Free throw?

[Boca Vol]

When I was growing up and played basketball, on free throws the 1st defender was on the baseline side of the big block. When and why did that change? I assume it was to give the defender closest to the goal a little more space to block out instead of getting shoved under the basket. Thanks.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

When I was growing up and played basketball, on free throws the 1st defender was on the baseline side of the big block. When and why did that change? I assume it was to give the defender closest to the goal a little more space to block out instead of getting shoved under the basket. Thanks.

It was changed 10 or 15 years ago.

I think back in the early 1970s players that were fouled were given one free throw. And then after the 7th foul there was a BONUS (now called a one plus one) foul shot awarded. Points were harder to come by so going to the FT line at all, even for just one free throw, was valued.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Another big change from about 40 years ago was adding the alternating possession arrow. After tying somebody up there used to be a jump ball at the closest of the center circle or the two free throw lines. The full circle at the FT line is now obsolete, but it remained painted on a lot of courts for several more years. The second half used to begin with a center court jump ball as well. The UT programs sold at games used to be called the “Tip Off”.

 

[KTrain]

Another big change from about 40 years ago was adding the alternating possession arrow. After tying somebody up there used to be a jump ball at the closest of the center circle or the two free throw lines. The full circle at the FT line is now obsolete, but it remained painted on a lot of courts for several more years. The second half used to begin with a center court jump ball as well. The UT programs sold at games used to begin with a called the “Tip Off”.

Those tips after every tie-up especially at your end where you where defending, when somebody the height of Z tied up a 7 footer was almost giving up a basket. The 7 footer would stand flat footed and tip it to someone near the goal for 2 points.
There were a lot of jump balls, it slowed down the game and some refs were terrible at the toss up and got worse as they tired throughout the game. Taking this out of the game was one of the best moves ever.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Those tips after every tie-up especially at your end where you where defending, when somebody the height of Z tied up a 7 footer was almost giving up a basket. The 7 footer would stand flat footed and tip it to someone near the goal for 2 points.
There were a lot of jump balls, it slowed down the game and some refs were terrible at the toss up and got worse as they tired throughout the game. Taking this out of the game was one of the best moves ever.

I don’t think they slowed the game down too much as there weren’t a whole lot of tie ups during a 40 minute game. I think the primary reasons that they were eliminated were the inaccurate tosses by the refs and also the small guys that made a defensive play by tying up the ball were never rewarded since they couldn’t win the jump balls.

 

[maxorange]

Those tips after every tie-up especially at your end where you where defending, when somebody the height of Z tied up a 7 footer was almost giving up a basket. The 7 footer would stand flat footed and tip it to someone near the goal for 2 points.
There were a lot of jump balls, it slowed down the game and some refs were terrible at the toss up and got worse as they tired throughout the game. Taking this out of the game was one of the best moves ever.

I don't recall jump balls being called as easily as today (might have been HS games, I dunno)....but sometime around this rule change, they started allowing jump balls at the slightest hint of dual possession.
I guess the alternative was a slug-fest for possession.

But....my memory may be off there.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Man you all are bringing up a lot old rules that I had forgotten about. Remember them from HS BB. Changes were for the better.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I don't recall jump balls being called as easily as today (might have been HS games, I dunno)....but sometime around this rule change, they started allowing jump balls at the slightest hint of dual possession.
I guess the alternative was a slug-fest for possession.

But....my memory may be off there.

A lot of today’s scrums for loose balls would have been whistled for traveling back in the day after a player secured possession while off his feet laying on the court.

 

[tennrich1]

Man you all are bringing up a lot old rules that I had forgotten about. Remember them from HS BB. Changes were for the better.

I was thinking recently how the girls game was originally played. 3 on the offensive end and 3 on the defensive end. When did that actually change? I know it was still in effect in 1975.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I was thinking recently how the girls game was originally played. 3 on the offensive end and 3 on the defensive end. When did that actually change? I know it was still in effect in 1975.

That’s how Holly Warlick played at Bearden. She was class of 1976. The 3 on 3 continued for many more years.

It used to be weird how awkward it was when defensive players advanced the ball to half court but had to stay on their side of the line to pass the ball to an offensive player. Which makes me wonder about some of those specific rules. When the offensive players became defenders were they not allowed to cross mid court either while pressuring the ball and what was the violation if they did step over mid court?

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

That’s how Holly Warlick played at Bearden. She was class of 1976. The 3 on 3 continued for many more years.

It used to be weird how awkward it was when defensive players advanced the ball to half court but had to stay on their side of the line to pass the ball to an offensive player. Which makes me wonder about some of those specific rules. When the offensive players became defenders were they not allowed to cross mid court either while pressuring the ball and what was the violation if they did step over mid court?

This was back in the archaic thinking days that girls couldn't play like boys.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Holly played offense BTW. Didn’t prevent her from making the 1980 Olympic team.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

There used to be a center court jump ball after every made basket until 1938. That would be brutal today.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The shot clock eliminated some hard to interpret rules. It wasn’t that long ago that 5 seconds was called if the guy dribbling was being guarded and failed to advance toward the basket within 5 seconds.

There were also sideline hash marks that had to be penetrated, I think within 5 seconds while being guarding, or the result was a turnover.

 

[VolCalls]

Those tips after every tie-up especially at your end where you where defending, when somebody the height of Z tied up a 7 footer was almost giving up a basket. The 7 footer would stand flat footed and tip it to someone near the goal for 2 points.
There were a lot of jump balls, it slowed down the game and some refs were terrible at the toss up and got worse as they tired throughout the game. Taking this out of the game was one of the best moves ever.

When I was a kid in the mid-80's playing in organized leagues they still did this after every tie-up, even though college and pro had already gone to the arrow.

 

[KTrain]

Wrong thread

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The hardest year to watch was in the mid 80s just before the shot clock. Players had 5-seconds to start dribbling (that’s still a rule or a variation of it), then the ball handler could dribble for up to 4 seconds while being guarded, and then after stopping their dribble they had 5 seconds to hold the ball before having to shoot or pass (while being guarded). And there might have still only been two refs on the floor that year. Crazy.

 

[VOLdo Raine]

There used to be a center court jump ball after every made basket until 1938. That would be brutal today.

Now that is something I did not know!

 

[VOLdo Raine]

I am old enough to remember a Dean Smith led UNC winning the ACC tournament running the “four corners” offense. Some people found it boring; I kinda enjoyed watching it play out to see if the strategy worked.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

I don’t think they slowed the game down too much as there weren’t a whole lot of tie ups during a 40 minute game. I think the primary reasons that they were eliminated were the inaccurate tosses by the refs and also the small guys that made a defensive play by tying up the ball were never rewarded since they couldn’t win the jump balls.

I have long hated the possession arrow. I can understand eliminating all those tips, especially the unbalanced ones, but the possession arrow needs to be modified. Great defense should be rewarded with something better than flipping the arrow -- the ball should simply go to whoever was on defense in the tie-up.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I am old enough to remember a Dean Smith led UNC winning the ACC tournament running the “four corners” offense. Some people found it boring; I kinda enjoyed watching it play out to see if the strategy worked.

Don Devoe ran a modified version of the 4 corners. He’s have a point guard out top with 2 players stacked at each elbow. He’d go into it with around 5 minutes left if he had a 5 or 6 point lead. It was effective. Those philosophies ushered in the shot clock (45 seconds initially in the SEC).

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I have long hated the possession arrow. I can understand eliminating all those tips, especially the unbalanced ones, but the possession arrow needs to be modified. Great defense should be rewarded with something better than flipping the arrow -- the ball should simply go to whoever was on defense in the tie-up.

That’s almost how it played out Saturday versus Bama. TN’s defense tied it up at the end but didn’t have the possession arrow. Had TN not caused the 5-seconds violation on the ensuing inbounds play TN would have possibly lost.

 

[tennrich1]

I am old enough to remember a Dean Smith led UNC winning the ACC tournament running the “four corners” offense. Some people found it boring; I kinda enjoyed watching it play out to see if the strategy worked.

The FIST offense....when the coach signaled with his raised fist...team was to go to four corners offense.

 

[tennrich1]

That’s how Holly Warlick played at Bearden. She was class of 1976. The 3 on 3 continued for many more years.

It used to be weird how awkward it was when defensive players advanced the ball to half court but had to stay on their side of the line to pass the ball to an offensive player. Which makes me wonder about some of those specific rules. When the offensive players became defenders were they not allowed to cross mid court either while pressuring the ball and what was the violation if they did step over mid court?

I was absolutely trying to remember that exact issue last night. I THINK.... once the defensive player got the ball to her offensive player in the center circle...play stopped on the defensive end. And they waited with hands on hips while their offense played on the other end of the court. Im pretty sure they could not cross the center line on either offense or defense.

 

[Boca Vol]

I am old enough to remember a Dean Smith led UNC winning the ACC tournament running the “four corners” offense. Some people found it boring; I kinda enjoyed watching it play out to see if the strategy worked.

In '73, UT beat Temple 11-6. Lots of naps in Stokely that evening.