'24 GA WR Mike Matthews (Tennessee)

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ChrisVFL said:
Kid can even play defense. Name someone better….. Don’t worry , I’ll wait.
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Jaylen Wright, Dee Williams (since the ability to play both sides of the ball is your criteria?), James Pearce Jr just to name a few.

Dude hasn’t played a down vs a college defense yet. Give me a break.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Jaylen Wright, Dee Williams (since the ability to play both sides of the ball is your criteria?), James Pearce Jr just to name a few.

Dude hasn’t played a down vs a college defense yet. Give me a break.
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Give you a break? Lmao, kid, can James Pearce cover kids running 4.3 40s? He is a superstar defensively. Dee hasn’t broke the lineup on offense or Defense and is a Senior. Jaylen is a good running back but highly doubt he could play like Aaron Beasley on defense. Matthews could be our Travis Hunter tbh. But hey, you’re an expert. You just like to argue. Have seen you all over the place. Keep swinging tho.
 
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ChrisVFL said:
Give you a break? Lmao, kid, can James Pearce cover kids running 4.3 40s? He is a superstar defensively. Dee hasn’t broke the lineup on offense or Defense and is a Senior. Jaylen is a good running back but highly doubt he could play like Aaron Beasley on defense. Matthews could be our Travis Hunter tbh. But hey, you’re an expert. You just like to argue. Have seen you all over the place. Keep swinging tho.
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Yes the poster telling you to take a chill pill on calling a HS kid the best athlete on our SEC roster is the one playing “expert”. You can’t be this obtuse?

Just like Pearce can’t cover a 4.3 kid, Matthews can’t over power a 300 lb SEC OT over and over again. See how that argument makes no sense?

Dee hasn’t cracked the lineup on either side of the ball. Neither has Mike Matthews. He is in high school.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Yes the poster telling you to take a chill pill on calling a HS kid the best athlete on our SEC roster is the one playing “expert”. You can’t be this obtuse?
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Guy, I gave my honest opinion based on what I see on the Roster as of now. From a defensive standpoint and an offensive standpoint. James Pearce, as of now is the only super star I see on defense. Offensively, I don’t see anyone that really just wows me other than Dylan Sampson and I think he could be a star. As far as anyone on D or O that I think personally can play both? No, I do not see that. Matthews has all the tools that he could be great on either side of the ball. Which in that case in my opinion makes him the best athlete, for now. You can’t point out Dee, which I think is a good player, however, for the simple fact other than Special Teams, hasn’t done anything and again, is a Senior … Don’t like it, move on.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Yes the poster telling you to take a chill pill on calling a HS kid the best athlete on our SEC roster is the one playing “expert”. You can’t be this obtuse?

Just like Pearce can’t cover a 4.3 kid, Matthews can’t over power a 300 lb SEC OT over and over again. See how that argument makes no sense?

Dee hasn’t cracked the lineup on either side of the ball. Neither has Mike Matthews. He is in high school.
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There you are again….all over the place. We’ve seen you!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
 
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For the life of me I can’t figure out why so many of you like to argue unknowns as facts. EVERY player is different. Nobody knows! Sometimes marginal to good athletes come in and start day one because things click for them. Sometimes marginal athletes never see the field. Sometimes phenomenal athletes come in and dominate day one because they are physically and mentally ready for it. Sometimes even for the best athletes it takes a while. I suspect Matthews will see the field sooner rather than later, but we don’t know that for fact. As an examples, Derrick Mason was a pro bowl and border line hall of fame WR in the NFL and didn’t really play any receiver til his 3rd year and didn’t start and become really good until his 4th year in the league. Barnett didn’t look like, or test like, the best athlete on the field but he came in and started as a freshman because it clicked for him mentally and physically. Each player is different in their development.
 
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LaagerVol said:
For the life of me I can’t figure out why so many of you like to argue unknowns as facts. EVERY player is different. Nobody knows! Sometimes marginal to good athletes come in and start day one because things click for them. Sometimes marginal athletes never see the field. Sometimes phenomenal athletes come in and dominate day one because they are physically and mentally ready for it. Sometimes even for the best athletes it takes a while. I suspect Matthews will see the field sooner rather than later, but we don’t know that for fact. As an examples, Derrick Mason was a pro bowl and border line hall of fame WR in the NFL and didn’t really play any receiver til his 3rd year and didn’t start and become really good until his 4th year in the league. Barnett didn’t look like, or test like, the best athlete on the field but he came in and started as a freshman because it clicked for him mentally and physically. Each player is different in their development.
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every year there is some freshman that always gets talked up. No one like him on the roster, going to come in and take the job. rarely happens.
 
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LaagerVol said:
For the life of me I can’t figure out why so many of you like to argue unknowns as facts. EVERY player is different. Nobody knows! Sometimes marginal to good athletes come in and start day one because things click for them. Sometimes marginal athletes never see the field. Sometimes phenomenal athletes come in and dominate day one because they are physically and mentally ready for it. Sometimes even for the best athletes it takes a while. I suspect Matthews will see the field sooner rather than later, but we don’t know that for fact. As an examples, Derrick Mason was a pro bowl and border line hall of fame WR in the NFL and didn’t really play any receiver til his 3rd year and didn’t start and become really good until his 4th year in the league. Barnett didn’t look like, or test like, the best athlete on the field but he came in and started as a freshman because it clicked for him mentally and physically. Each player is different in their development.
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Derrick Mason is a borderline Hall of Fame WR? I don't think so. He was a good, solid NFL wide receiver, but I don't think he was anywhere near a HOF WR. He only made 2 Pro Bowls his entire career.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Yes the poster telling you to take a chill pill on calling a HS kid the best athlete on our SEC roster is the one playing “expert”. You can’t be this obtuse?

Just like Pearce can’t cover a 4.3 kid, Matthews can’t over power a 300 lb SEC OT over and over again. See how that argument makes no sense?

Dee hasn’t cracked the lineup on either side of the ball. Neither has Mike Matthews. He is in high school.
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You are overthinking it. Skill positions, not Dline or OLine…….Yes, DBs would handle the ball more in general than the Dline.
 
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Vol423 said:
Derrick Mason is a borderline Hall of Fame WR? I don't think so. He was a good, solid NFL wide receiver, but I don't think he was anywhere near a HOF WR. He only made 2 Pro Bowls his entire career.
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Ok, maybe not HOF. 19th all time in receptions and 28th all time in yards. Point stands, he didn’t make an impact as a WR til year 4 in the league. Every player is different.
 
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Vol423 said:
Derrick Mason is a borderline Hall of Fame WR? I don't think so. He was a good, solid NFL wide receiver, but I don't think he was anywhere near a HOF WR. He only made 2 Pro Bowls his entire career.
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Derrick Mason is 28th all time in receiving yards with 12,061 and was also a pro bowl level punt and kick returner early in his career.

He is easily a HOFamer. He was just extremely underrated.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Ok, maybe not HOF. 19th all time in receptions and 28th all time in yards. Point stands, he didn’t make an impact as a WR til year 4 in the league. Every player is different.
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He did as a punt and kick returner immediately. He was one of the best in the league at that before they finally decided to throw him the ball more.

I blame the Titans and their hatred of offense on the fact he didn't get the ball more early. I'm sure he needed some development, but the Titans just didn't throw the ball much period until 2001. That's when he started to blow up.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Derrick Mason is 28th all time in receiving yards with 12,061 and was also a pro bowl level punt and kick returner early in his career.

He is easily a HOFamer. He was just extremely underrated.
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As I said before, Derrick Mason was good, solid NFL wide receiver. However, at no point in his career was he generally considered a Top 5 WR in the league. In my opinion, you need to be a Top 5 WR in the league for a good 5-10 years to be a HOF WR. He is not a HOF wide receiver.

Here is a link to the list of all 173 modern-era HOF nominees for 2024 induction. 19 total modern-era players will be chosen as Finalists.

173 modern-era nominees announced for Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2024

www.nfl.com

Here are the list of 23 modern-era nominees for WR. There are AT LEAST 10-12 wide receivers on this list that I would choose over Derrick Mason, and this list will continue to grow every year as more WR's retire.

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Vol423 said:
As I said before, Derrick Mason was good, solid NFL wide receiver. However, at no point in his career was he generally considered a Top 5 WR in the league. In my opinion, you need to be a Top 5 WR in the league for a good 5-10 years to be a HOF WR. He is not a HOF wide receiver.
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No one is saying he's HOF

But borderline? Absolutely.

He probably would have been a HOF had he played on super bowl winning teams.

He did all that playing for run first teams. But still he's definitely borderline.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
He did as a punt and kick returner immediately. He was one of the best in the league at that before they finally decided to throw him the ball more.

I blame the Titans and their hatred of offense on the fact he didn't get the ball more early. I'm sure he needed some development, but the Titans just didn't throw the ball much period until 2001. That's when he started to blow up.
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He didn’t make much of an impact in the punt return game until his 2nd year (1998), kickoff returns in his 3rd year (1999) and receiving in his 3rd years (2000)
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
No one is saying he's HOF

But borderline? Absolutely.

He probably would have been a HOF had he played on super bowl winning teams.

He did all that playing for run first teams. But still he's definitely borderline.
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Derrick Mason is 28th all time in receiving yards with 12,061 and was also a pro bowl level punt and kick returner early in his career.

He is easily a HOFamer. He was just extremely underrated.
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Vol423 said:
As I said before, Derrick Mason was good, solid NFL wide receiver. However, at no point in his career was he generally considered a Top 5 WR in the league. In my opinion, you need to be a Top 5 WR in the league for a good 5-10 years to be a HOF WR. He is not a HOF wide receiver.

Here is a link to the list of all 173 modern-era HOF nominees for 2024 induction. 19 total modern-era players will be chosen as Finalists.

173 modern-era nominees announced for Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2024

www.nfl.com

Here are the list of 23 modern-era nominees for WR. There are AT LEAST 10-12 wide receivers on this list that I would choose over Derrick Mason, and this list will continue to grow every year as more WR's retire.

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He was better than “solid”, and that wasn’t the point anyway. Point was, he had a very productive NFL career but wasn’t ready as a WR until year 4. Every player develops differently and it’s senseless to definitively argue that a HS senior is gonna be a starter in college his freshman year, and conversely it’s senseless to argue that he definitely won’t be a starter. And absolutely ridiculous to assert that if he isn’t a starter immediately that he is either a bust or isn’t being developed properly.

People are crazy
 
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