FSU, Clemson, or X to Big XII?

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I'm seeing continuing Internet chatter that a team may peel off the ACC and head to the Big 12.

Discuss.
 
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In addition to the new ACC TV contract not being very good, there's issues like this looming:

College football -- Big 12-SEC bowl a death knell for ACC? - ESPN

Will this merger cause another round of conference expansion? It's too early to tell. But the Big 12 probably never looked better to Florida State. And how long will the Big 12 sacrifice millions of dollars in lost revenue by having only 10 teams and not playing a conference championship game?
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It is going to be something like this in about 5 years, with conference final fours, then title games. With the four champs going to the playoff. Will be awesome.

Big 12
P1- Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor
P2-Oklahoma, Kansas, K.St, Ok St.
P3-WVU, Iowa St, Louisville, South Florida
P4-Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT
SEC
P1-Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, NC St
P2-Tennessee, Virginia Tech, Kentucky, Vandy
P3-Alabama, Auburn, Miss St, Miss
P4-LSU, Ark, Tex AM, Mizzou
Big 10
P1-Penn St, Mich, Mich St, Pitt
P2-Ohio St, Northwestern, Virginia, UNC
P3-ND, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
P4-Nebraska, Minn, Wisconsin, Iowa
Pac 12
P1-Oregon, Org St, Wash, Wash St
P2-Cal, Stanford, Colorado, Colorado St
P3-Utah, BYU, Boise St, UNLV
P4-AZ, AZ St., USC, UCLA


Duke, UConn, Georgetown, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Boston College, Maryland, and the rest of the Big East bball teams for a basketball centric league that isn't involved in the Football National Championship conversation.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
Pac 12
P1-Oregon, Org St, Wash, Wash St
P2-Cal, Stanford, Colorado, Colorado St
P3-Utah, BYU, Boise St, UNLV
P4-AZ, AZ St., USC, UCLA


Duke, UConn, Georgetown, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Boston College, Maryland, and the rest of the Big East bball teams for a basketball centric league that isn't involved in the Football National Championship conversation.
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The Pac-12 will never take in BYU, Boise State or UNLV.

And Duke and Maryland will find homes. Both are too large with wealthy alumni bases and competitive in a variety of sports to be left out in the cold. For a "basketball only" school, Duke brings in the cheddar.
 
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Probably not. Too many institutional conflicts, and the Pac-12 does consider all-around athletic and academic success in addition to market share. None of the current members want to deal with BYU, and UNLV and Boise are podunk schools with little market share, poor academics and relatively non-competitive in most sports. If it doesn't happen with the Texas expansion, it ain't happening. There's nothing left in the west to conquer at this point for Larry Scott.
 
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Where there's enough smoke (RE: ACC), there's probably fire.

By and large NCAA realignment has been about forging profitable football alliances, and the ACC/Big East don't have much football.
 
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milohimself said:
Probably not. Too many institutional conflicts, and the Pac-12 does consider all-around athletic and academic success in addition to market share. None of the current members want to deal with BYU, and UNLV and Boise are podunk schools with little market share, poor academics and relatively non-competitive in most sports. If it doesn't happen with the Texas expansion, it ain't happening. There's nothing left in the west to conquer at this point for Larry Scott.
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So you think if the SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 all go to 16 team super conferences the Pac 12 would just stand by and not expand? I mean I can see that I guess, it just seems like the other 3 would command such a greater TV footprint.
 
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I think you might see Virginia Tech and NC State to the SEC. Big 12 would get FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Lousiville, and Pitt. Big 10 scoops up UNC, Duke, Maryland, UVA. I can't see those four schools seperating.

Who knows, the way geography is getting thrown out the window, the Pac 12 could get Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, and Rutgers. It will be interesting to see the end game here.
 
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Here's my best guess:

SEC - Virginia Tech, NC State

Big 10 - Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Syracuse/UConn

Big 12 - Florida St, Miami, UNC, Duke, Clemson, Maryland

Pac 12 - BYU, Boise St

*I don't think the Pac 12 will move beyond 14 teams. There simply isn't anyone in the west that is worth picking up. UNLV maybe? I think they'd take BSU because of pressure from television. However, they may will just stick with 12.

Major teams who get left out - Pitt, Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse/UConn, Louisville, South Florida, Rutgers.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
So you think if the SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 all go to 16 team super conferences the Pac 12 would just stand by and not expand? I mean I can see that I guess, it just seems like the other 3 would command such a greater TV footprint.
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Boise and byu attract eyes, but there are serious drawbacks to both.

Unlv and Colorado state have no shot of adding more to the pie than they would take out.

The PAC 12 doesn't really have anymore options.
 
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You know, I would absolutely hate to see the ACC go. I grew up in North Carolina watching ACC basketball in the 1990s when it was still shown through Jefferson Pilot on channels like CBS and ABC on weeknights, rather than all of the dumb network shows that currently air all the time. There was just a certain mystique to it. Anyhow, moving on from my nostalgic ruminations, the one thing that seems to keep being left out of this superconference talk is the Pac 12's situation. I mean, what the heck do they do? I know everybody keeps talking about the death of the ACC, and that may very well end up being the case, but seems to me like they would have better prospects than the Pac 12.
 
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Pac 12 go for Tulsa in Oklahoma and SMU in Dallas?

At least brings new TV sets....hoping the build into good football programs?

I am stretching here.
 
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