday..so he lost to mtsu..saban lost to uab with a lot better talent...pj is an offensive guy and would need to be paired w a solid defensive guy but unlike gruden we know his offense works (and overachieves relative to the talent) in college...we know nothing of the sort w gruden and in fact the evidence we have is not pretty...save the "it won't work in the sec" argument...it's goofy...same thing said about urban, sumlin...how many times is that going to be proven wrong? Has it ever been true anywhere? there is no offense which works in one league but not another...in 4 yrs vs very tough dawg defenses he is averaging 30 points a game
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Come on dude. I may be the most negative person on this board about Gruden coming here but saying he wouldn't be a good hire or just isn't a good coach is silly. I'd love to have him. Paul Johnson, really. You want to retool our entire team to run the triple option. That will take years of getting our ass kicked that we don't have.
 
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#47
#47
Lol at Paul Johnson being a better hire than Gruden. You should just leave after making a statement like that because it is now impossible for anyone to take you seriously.
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Difference is I actually make a cogent argument for my case...you don't..so don't waste time with empty posts...as for "years of retooling", he's done this before...was it true at navy? GaTech? Nope...11-3, acc champs w prob the 6th-7th best talent in the league in yr 2

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Lol at Paul Johnson being a better hire than Gruden. You should just leave after making a statement like that because it is now impossible for anyone to take you seriously.
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Chan Gailey was an NFL to GA Tech back to NFL refugee. He was alright at Ga Tech, but never could find a way to beat da Dawgs, not sure if he'd count, but he's close.
 
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