Fulmers record (to aid the debate)

#26
#26
Originally posted by MemphisVol@Nov 19, 2005 7:53 PM
The decline is 7 years long, not just 1, though.  It includes some years with 10 wins, but the measure is how well you do in the big games against ranked opponents.  There are alot of schools with our record against unranked teams. 

What bugs me most is that the decline started immediately after Cutcliffe left; I really enjoyed despising him for announcing he was leaving right before our NC game.  Still, the likelihood of him coming back- given that, apparently he knew how to handle Phil and add a mental spark- is the main reason I'm willing to wait for the announcement.
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are you kidding me???? where are these teams and where are their fired coaches....what about auburn a couple of years ago..they had a terrible season after being ranked in the top 5 preseason...a bunch of crybabies like you idiots were calling for his job and what does auburn do the next season? go 13-0....All of you crybabies should quit your bellyaching and just realize we had a bad year. Bad years happen every once in a while and a coach who has one of the highest winning percentages out there (who coaches in the sec no less) gets to have a couple years before he gets shown the door.
 
#27
#27
Originally posted by U-T@Nov 19, 2005 6:20 PM
How about this, bandwagon?

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Only because Chris Weinke got hurt!!
 
#28
#28
Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 19, 2005 9:14 PM
Only because Chris Weinke got hurt!!
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yeah we just got lucky to get into that game huh, the other 12 wins didn't matter? :banghead: :think_not:
 
#29
#29
Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 19, 2005 8:14 PM
Only because Chris Weinke got hurt!!
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unfriggin believable I guess we paid the Arkansas QB to fumble that yr too or we would never have made it the the Fieasta bowl to begin with :crazy:
 
#30
#30
Originally posted by volmanjr@Nov 19, 2005 8:16 PM
unfriggin believable I guess we paid the Arkansas QB to fumble that yr too or we would never have made it the the Fieasta bowl to begin with :crazy:
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#31
#31
Originally posted by crazyguy@Nov 19, 2005 9:04 PM
are you kidding me???? where are these teams and where are their fired coaches....what about auburn a couple of years ago..they had a terrible season after being ranked in the top 5 preseason...a bunch of crybabies like you idiots were calling for his job and what does auburn do the next season? go 13-0....All of you crybabies should quit your bellyaching and just realize we had a bad year.  Bad years happen every once in a while and a coach who has one of the highest winning percentages out there (who coaches in the sec no less) gets to have a couple years before he gets shown the door.
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Well, I'm hardly an idiot or a crybaby, and I rarely feel the need to shout (even symbolically) to be heard. If you'd actually bothered to read any of the posts I've made you'd know that.

On the points you attempted to make amidst all the frothing:

We haven't had 1 bad year, we've been on the decline since 1999. That's 7 years.

Yes, in fact other teams have regularly beaten as many unranked teams as we have. You noticed that was the point, right- as many unranked teams? The winners of the MAC and CUSA beat as many unranked teams pretty regularly. Again the problem isn't overal W-Ls, but wins against quality teams. We're talking below the surface here, not the simplistic view Phil's pr people would prefer.

If you had read, you'd have noticed not only that Fulmer has had more than a couple of years in decline, but that I don't Fulmer to immediately "get shown the door". IMHO, and I've said it regularly and often, his problem is his "coaching team". No single coach can do it all anymore, and therefore the HC's biggest responsibility is to make sure that his collection of coaches have all the necessary ingredients. For 7 years, Fulmer's group has lacked the ability to consistently motivate the team in big (iow against ranked teams) games. If he doesn't- finally- admit that problem and fix it, then we will continue our 7 year decline.

 
#32
#32
Originally posted by MemphisVol@Nov 19, 2005 9:31 PM
Well, I'm hardly an idiot or a crybaby, and I rarely feel the need to shout (even symbolically) to be heard.  If you'd actually bothered to read any of the posts I've made you'd know that. 

it wasn't my intention to lash out at you personally, I apologize. you were just the personification of a larger group  (bold this time is to point out my comments...

On the points you attempted to make amidst all the frothing:

We haven't had 1 bad year, we've been on the decline since 1999.  That's 7 years. 

on the decline? true we haven't won a national championship but heck, we were 10-3 last year, and two of those losses came from a great Auburn team

Yes, in fact other teams have regularly beaten as many unranked teams as we have.  You noticed that was the point, right- as many unranked teams?  The winners of the MAC and CUSA beat as many unranked teams pretty regularly.  Again the problem isn't overal W-Ls, but wins against quality teams.  We're talking below the surface here, not the simplistic view Phil's pr people would prefer.
so your saying that the average SEC team is on par with the average CUSA or MAC team??

If you had read, you'd have noticed not only that Fulmer has had more than a couple of years in decline, but that I don't Fulmer to immediately "get shown the door".  IMHO, and I've said it regularly and often, his problem is his "coaching team".  No single coach can do it all anymore, and therefore the HC's biggest responsibility is to make sure that his collection of coaches have all the necessary ingredients.  For 7 years, Fulmer's group has lacked the ability to consistently motivate the team in big (iow against ranked teams) games.
If that is true then how come we have traditionally fared very well in big games on the road?? i.e. the win at miami..etc.
If he doesn't- finally- admit that problem and fix it, then we will continue our 7 year decline.
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#35
#35
Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 19, 2005 9:48 PM
Has been outcoached in every game they have played this year.
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including lsu right?
 
#36
#36
Most certainly LSU. That is when they decided to roll their Soph QB into the blitz in the endzone.
 
#37
#37
Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 19, 2005 9:52 PM
Most certainly LSU.  That is when they decided to roll their Soph QB into the blitz in the endzone.
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the QB doesn't check at the line for the blitz at all either huh.
 
#38
#38
Shouldn't have to. Shouldn't be rolling out in the endzone period. Clearly designed, and clearly a boneheaded play call.
 
#39
#39
I said the top MAC & CUSA teams beat as many unranked teams. We could go BEasy if its the conference that bothers. We weren't talking average anything, regardless- The point revolves around our 7 year decline against ranked teams. I posted the schedules and stats at the beginning of this thread if you want to check them. You've got to factor W-L records against SOS, otherwise they are an empty stat. Fulmer could have the best winning percentage all-time in football if we only played unranked teams, but who would be impressed (except the BCS)?

We don't consistently win big on the road. Instead, we've had just enough huge wins like that against Miami to 1. highlight our inconsistency and 2. make it clear the problem isn't recruiting or development but mental preperation.

The games against the great Auburn team are actually great examples of that last point. I was at the regular season game, and we lost it because we completely and totally spazzed. We more than had the talent to beat them. The SECC game showed that, since we kept it close despite fewer but critical moments of spaz.

Again, my problem with Fulmer is that he isn't providing (either personally or through his coach ensemble) mental leadership. He's not responsible for doing it himself, but he is responsible for seeing that he's got someone on staff that can do what he can't.

I just wish Trooper was more seasoned because he appears to have been exactly the kind of decision by Fulmer I'm talking about needing. The fumble-itus is proof that he's still not developed enough or high up enough in the heirarchy to make up much of the mental gap, but he's certainly got the attitude and has made some great attempts.
 
#40
#40
You're really going to blame one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a QB make on a playcall?
 
#41
#41
So the play call had nothing..... absolutely nothing to do with putting Ainge in that position?

 
#43
#43
From what I remember the middle of the o-line broke down and it was pretty much a jailbreak and Ainge threw an underhanded prayer into the middle of the field.
 
#44
#44
From what I remember he was rolling out to his left, and ran into an unblocked lineman. But it surely looked like a designed roll out to me.
 
#45
#45
Hey this isn't a slump, rebuilding year or just an off-year here. It's clear as day. This is an attitude within the players and coaches. This is a mentality issue that has infected the team. Discipline, focus, mental prep, etc. is not a down year. You can claim this is just one bad year all you want. You look at the penalties, fumbles, dropped passes, lack of effort, lack of focus, running off at the mouth in front of cameras, etc. You CANNOT attribute this to those cyclical down years that periodically kick in for some coaches. We can't succeed in any aspect of the game any more. The Defense held in there as long as possible but now it seems they are losing the will as well.

So keep defending Fulmer and this as being one little down year. It's obvious that this is far deeper than that. Until the higher ups acknowledge this, the attitude will spread and we'll see repeated down years, even more discipline problems, etc. Fulmer's had it made. He knows he's safe and then backs down on doing the things he used to to not only protect his job but to make the team a high precision football team. He chokes off a few .800 years, people are content, and the team's psychology continues to decline. if he were as good a coach as he claims he wouldn't be content with 8-9-10 win seasons. He'd be pushing them to be at least one more win better the next season. Instead he claps and smirks at pathetic acts.
 
#46
#46
Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 19, 2005 9:13 PM
You can claim this is just one bad year all you want.


And believe it...didn't we win the East last year and win 10 games before that?

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