Fulmer on the loss to Florida

#26
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lawgator1 said:
Mmmm.... I note the last paragraph, him saying the players took the challenge but did not execute correctly. And I don't see anywhere in there where he says anything about coaching decisions, game prep being inadequate in some respect, or anything of the like.

This is probably my biggest beef with Fulmer -- his refusal to fault himself. I'm not saying the loss was his fault at all. As I've said I just think Florida was better. But this constant laying of blame at the feet of the UT players is really irritating.

What do you guys think? Anyone else bothered by this?
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The way I read it it sounds like he's saying the assistant coach titled with the resposibility of the offensive linemens preperation isnt getting the job done.
 
#27
#27
No, that's not it...it's just that we are only allowed to beat Florida once every 5 years or so. :)
 
#28
#28
What about the play calling after halftime? I was thrown back to Johnny ball where we sat on a lead and didn't try to widen the gap, only tried "not to lose". In the current set-up with the clock changes, you can't afford to "waste" a series just trying to gain field position or run out the clock. In my opinion, Cutcliffe and Fulmer deserve the lion's share of the blame.
 
#29
#29
Very true...another aspect of the 2nd half is that florida started running more option than they did in the 1st half...our LB's were totally confused and the secondary bit on too many decoys. Kudos to Florida for recognizing and exposing inexperience in our defense.
 
#30
#30
Maybe Fulmer needs to get back to coaching the O line..... oh but he is too busy!!!!!

I remember when UT fans railed on Majors for not being able to consistently beat Alabama!!!!!

I wonder why those same fans do not rail on Fulmer for not being able to beat FLa regularly?
 
#31
#31
As to the portion posted to start the thread being out of context, I have no idea. I don't get that paper and didn't look it up --assumed it was the meat of what he said.

As to the point that Meyer called the RBs at Florida trash, he did that prior to the season. Now that the games are on, he brags on them because they rose to the challenge. Plus, you don't see Meyer criticizing any part of the team without also saying in the same breath (or the very next one) that he faults himself or coaching staff for some aspect of poor overall performance.

As to the notion that I shouldn't say anything because we beat you and that ought to be enough, in my mind the UT game is history and we are all looking now at the upcoming games and the season as a whole. So in my mind I wasn't relating the comments of Fulmer to the Florida game (though they obviously are related) so much as I saw them as part of his usual approach to things, which is to point fingers.

Can someone post a link or some of this quoted language you are talking about where Fulmer says he could have done something better or where he needs to improve or coach differently?
 
#32
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patrick said:
I wonder why those same fans do not rail on Fulmer for not being able to beat FLa regularly?
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Are you saying that Fulmer doesn't get criticized? Fulmer gets killed on here regularly for not beating Florida.
 
#33
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I do not believe that Fulmer is taking a beating like Majors used to.

I have already heard at least 20 times that it was only a one point loss.
 
#34
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patrick said:
I do not believe that Fulmer is taking a beating like Majors used to.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Majors got one of the longest honeymoon periods of any coach I can ever remember before he actually started winning consistently. He definitely got hammered for not beating Alabama, but he also got cut a lot of slack. I think if you put Majors' record in today's environment, he wouldn't have made it past about the 5th or 6th year of his tenure.

Battle got hammered for not beating Alabama and Auburn. Majors got hammered for not beating Alabama. Fulmer gets ripped for not beating Florida. It's just the nature of things.
 
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SyracuseVol said:
I really thought this game was lost in the offensive possessions following the 17-7 lead. Unimaginative offensive playcalling, putting ourselves in situations where Erik couldn't hurt the team. Why take your foot off the gas pedal? They were coaching scared in the 2nd half. Bad field position or not, they could have run some playaction against an aggressive UF defense that totally swallowed up the run.

Honestly, that 2nd half reminded me of the 2001 SEC Championship game against LSU. Classic Phil playing not to lose. :ermm:
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We threw the ball 19 of 35 plays in the second half. That is not conservative play calling. The fact is we needed to run the ball. We tried to run it and couldnÂ’t. If you can't run the ball in this league you will not win. We could not run, we lost. If we could have just had an average day running we win by 10 points. UF D line stepped up big time and our O line caved. That was the most disappointing part for me.

I also thought that was one of the most passive defensive called games I have ever seen chief call. That really surprised me.



 
#38
#38
LG...this is just plain wrong.

only coaching complaint i have is not coming up with an answer for Tim Tebow....that was frustrating.

the offensive problems boil down to this: UF's defensive personnel up front were better than our personnel up front on offense, period.
 
#39
#39
Somewhere in the 4th quarter had I been CPF I'dve sent word to the Oline asst coach to come to me on the sideline. I'dve leaned over and said in his ear....''uhh bud this ain't lookin too good, your explanation?'' This may seem to be a little unsophisticated for the more well spoken high brow Vol fans, but yeah I want my pound of flesh on this oline play, Id like the oline coach to answer for no running game.
 
#41
#41
I don't see anything wrong with Fulmer's comments. They are exactly true.

I also believe that the play calling when UT had the 17-7 lead was suspect. I mentioned before the game that it would be interesting to see if Cutcliffe had comlete control of the offense. At this point I'm not so sure that Fulmer didn't overrule and make those 1st and 2nd down run calls after the lead was 10 points. It just looked too much like "vintage Fulmer" to me.
 
#42
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jakez4ut said:
LG...this is just plain wrong.

only coaching complaint i have is not coming up with an answer for Tim Tebow....that was frustrating.

the offensive problems boil down to this: UF's defensive personnel up front were better than our personnel up front on offense, period.
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I agree with you that the difference in the game was that Florida's defense kept you from being able to run the ball such that the passing game steadily became weaker, and that Tebow's short runs caught you off guard and that nothing was done to adjust for it.

Only half of that is arguably coaching.

I'm just saying from an image standpoint I like it when my coach says he needs to go back and take a look at what went right and what went wrong and that it is his responsiblity to do that, not just the player's responsibility to try harder or better. I mean, they do have that responsibility. But the coaches have some, too.

Its just that when you are talking to the media and you know the players will read it, I think it matters that you portray the coaches as in the same ship as the players.
 
#43
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lawgator1 said:
I agree with you that the difference in the game was that Florida's defense kept you from being able to run the ball such that the passing game steadily became weaker, and that Tebow's short runs caught you off guard and that nothing was done to adjust for it.

Only half of that is arguably coaching.

I'm just saying from an image standpoint I like it when my coach says he needs to go back and take a look at what went right and what went wrong and that it is his responsiblity to do that, not just the player's responsibility to try harder or better. I mean, they do have that responsibility. But the coaches have some, too.

Its just that when you are talking to the media and you know the players will read it, I think it matters that you portray the coaches as in the same ship as the players.
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he made comments about pad level and not doing some fundamental things right...it's not like he came out and said, "we'd of won the game if our offensive linemen didn't suck so much".

it's inherent to the comment that the fundamentals weren't done correctly that implies the coaches need to do better...

your interpretation of the comment is just that...your interpretation....just like mine is mine...it's all in how you want to read it...but neither makes it so.
 
#44
#44
I am wondering what happened to the screen pass we only saw once...we had success with it and never saw it again.
 
#45
#45
I am wondering why we never see Coker in the game on offense. I remember him in there for the trick play and then never again. What is the deal with this?
 
#46
#46
Enough of this BS already. LG, and anyone else that watched the game knows, FU is not as good as advertised, and neither are we. In one of the biggest games of each of our season, neither played very well. We simply got our tails handed to us in the trenches, like Fulmer said. The play calling was fine, everyone of us know, to win this game, we had to eventually get some kind of run established to get the heat off of Ainge, look back at the last few series when under pressure, intentional grounding, "slinging" the ball out for anyone to catch, bring back memories? Now what happens if we give up the run, Florida keeps sending the pressure, and Ainge tosses one out there to keep from getting sacked and is intercepted and ran back for a TD, then Ainge confidence takes a dive, fans, (many of you here) begin the "Start Crompton" chant. Our O-line, after kicking Cal, supposedly one of the best D-lines in the country, all over the field, just didnt get it done, could be the FU D- line is better than we thought, but I dont think so. Still, as bad as we played, we had many opportunities to win this game. How many games have we won when we werent the best team on the field, at least 2 I can think of, LSU last year, Miami year before. Anyway, we are 2-1, Marshall is coming to Knoxville, and if Florida is as good as ESPN says they are, we should be fine for the rest of our games.
 
#47
#47
I wish we had kept the heat on FLA in the second half. We had a 10point lead on them in the third quarter and just seemed content to sit on it. I also was disappointed by the defense's play in the second half. They seemed unable to come through when we needed it most.
 
#48
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Vol_4_Life said:
I wish we had kept the heat on FLA in the second half. We had a 10point lead on them in the third quarter and just seemed content to sit on it. I also was disappointed by the defense's play in the second half. They seemed unable to come through when we needed it most.
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that seems the best summation i've seen thus far...
 
#50
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lawgator1 said:
Mmmm.... I note the last paragraph, him saying the players took the challenge but did not execute correctly. And I don't see anywhere in there where he says anything about coaching decisions, game prep being inadequate in some respect, or anything of the like.

This is probably my biggest beef with Fulmer -- his refusal to fault himself. I'm not saying the loss was his fault at all. As I've said I just think Florida was better. But this constant laying of blame at the feet of the UT players is really irritating.

What do you guys think? Anyone else bothered by this?
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You are very limited in play selection when the offensive line is getting handled as much as ours was on Saturday. Cutcliffe cannot just abandon the run altogether, and we were still getting first downs and moving the ball on drives. I think Fulmer should come out and say that the PA call that Ainge got sacked on was shoddy playcalling, however, the center and/or FB should have at least chipped that LB coming through...he was untouched!
 
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