Free Market is Nonsense

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Kind of a trend here. I have said all along that this admin is anti-American. And yes that includes Hussein.

I am sure Fox will get blamed for this video.

Remember he did say he wanted to "fundamentally transform this country" I think we are seeing more and more how he wanted to "transform" our country.
 
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no question. he ashamed of the exact things that have made this country great and the things that have allowed our standard of living to quickly outpace the euro countries he wants us to emulate.
 
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droski said:
no question. he ashamed of the exact things that have made this country great and the things that have allowed our standard of living to quickly outpace the euro countries he wants us to emulate.
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I think his point referring to it being all about gaming the system has merit. I don't know how you can argue that things like TARP and special interest/industry lobbying in Washington is really allowing free market economics to work. In this sense, much of what is going on really is about staying ahold of power.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think his point referring to it being all about gaming the system has merit. I don't know how you can argue that things like TARP and special interest/industry lobbying in Washington is really allowing free market economics to work. In this sense, much of what is going on really is about staying ahold of power.
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yes, but the system is still better than it is anywhere else. the mistake make by obama is assuming that since the system has flaws that means we have to go in the other direction and regulate it to death.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think his point referring to it being all about gaming the system has merit. I don't know how you can argue that things like TARP and special interest/industry lobbying in Washington is really allowing free market economics to work. In this sense, much of what is going on really is about staying ahold of power.
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It's a matter of attribution. Is the problem believing in the free market or advocating against the free market?

I think we all mostly agree that the banking mess was as much a result of policies distorting the free market as it was about actions of the free market itself.

When I hear BO and his team discuss economics, they always side on the "free market is the problem" side rather than how do we get the free market working correctly. I haven't seen anything from this administration that indicates they believe in free markets.
 
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droski said:
yes, but the system is still better than it is anywhere else. the mistake make by obama is assuming that since the system has flaws that means we have to go in the other direction and regulate it to death.
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I agree with this and VBH's point. The problem isn't about the free market philosophy, it is about getting it to work properly again. The Obama administration doesn't understand this.

But it doesn't change the fact that the system is being gamed to a point now.
 
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the system has always been gamed. it will be gamed a hell of a lot more if the gov't gets involved.
 
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droski said:
no question. he ashamed of the exact things that have made this country great and the things that have allowed our standard of living to quickly outpace the euro countries he wants us to emulate.
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What do you base this 'standard of living on' claim on? Have you lived in other countries? Are you just basing this on the presumption that the US way must be the best way?

10 days vacation PER YEAR if you're lucky.

Working more hours on average than every European country with the exception of Greece and Poland.

A murder rate far in excess of virtually every other western nation.

A healthcare system that can leave you completely uncovered if you have the misfortune to get seriously sick, and will even look for ways to end coverage.

The US is a fantastic country, but you continue to make claims with absolutely nothing to back it up. It makes you look pretty dumb. So again, I ask you, what facts do you use do make these grand claims about Europe?
 
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go back to your european paradise dip****

go google "standard of living" and get back to me. we're the richest by far on average and the cost of living here is lower than the european countries. our unemployment has been lower for decades and our gdp growth has doubled yours for decades.
 
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droski said:
go back to your european paradise dip****

go google "standard of living" and get back to me. we're the richest by far on average and the cost of living here is lower than the european countries. our unemployment has been lower for decades and our gdp growth has doubled yours for decades.
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so you're proud of 'gdp growth'. wow, you must be fun to party with!

America may be rich, yet the majority have no time to enjoy it. 10 days vacation per year?? It's pathetic. In Europe we still remember how to enjoy life. If you view everything as a $ sign then I can understand your point of view.
 
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pejp said:
so you're proud of 'gdp growth'. wow, you must be fun to party with!

America may be rich, yet the majority have no time to enjoy it. 10 days vacation per year?? It's pathetic. In Europe we still remember how to enjoy life. If you view everything as a $ sign then I can understand your point of view.
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To flip it around if "time off" is your view of standard of living I guess I'd say Jamaica has a much higher standard of living than any of our countries -- many folks there are "off" all year!
 
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pejp said:
so you're proud of 'gdp growth'. wow, you must be fun to party with!

America may be rich, yet the majority have no time to enjoy it. 10 days vacation per year?? It's pathetic. In Europe we still remember how to enjoy life. If you view everything as a $ sign then I can understand your point of view.
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Don't take this the wrong way - it's not a love it or leave it commentary but it appears you are trading $ for "enjoying life" by choosing to work in the U.S. as opposed to your home country or some other country with more vacation time and universal HC.

For some reason, we see this happen a lot. People criticize the U.S. lifestyle but hop on over to get a piece of the $ that come with it.
 
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droski said:
the system has always been gamed. it will be gamed a hell of a lot more if the gov't gets involved.
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ding, ding, ding.......several of BHO's biggest supporters are also the biggest "gamers" in the business world
 
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pejp said:
so you're proud of 'gdp growth'. wow, you must be fun to party with!

America may be rich, yet the majority have no time to enjoy it. 10 days vacation per year?? It's pathetic. In Europe we still remember how to enjoy life. If you view everything as a $ sign then I can understand your point of view.
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right. you enjoy life. you are lazy. you expect the govt to take care of you. you think that gives you a high sense of self worth? there is zero evidence to suggest euros are happier than americans. france has a higher suicide rate than america.
 
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volinbham said:
Don't take this the wrong way - it's not a love it or leave it commentary but it appears you are trading $ for "enjoying life" by choosing to work in the U.S. as opposed to your home country or some other country with more vacation time and universal HC.

For some reason, we see this happen a lot. People criticize the U.S. lifestyle but hop on over to get a piece of the $ that come with it.
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smart people want to come to america where their ambition and dreams can come true and flourish. the lazy and stupid stay in europe.
 
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volinbham said:
Don't take this the wrong way - it's not a love it or leave it commentary but it appears you are trading $ for "enjoying life" by choosing to work in the U.S. as opposed to your home country or some other country with more vacation time and universal HC.

For some reason, we see this happen a lot. People criticize the U.S. lifestyle but hop on over to get a piece of the $ that come with it.
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not at all. I was paid roughly the same in the London office, although I'd say that NY is definitely cheaper so yes my money goes slightly further here but that is not really a concern for me. I'm living here as I thought it'd be a great opportunity to live in NY and have the experience of living in the US. I'm not trading time off too much, as I was on 25 days + public hoidays in London whereas here I get 20 days + sick + 2 personal + public holidays...so I'm only really losing 3-4 days, although I'm aware that my company is generous by American standards.

I'm choosing to live here for the moment, but that doesn't mean I cant be critical of aspects that I find unappealing, particularly when someone with no experience of living in Europe can be so critical of it in such an ill informed manner. Obviously I'm reacting to that, its not like I go around criticising what is a great country. Anyway, its not like I've emigrated here. Who knows, in a couple of years I may still be here or I could be anywhere in the world.
 
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droski said:
right. you enjoy life. you are lazy. you expect the govt to take care of you. you think that gives you a high sense of self worth? there is zero evidence to suggest euros are happier than americans. france has a higher suicide rate than america.
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well they do say ignorance is bliss....
 
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who the hell says i have no experience living in europe? i lived in the south of france for 2 years.
 
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droski said:
smart people want to come to america where their ambition and dreams can come true and flourish. the lazy and stupid stay in europe.
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do you honestly believe that? Are you really that short sighted that you don't believe that it is possible to flourish anywhere else but America?? haha. Your ignorance is truly astounding.
 
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droski said:
who the hell says i have no experience living in europe? i lived in the south of france for 2 years.
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ok then, I'll take that back.

But, going back to your last point...you are saying that it is not possible to be successful anywhere but the US?
 
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pejp said:
I'm choosing to live here for the moment, but that doesn't mean I cant be critical of aspects that I find unappealing, particularly when someone with no experience of living in Europe can be so critical of it in such an ill informed manner. Obviously I'm reacting to that, its not like I go around criticising what is a great country. Anyway, its not like I've emigrated here. Who knows, in a couple of years I may still be here or I could be anywhere in the world.
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You are free to criticize all you like. I'm commenting on the generalization that $ isn't everything and that to earn $ you have to give up the free time one might have in Europe. Clearly you case doesn't support the generalization. People make choices. Suggesting that vacation time is superior to extra $ is a gross generalization.
 
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volinbham said:
You are free to criticize all you like. I'm commenting on the generalization that $ isn't everything and that to earn $ you have to give up the free time one might have in Europe. Clearly you case doesn't support the generalization. People make choices. Suggesting that vacation time is superior to extra $ is a gross generalization.
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my case does not support that, but then I know that my case is fairly unusual. I've looked at other jobs here, and I've seen companies that claim that they offer a 'generous' vacation allowance of 10 days!

I'm making the point, that 'standard of living' is not the same as 'quality of life'. To me, 2 weeks every year is not a good quality of life, but unfortunately that is the case for many many people.
 
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droski said:
yes because unemployed people are so very happy. what a loser.
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erm, where does the unemployed part come into it? Clearly someone unemployed has all the time off they want, but they are unlikely to be happy. The key is to strike a balance between work and life, and that is something that we (and I include the UK in this to an extent) could learn a lot from continental Europe about.

Clearly having a rational debate is far beyond you so I think we can leave it there.
 
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