Fulmer and 2 million+/year

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With the off and on the field issues plaguing the Tennessee Football program the last several years, it is time for change. It is pathetic for Fulmer not to truly step up and take responsibilty for the sorry state he has allowed this program to become. I would have more respect for him if he would have stood by his OC and forced the AD, Boosters to fire him. It simply indicates his selfish, anything to save his own ass attitude. If 4 million is the buy out number that has been thrown around that translates to 2 years salary. Haslam and his buddies can handle that if they wanted to. It is time to clean house, flush it out and restore discipline with integrity.
 
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If you fire a coach with one bad season this will be 10 times worse than Nebraska..who would coach at UT then?
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 24, 2005 11:12 AM
If you fire a coach with one bad season this will be 10 times worse than Nebraska..who would coach at UT then?
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Very simple, the AD presents a list of candidates to Haslam and his friends, they go over the list which could include Butch Davis, Jim Leavitt (Gators passed on him and have made a big mistake), several up and coming NFL assistants-LSU went that route w/ Saban, an existing oollege head coach- Leavitt above or a proven head coach temporarly retired-Davis above.
 
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I am 100% for Coach Fulmer at this juncture. Next year will be the put up or shut up year.






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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 24, 2005 10:12 AM
If you fire a coach with one bad season this will be 10 times worse than Nebraska..who would coach at UT then?
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Computer science graduate there "gator" fan. (Spurrier's new school he owns).



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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 24, 2005 9:12 AM
If you fire a coach with one bad season this will be 10 times worse than Nebraska..who would coach at UT then?
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The list of potential coaches lining up would be long. UT is definitely one of the top ten coaching spots in the country. No problem finding a replacement. I think Hamilton will be a better recruiter than Dickey (O'Neil,Stallings,Green, Peterson fisascos.)
 
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Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Nov 24, 2005 9:40 AM
Lovely. Another fire fulmer thread. :whistling:
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Guess this tells you "sheep" that a lot of Vol fans are sick and tired of the current HC!! :whistling:
 
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 24, 2005 12:24 PM
The list of potential coaches lining up would be long. UT is definitely one of the top ten coaching spots in the country. No problem finding a replacement. I think Hamilton will be a better recruiter than Dickey (O'Neil,Stallings,Green, Peterson fisascos.)
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UF is also..but you're not going to find a coach to follow a Legend..it just doesn't work out. Plus you think a coach would come that might get fired for having one bad season? It usually takes a lil time to establish a new system and coaching staff.
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 24, 2005 10:27 AM
UF is also..but you're not going to find a coach to follow a Legend..it just doesn't work out. Plus you think a coach would come that might get fired for having one bad season? It usually takes a lil time to establish a new system and coaching staff.

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"Legend"??? Maybe in the number of donuts that he can put away at the local Krispy Kream, but he is not on the same level as Bear, Neyland, JoPa, or even, as bad as I hate to say it, Steve Spurrier!! :cool:
 
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 24, 2005 12:34 PM
"Legend"??? Maybe in the number of donuts that he can put away at the local Krispy Kream, but he is not on the same level as Bear, Neyland, JoPa, or even, as bad as I hate to say it, Steve Spurrier!! :cool:
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Find me another coach in the country that has done what he has in the past 13 yrs or so?
 
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Let me go one record that I think it is not unreasonable to give CPF one more season, but I don't think he is a legend. I don't know how hard it would be to follow him after a losing season either. IMO there would be a long line of coaches that could follow Fulmer and be much more successful.
 
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Steve Spurrier, Bob Stoops, Pete Carrol, Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown(after this years NC), Lloyd Carr, Nick Saben, Larry Coker....... :p
 
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:lolabove:
Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 24, 2005 10:42 AM
Steve Spurrier, Bob Stoops,  Pete Carrol, Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown(after this years NC), Lloyd Carr, Nick Saben, Larry Coker....... :p
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:lolabove: For NCGATORBAIT
 
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2mil Phil says all the right things and then does the opposite. He claims "responsibility" then pours on excuse after excuse. The only way to rebuild is to "clean house" beginning with 2mil Phil!
 
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Well its been awhile since I have had a chance to put in my two cents on the latest UT woes......so here goes.

WE LOST TO VANDY!!!!!! AT HOME!!!!!!! Our players are heartless except for Arian Foster and our D-Line. The rest of the team can take that number 2 or 3 recruiting class this year and shove it. I said at the first of the year DON'T PUT MUCH IN RECRUITING NUMBERS (Example : South Carolina is 7-4 with a recruiting class boasting number 23 according to Rivals.com). I was amazed this year just how many people had us as paper champions, ESPN included. So how have we sunk so far, you may ask. Well lets see.....Coach Fulmer is just plain silly, I mean come on how can he actually help host his show and watch the game without a paperbag on his head.....just freaking embarassing......Coach Sanders......well we son't even go there.........Coach Chavis had our defense looking halfway decent up until the season started......we let UAB almost beat us the very first game.....I knew we were in trouble then......Coach Taylor has done a decent job with Foster and that's about it.....and the others I don't even care about anymore........

I am just plain sick or the CPF bandwagon!!!!! He might average 8.5 wins per season or something like that but that don't win National Championships!!!!! College is about championships and if you can't win one then you go away. Ok before you go bashing me about what I just said understand one thing......I have been thru the good times and the bad times here at UT for the past 10 years.....1998 NC GO VOLS!!!!!! Peyton Manning in his greatness even though Florida was his New England in college.....Casey Clausen and his great play and even his bad....I BELIEVE IN THIS PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE WE CAN TURN IT AROUND NEXT YEAR!!!!! I just want the NASTY attitude that we had in 1998.....I just don't think that CPF has it anymore.
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 24, 2005 12:27 PM
UF is also..but you're not going to find a coach to follow a Legend..it just doesn't work out. Plus you think a coach would come that might get fired for having one bad season? It usually takes a lil time to establish a new system and coaching staff.

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Legend, are you out of your mind, 1-NC 2-SEC does not make a legend. As for time, tell that to Weiss, Carroll, Stoops ect.
 
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Originally posted by g8terh8ter_eric@Nov 24, 2005 11:47 AM
Well its been awhile since I have had a chance to put in my two cents on the latest UT woes......so here goes.

WE LOST TO VANDY!!!!!!  AT HOME!!!!!!! Our players are heartless except for Arian Foster and our D-Line.  The rest of the team can take that number 2 or 3 recruiting class this year and shove it.  I said at the first of the year DON'T PUT MUCH IN RECRUITING NUMBERS (Example : South Carolina is 7-4 with a recruiting class boasting number 23 according to Rivals.com).  I was amazed this year just how many people had us as paper champions, ESPN included.  So how have we sunk so far, you may ask.  Well lets see.....Coach Fulmer is just plain silly, I mean come on how can he actually help host his show and watch the game without a paperbag on his head.....just freaking embarassing......Coach Sanders......well we son't even go there.........Coach Chavis had our defense looking halfway decent up until the season started......we let UAB almost beat us the very first game.....I knew we were in trouble then......Coach Taylor has done a decent job with Foster and that's about it.....and the others I don't even care about anymore........

I am just plain sick or the CPF bandwagon!!!!!  He might average 8.5 wins per season or something like that but that don't win National Championships!!!!!  College is about championships and  if you can't win one then you go away.  Ok before you go bashing me about what I just said understand one thing......I have been thru the good times and the bad times here at UT for the past 10 years.....1998 NC GO VOLS!!!!!!  Peyton Manning in his greatness even though Florida was his New England in college.....Casey Clausen and his great play and even his bad....I BELIEVE IN THIS PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE WE CAN TURN IT AROUND NEXT YEAR!!!!!  I just want the NASTY attitude that we had in 1998.....I just don't think that CPF has it anymore.
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Your "two cents" is worth more than what we got from 2 millon paid this year to CPF. By the way why don't he do a Bobby Knight and return the 2 mil. to UT. He sure didn't earn it!!
Well said friend!
 
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CPF is a long way from being a legend. First, a legend would never allow his team to go stale and especially go without any improvements through the course of a season.
I haven't seen any significant improvements with this team
during the course of the season. All I have seen or actually heard from CPF about this team are excuses he has used in the past. Excuses that are really "smoke and mirrors" to divert attention to the real problems and to divert criticism away from himself. Secondly, a legend would never boast in preseason that they were going to win the SEC championship and possibly the national championship. Thirdly, a legend would step up and take the blame for any problems instead of letting an assistant resign to take the blame for the team's shortcomings.
 
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Originally posted by secfanclub@Nov 24, 2005 4:54 PM
CPF is a long way from being a legend.  First, a legend would never allow his team to go stale and especially go without any improvements through the course of a season.             
I haven't seen any significant improvements with this team
during the course of the season.  All I have seen or actually heard from CPF about this team are excuses he has used in the past.  Excuses that are really "smoke and mirrors" to divert attention to the real problems and to divert criticism away from himself.  Secondly, a legend would never boast in preseason that they were going to win the SEC championship and possibly the national championship.  Thirdly, a legend would step up and take the blame for any problems instead of letting an assistant resign to take the blame for the team's shortcomings.
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Amen.
 
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This thread points to the real root of the problem for us fans... We have been spoiled by our success since 1989. The past 16 years (exlucing the current) have encompassed one of the most success runs in our program's history: 4 SEC titles, 1 national title, top 5 or 10 winning percentage over that time period. Unfortunately...

college football is too competitive to stay at the very top every year. Just ask Nebraksa this year, USC a few years ago, Miami in the late 90s, etc.

Now, before I'm attacked by the cheap seats, let me say that I expect and demand excellence out of our program. We have too much pride, too much tradition, too many resources and too great of a will to win for anything less. But one losing season in 16 years ain't bad. THAT BEING SAID, we should always be competitive - its arguable whether we were or not this year by virtue of an excellent defense - so 2 losing seasons in a row will not stand.

Ultimately, my point is based on Fulmers track record he gets one free pass (only one) and an opportunity to resurrect this program next year. Next year will define Fulmer's legacy. He can make the appropriate changes, i.e. instilling discipline and hiring capable assistants and letting them do their thing. If not, and we don't make any progress with the deep seeded problems we have, then I think he should go. If Fulmer is great, the VOLS will be great again next season.
 
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Originally posted by g8terh8ter_eric@Nov 24, 2005 12:47 PM
Well its been awhile since I have had a chance to put in my two cents on the latest UT woes......so here goes.

WE LOST TO VANDY!!!!!!  AT HOME!!!!!!! Our players are heartless except for Arian Foster and our D-Line.  The rest of the team can take that number 2 or 3 recruiting class this year and shove it.  I said at the first of the year DON'T PUT MUCH IN RECRUITING NUMBERS (Example : South Carolina is 7-4 with a recruiting class boasting number 23 according to Rivals.com).  I was amazed this year just how many people had us as paper champions, ESPN included.  So how have we sunk so far, you may ask.  Well lets see.....Coach Fulmer is just plain silly, I mean come on how can he actually help host his show and watch the game without a paperbag on his head.....just freaking embarassing......Coach Sanders......well we son't even go there.........Coach Chavis had our defense looking halfway decent up until the season started......we let UAB almost beat us the very first game.....I knew we were in trouble then......Coach Taylor has done a decent job with Foster and that's about it.....and the others I don't even care about anymore........

I am just plain sick or the CPF bandwagon!!!!!  He might average 8.5 wins per season or something like that but that don't win National Championships!!!!!  College is about championships and  if you can't win one then you go away.  Ok before you go bashing me about what I just said understand one thing......I have been thru the good times and the bad times here at UT for the past 10 years.....1998 NC GO VOLS!!!!!!  Peyton Manning in his greatness even though Florida was his New England in college.....Casey Clausen and his great play and even his bad....I BELIEVE IN THIS PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE WE CAN TURN IT AROUND NEXT YEAR!!!!!  I just want the NASTY attitude that we had in 1998.....I just don't think that CPF has it anymore.
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Great Post!!!!! :rock:
 
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 24, 2005 11:27 AM
Guess this tells you "sheep" that a lot of Vol fans are sick and tired of the current HC!! :whistling:
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rockydoc, you must have a serious sheep fetish as much as you talk about them :birgits_giggle:
 
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Originally posted by MyBloodRunnethOrange@Nov 24, 2005 6:28 PM
rockydoc, you must have a serious sheep fetish as much as you talk about them  :birgits_giggle:
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I wish the Indians had brought sheep to the first Thanksgiving with the Pilgrams. Now I would be stuffed with lamb instead of turkey!! :biggrin2:
 
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Originally posted by Vol 4 Life@Nov 24, 2005 8:02 PM
This thread points to the real root of the problem for us fans...  We have been spoiled by our success since 1989.  The past 16 years (exlucing the current) have encompassed one of the most success runs in our program's history: 4 SEC titles, 1 national title, top 5 or 10 winning percentage over that time period.  Unfortunately...

college football is too competitive to stay at the very top every year.  Just ask Nebraksa this year, USC a few years ago, Miami in the late 90s, etc.

Now, before I'm attacked by the cheap seats, let me say that I expect and demand excellence out of our program.  We have too much pride, too much tradition, too many resources and too great of a will to win for anything less.  But one losing season in 16 years ain't bad.  THAT BEING SAID, we should always be competitive - its arguable whether we were or not this year by virtue of an excellent defense - so 2 losing seasons in a row will not stand.

Ultimately, my point is based on Fulmers track record he gets one free pass (only one) and an opportunity to resurrect this program next year.  Next year will define Fulmer's legacy.  He can make the appropriate changes, i.e. instilling discipline and hiring capable assistants and letting them do their thing.  If not, and we don't make any progress with the deep seeded problems we have, then I think he should go.  If Fulmer is great, the VOLS will be great again next season.
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Define great?
 
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