Fulmer’s legacy?

How do you view CPF’s legacy as a coach and AD?

  • Good

    Votes: 227 63.8%
  • Neutral

    Votes: 89 25.0%
  • Poor

    Votes: 48 13.5%

  • Total voters
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Like him, don't like him, either way, the man spent his entire life in service to UT. Won the first BCS National Championship. Had Coach Cut stayed he may have added more. Coach Cut seemed to push CFP.
As for the AD tenure he inherited a bad situation with the football did not improve it, made good baseball and basketball hires though.

He didn't make a baseball hire. Currie hired Tony V.

He didn't hire Barnes and nearly ran him off

He extended Holly and hired Kellie. I don't think anyone agrees those were good moves.

He extended Pruitt.

He hired Steele to give him a golden parachute

The revenue went from Top 10 to barely Top 20.

The culture of compliance had hundreds of NCAA violations and nearly 2 dozen Level 1 violations during his tenure..

Let's at least get some semblance of accuracy here....
 
I’m gonna smoked for saying this , but here it goes. Firing Fulmer in 2008, was probably the worst mistake Tennessee has ever made. It took almost 15 yrs to get a coach. I like Josh Heupel. People don’t want to hear this, but I think Johnny Majors was a good coach, but I don’t think he has the teams he did, without Fulmers Recruiting. Fulmer averaged over 40 points a game as OC under Majors! Fire away

Spot on.
 
Like him, don't like him, either way, the man spent his entire life in service to UT. Won the first BCS National Championship. Had Coach Cut stayed he may have added more. Coach Cut seemed to push CFP.
As for the AD tenure he inherited a bad situation with the football did not improve it, made good baseball and basketball hires though.
Fulmer didn't hire Barnes or Vitello
 
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I’m gonna smoked for saying this , but here it goes. Firing Fulmer in 2008, was probably the worst mistake Tennessee has ever made. It took almost 15 yrs to get a coach. I like Josh Heupel. People don’t want to hear this, but I think Johnny Majors was a good coach, but I don’t think he has the teams he did, without Fulmers Recruiting. Fulmer averaged over 40 points a game as OC under Majors! Fire away

Here is my view on Fulmer's firing..... Given the contract extension the year prior, you don't take the financial risk of firing him unless there was a clear and present upgrade out there that had high confidence they would take the job if offered.

While it is no secret I really like Kiffin as a coach, he was not an upgrade at that time. He was a drastic pivot from the norm. While I think he was and is one of the bright minds in college football, his immaturity 15 years ago stunted any gains he made.

Clawson was just a bad hire plain and simple. Given the recruiting class coming plus the weak candidates we interviewed or requested, firing him most likely had the worse impact on the program than the alternative of putting him on the clock for a 2-3 more years.

Now I will get smoked for this following comment, but Fulmer had a chance to be the bigger man and swallow his pride and could have hired Kiffin in 2017 after Currie and Schiano Sunday.... based on the coaches he went after (Mel Tucker, Jeremy Pruitt, Dave freaking Doeren), Kiffin was head and shoulders better than any of them and was one of the only competent coaches to publicly lobby for the job. Obviously so much bad blood there, but that would have been an energetic hire that the old crows in the base might have soured on, but in terms of energy and excitement among the younger fans in the base, it would have gone over great.
 
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Here is my view on Fulmer's firing..... Given the contract extension the year prior, you don't take the financial risk of firing him unless there was a clear and present upgrade out there that had high confidence they would take the job if offered.

While it is no secret I really like Kiffin as a coach, he was not an upgrade at that time. He was a drastic pivot from the norm. While I think he was and is one of the bright minds in college football, his immaturity 15 years ago stunted any gains he made.

Clawson was just a bad hire plain and simple. Given the recruiting class coming plus the weak candidates we interviewed or requested, firing him most likely had the worse impact on the program than the alternative of putting him on the clock for a 2-3 more years.

Now I will get smoked for this following comment, but Fulmer had a chance to be the bigger man and swallow his pride and could have hired Kiffin in 2017 after Currie and Schiano Sunday.... based on the coaches he went after (Mel Tucker, Jeremy Pruitt, Dave freaking Doeren), Kiffin was head and shoulders better than any of them and was one of the only competent coaches to publicly lobby for the job. Obviously so much bad blood there, but that would have been an energetic hire that the old crows in the base might have soured on, but in terms of energy and excitement among the younger fans in the base, it would have gone over great.

Kiffin was an attempt to win the press conference and boost fundraising in the Fall of 2008 (Financial Crisis). He was willing to do job for less than $2M and that is why he was considered over GP. However to agree to less than $2M, Hammy had to nuke the buyout. The rest is history....
 
Fulmer deserves to be held in high esteem. He took the core of the Majors coaching staff and moved the program to a top national championship level. Johnny was worn out when he left but he left behind a premiere SEC program. Majors' early record suffered due to the talent devastation left behind by Bill Battle who took over the SEC's top program and left Majors with the worst squad in the league. Majors should have immediately followed Dickey but Bob Woodruff made an extreme "reach" hire that ultimately failed (but on Johnny's watch). Hamilton did the same thing with Kiffin who was immature beyond comprehension and created a nightmare scenario for his equally inadequate successors. Fulmer should have not been fired without a serious game plan to move forward and he could have stabilized the program but ultimately would not have matched his run in the 1990s. UT had 2 star player alumni coaches for 35 years with Johnny and Phil - that was quite a run.

Phil's track record at AD was possibly doomed as Pruitt and Mel Tucker were his leading candidates. Greg Schiano would have been far better than either one. If my memory is correct - Kevin Steele came in to hold things together and hired Rodney Garner during his interim period. Rodney is the top man on Heupel's defensive staff in my opinion now so if that is true - Steele who also is a UT former player deserves credit for that move. Anyway Johnny is gone and should be held in high regard for taking the Tennessee job and rebuilding the program which was the toughest task in his career. Phil Fulmer deserves high esteem for assisting Majors in the rebuild and then exceeding General Neyland's legendary 1951 season with the 1998 team in addition to Peyton and the stars of the 1990s. The current UT Administration is the best ever and Heupel could equal or exceed all previous coaches but time will tell. All this is part of the SEC soap opera and Tennessee sure paid a serious price for firing its hall of fame alumni coach and deserved to wander in the football wilderness being humiliated by Vandy and Kentucky among others.

I prefer to consider Phil Fulmer the great coach rather than his brief tenure as AD which tied his fate to Pruitt. Fulmer did assist ETSU in restarting its football program and did a superb job with that assignment. Funny that a comment in this thread mentions if Phil had hired Lane Kiffin (I would not trust Kiffin with any major responsibility) but of all things Phil hired a man from Alabama to coach Tennessee football which ultimately brought him down and tarnished his legacy.
 
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Tennessee Legend -
Second greatest coach in history, and they should add his name to the stadium. Fulmer Field at Neyland Stadium.
You might not like things he did, or didn’t do- but that man is ALL VOL.

As for the Pruitt era- he did what he thought was best - trying to beat Saban at his own game. Didn’t work out.

And no one will convince me otherwise - if he were given more time, he would have had us back in the NC picture before too long.

Just my .02
Didn't he have a street named after him while he was still coach? That's enough. UT isn't going to name anything else after a guy that was fired as both a HC and then later as AD.
 
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Really have to separate the two roles. I voted "good" because of the NC and SEC championships. He failed horribly as an AD.
 
Well Dickey record at U.T. Was .738, and he took over a program that was awful.
Fulmer record was .744 and he took over a program that Majors had finally built to a conference contender almost every year. I’m old enough to remember the late 50’s and early 60’s before Dickey arrived. I’ll always hate him for leaving and I’m glad he failed at Florida.
This is the reason no other program hired Fulmer after his firing. He had never built a program and was a very average coach without Cutcliffe on the staff. I know that Majors had his own problems but Fulmer never gave Johnny credit for what he accomplished when he took over the program. He had the audacity to keep posting his personal winning percentage at the beginning of his reign but quit posting it as it went down each year. It was all about Phil's ego and not the program. I thought that if it were about the program he would have been mature enough to try to mend the fences in the program instead of promoting his own ego.

My opinion of Phil changed completely when it was evident he was undermining the AD and the program to get the AD job. That showed it was all about Phil and not the program. My prayer was that the NCAA would give him a 5-10 year separation from the program after he injured the history and reputation of Tennessee football.
 
Should have been booted after Saban and LSU knocked us out of the Rose Bowl. Then hired Saban.
I don't go that far back, but the loss to Vanderbilt in Neyland Stadium in 2005 sealed the deal. He should have been fired that weekend. We would have had a chance to have hired an excellent coach at that time. Getting Cut back in 2006 and 2007 was the only positive impetus for the program after that and even he said he could not believe the state the program was in when he returned.
 
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0-2 vs Saban the how many wins does he get if not fired probably none
2-7 vs Spurrier
3-5 vs Mark Richt
Won a lot of game in a down SEC
1-2 vs Saban. Beat LSU in 2001.

I’m aware of the stats, but I bolded the part that I did bc how many coaches have we had that have actually won a lot of games? Not many . CJH is on his way to winning a lot of games, but Phil put together a 45-5 record through 4 seasons at one point. I’m not saying Phil was perfect by any means. He clearly had his faults . I just think using Peyton Manning not winning a National Title as your reasoning is unfair. Don Shula won a Super Bowl and had a perfect season, but not w/ Dan Marino. Saban didn’t win any titles Tua or Bryce Young. Doesn’t mean they aren’t good/great.
 
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Phil brought swag to the UT in his best times. He got too complacent after his NC. A human failing a lot of us are subject unto. We have some success and presume we're invincible. Then stop doing what made us successful, or start doing things even stupid wouldn't do. So, I say, thanks Philo for some fine times. And I'm sorry you fell victim to the curse of a typical human fallacy. You are, like the rest of us, only human.
I wouldn’t say he got complacent right after, the LSU loss in Atlanta was brutal. CPF became mortified of ever getting an NCAA sanction and really tightened up the program from outside influences. Next thing you know, seniors are calling up an assistant coach in the middle of the night saying if we don’t get something to eat, we are about to do something stupid. Coach brings a sack full of Taco Bell. How well do you think those players were trying to influence recruits to come to Tennessee? Meanwhile, Ha ha clinton dix and Julio jones are driving damn near brand new cars. That’s what happened and maybe CPF stayed a little to loyal to a few assistants.
 
He is by far the most selfish, egotistical scoundrel that has ever crossed this program. He did whatever he could to screw over whoever he could in order to retain power. It started with Johnny Majors, a man who gave him his first big break, and ended with the biggest middle finger to a collegiate fanbase you could find.

After getting a super, duper friendly contract that let him establish "8 wins a year is an automatic contract extension", he became so scared Dave Clawsen would take his job that Phil sabotaged the offense intentionally so Clawsen couldn't run his show, proceeding to go 5-7 with a talented Tennessee roster. He was rightfully fired, took zero responsibility as he let his players cause a scene at the press conference (all without saying a word to restore order) and then had his team no show in Neyland that led to Tennessee losing to FREAKING WYOMING, costing a new coach a chance to get to a bowl and valuable extra practices. This occurred all while taking a $6M buyout on the way, taking no responsibility for the program's shortcomings and putting Tennessee way behind the 8 ball in the SEC.

Say what you want about John Currie, but he had a well-established head coach lined up to take over the program in Mike Leach. In a time where Tennessee fans were fuming, hurt and lost, Phil could have rallied the fanbase or offered public support to the program in a grave time of need after "Schiano Sunday". Instead, like a snake, he weaseled his way with boosters, taking advantage of a chancellor who was over her head and desperately needing some guidance. He spilled lies and led a mutiny (confirmed by Brett McMurphy) to take back power over the football, not in good faith, but because he held a grudge over being fired by an AD that had not been involved with the program in almost a decade. He then took over the AD with no actual experience how to run a modern P5 collegiate program, didn't hire a search firm to help vet or assist in the hiring of a football coach during a critical moment for the program and hired a goober that almost destroyed the program. He then let Pruitt run amok, who could have gotten us severe sanctions if Donde Plowman and Randy Boyd hadn't stepped up. Instead of doing the right thing and take responsibility for his actions, where he could leave with some dignity and with some form of a good name and retire properly, he once again made sure to line up his pockets. He took a $1M buyout and was fired but had enough pull as a former national title winning coach to disguise his firing as a retirement and took the money. Because Phil doesn't care about the University of Tennessee, he only cares about himself and his pockets. He lied about knowing what was going on as Pruitt ran rampant, breaking NCAA rules even though he guaranteed he was going to fix the football program. He had the gall to say he left the program better than what he had, which was a total lie, and couldn't take any ownership in his press conference, not once apologizing to the university or its fans for letting it get as bad as it did.

Not only that, he alienated Rick Barnes (MAYBE THE EASIEST DUDE TO DEAL WITH IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL) so bad Barnes was going to take the UCLA job WITHOUT A COUNTEROFFER. Randy Boyd and boosters actually got involved to retain Barnes because Barnes was so fed up with how Phil did his job. He hired Kelly Harper, who while a good person, had shown she could not win at a P5 school because she was a UT alum and he didn't know enough about women's basketball to know who to actually hire (and once again eschewing a search firm to assist). He did zero in terms of renovations or progress for facilities, somehow made the football program worse from the day he was hired and embarrased the program once again with the disgraceful exit of Pruitt.

He constantly suppressed his coaching staff, perpetually fearing he would get replaced because as a snake, that's how he got the job to begin with. David Cutcliffe carried his water and showed he was a mediocre coach once Cut left. He's a blight on this program and the 1998 National Title doesn't cover his sins. He squandered countless teams while the SEC was down, got his ass handed to him by Steve Spurrier year after year and then by Mark Richt and Urban Meyer. He somehow managed to win just a singular SEC title with freaking Peyton Manning as his QB and in 16 years only managed two. He's a mediocre football coach that lucked into an awesome situation that Johnny Majors built, all while incredibly lucky that David Cutcliffe/John Chavis was already on staff when he backstabbed Majors for the job.

He's a disgrace to the university and the athletic department and they should rename Phillip Fulmer Way, instead calling it David Cutcliffe Road. I hope he never gets honored at the university again. He's a selfish con artist who cared more about himself and used his status as an alumni and "aw shucks" demeanor as a ruse to step on people and destroy careers to get what he wanted.
 
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How much better does Fulmer look as a coach if Spurrier wasn’t at Florida?

How much worse would Fulmer look if anyone in the SEC outside of Florida had their **** together in the 1990's?

Once Saban, Richt, Spurrier, Miles, Meyer all came in, you saw what he was. A mediocre football coach who got covered by talent and an excellent OC in Cutcliffe.
 
His legacy will be fine because before too long, nobody is going to even remember that Fulmer: A) Had a couple of losing seasons and floundered a little at the end; or B) ever had the AD job.

I disagree. I'm a 31 year old fan who doesn't remember '98 and I will remember him forever as a wrecking ball that tried to the destroy the athletic department.
 
You know what's hilarious is that as bad as Hammy, Hart, and Currie were they each made one great coaching hire. Hammy hired Pearl, Hart hired Barnes, and (perhaps the most shocking) Currie hired Vitello.

Those are all not just good, but outstanding hires made by guys who on the whole were horrible ADs.

John Currie, in my opinion, is not a bad AD. He ****ed up the Schiano thing, I agree completely. But he had Mike Leach ready to go and on the plane to be hired until Fulmer sabotaged everything. You would think after that national debacle he would be blacklisted as an AD forever. Instead he got the Wake Forest job within three years and has done a pretty solid job since he took over.
 
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