FYI-Restaurant carry passed

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hndog609

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It annoyed me somewhat that many wanted to set this forth as a "bar carry" bill rather than the ability to carry a weapon (with permit) "where alcohol is served" but whatever.

Effective date July 14th.
 
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Further proof that state legislatures are overwhelmingly comprised of straight up fools.
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My new place is opening July 15th - "Beer and Bullets". Happy hour is 2 for 1 rounds (draft and hollowpoints).
 
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HawaiiVol said:
Guns and alcohol. Great mix!
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You may not be aware of this but you may NOT actually consume alcohol and carry. I'm not talking about a legal limit either, no drinking and carrying. Actually that rule applies in a bar or not. If you drink at home and go out packing you're still in violation.
 
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hndog609 said:
You may not be aware of this but you may NOT actually consume alcohol and carry.
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Well, that settles it. Everyone obeys the law. Thank God we stopped murder and rape by making them illegal.
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This will definitely take the old turkey shoots to the next level!
 
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hatvol96 said:
Well, that settles it. Everyone obeys the law. Thank God we stopped murder and rape by making them illegal.
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Forgive me but I'm a little confused. The people you seem to be citing (those that aren't going to be obeying the laws) are, have been and will be carrying whenever, wherever and in whatever state of mind they wish.

This only makes it legal for those that DO wish to abide by the law and were carrying legally already to go to, say, Applebees and eat dinner.
 
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anyone that gets a permit to carry a fire arm is not likely to a drunken fool or irresponsible but it is still provides an invitation for idiots to focus on gun carriers.
 
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hndog609 said:
Forgive me but I'm a little confused. The people you seem to be citing (those that aren't going to be obeying the laws) are, have been and will be carrying whenever, wherever and in whatever state of mind they wish.

This only makes it legal for those that DO wish to abide by the law and were carrying legally already to go to, say, Applebees and eat dinner.
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If someone is a big enough coward that they feel the need to carry a gun to dinner, they should go ahead and use their beloved gun to kill their agoraphobic ass.
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hatvol96 said:
If someone is a big enough coward that they feel the need to carry a gun to dinner, they should go ahead and use their beloved gun to kill their agoraphobic ass.
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Sounds like different issues to me. If it is your opinion that anyone that obtains a permit and carries a firearm is an agoraphibic coward then that can be your opinion...

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the issue of the newly passed legislation only addresses where these same people can carry. That they're carrying was already a given, that they can legally walk into a building that serves alcohol (for whatever reason) was not.
 
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hndog609 said:
Sounds like different issues to me. If it is your opinion that anyone that obtains a permit and carries a firearm is an agoraphibic coward then that can be your opinion...

BUT

the issue of the newly passed legislation only addresses where these same people can carry. That they're carrying was already a given, that they can legally walk into a building that serves alcohol (for whatever reason) was not.
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Smart bar owners will take care of this idiocy themselves. They always reserve the right to refuse service. Their liability carriers will quickly convince them denying Jim Bob from Kodak entry until he puts the .45 back in the truck is a good reason.
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OrangeEmpire said:
This is the classic example of setting yourself up for failure.
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When this legislation goes horribly awry, will the legislators man up and say: "Gee, maybe we shouldn't have disregarded the advice of every major law enforcement group in the state." Of course not. They hide behind the "Guns don't kill people..." dumbassery they always use for cover.
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hatvol96 said:
Smart bar owners will take care of this idiocy themselves. They always reserve the right to refuse service. Their liability carriers will quickly convince them denying Jim Bob from Kodak entry until he puts the .45 back in the truck is a good reason.
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This is a fact. Any business that wishes to restrict carry can obviously do so. I do want to point out though (and hope your being a lawyer you can appreciate the distinction) that saying "bar owners" isn't technically what the bill addressed. Packing into Cotton Eyed Joe is still prohibited where as of July 14th packing into Calhoun's will not. Not trying to be argumentative, just wanting be sure there's no confusion by others reading this.

I'm wondering how often this will acutally happen though. TN is nowhere near a trendsetter in this. Some states actually allow you to carry and sit right at the bar and drink. Not saying I think that's necessarily a good thing but it's a fact and I'm not aware of any particularly damning statistics in those states on the matter.
 
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I'm more concerned with them leaving the place and getting behind the wheel...
 
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This is already the law in 34 states (35 on July 17). There is no statistically supportable rationale for not letting people carry if they are not drinking. My guess is that most nightclubs are going to post "No Firearms" signs for liability purposes. At most fine dining spots you can lock your piece in the trunk, give the valet an ignition-only key, and not worry about getting mugged walking down a few dark city blocks to get to your parking spot after dinner. The real effect, which will be invisible to most of us, will be at your bar and grille type places. I guess this just means you'd all better think twice before you make a wiseass comment to the angry looking guy sipping on a cola at Chili's.
 
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It's sad that they have to specifically say in the law that if you are drinking you can't have the gun on you. That's something that should go without saying. Drinking, firearms, and public places should not intersect.
 
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