Game Thread: #11 Lady Vols at #18 Fla St; Thurs Nov 9, 6PM

[Voltopia]

I think she may have stayed in longer if she hadn't got that technical for taunting. I would have overlooked it Kellie seldom overlooks anything like that as she took her out and we didn't see her again.

If that's the reason Tennessee kept Darby out, I would wholly disagree with it. I'm not saying my opinion counts beyond my own nose, but that seems an absolutely archaic and stubborn reaction - especially if the tone afterward was "you could have helped the team but your actions kept you on the bench." She made the mistake, she got the technical, the penalty was assessed, so keep playing. Heaven forbid they show a little fire fighting their way back into the game.

 

[Volfan2012]

If that's the reason Tennessee kept Darby out, I would wholly disagree with it. I'm not saying my opinion counts beyond my own nose, but that seems an absolutely archaic and stubborn reaction - especially if the tone afterward was "you could have helped the team but your actions kept you on the bench." She made the mistake, she got the technical, the penalty was assessed, so keep playing. Heaven forbid they show a little fire fighting their way back into the game.

Don't know if that is the reason. Just know she went out right there and never returned. She was playing well for that 10 minutes ended with 10 points and 9 rebounds in 17 minutes.

 

[Voltopia]

Don't know if that is the reason. Just know she went out right there and never returned. She was playing well for that 10 minutes ended with 10 points and 9 rebounds in 17 minutes.

Word, I don't know either, but I had a similar thought in the fourth. She came in, was nailing shots, and then - nothing. Especially when Tennessee needed points there at the end, if you can't stop FSU anyway, then why not put your best shooters out there in certain situations?

But as you said, none of us know, and I certainly I have no insider information. I just know that if that's what happened I would be thrownig popcorn from the stands.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Yeah but her offense is limited, she's got the opposite problem that Kellie has, so I don't know about her as our head coach Now replace Jon with her? I'd support it!

Do you really believe whole heartedly that our offense is elite >? Or we just have an elite scorer in Rickea who saves the day majority of the time ?

 

[Majors]

Not making excuses as none are needed. Just pointing out the TO logic failure for those such as yourself who want to kick and cry about coach’s decisions.
So good luck with your church league sixth graders this year! Come on!!

The dribble down, waste clock, give to Rickea because when in doubt and no set play go with the star. TO didn’t lose the game, coaching decisions and free throws lost the game. Don’t stay in the zone and let them bombs 3’s and the TO isn’t an issue.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Her defense was better against Florida State last year held them to 70 problem was her offense only scored 57. She had numerous other games where her team couldn't score enough to win. It is a double edged sword you need both and neither Duke or Tennessee has both each has one,

Defense wins championships our offense looked lost a lot last night especially end of quarter situations . Ill take a great defense up 3 with 30 seconds to go versus a great offense half the time any day.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Not making excuses as none are needed. Just pointing out the TO logic failure for those such as yourself who want to kick and cry about coach’s decisions.
So good luck with your church league sixth graders this year! Come on!!

Church league coaches would have called a time out and not take it to the locker room with her/his team down 1. That's obvious , just as that church league coach or whoever the hell your referencing would NOT have played zone up 3 after a team lit them up for 10 three pointers previously. Man up and live with a 2 pointer then get fouled and win the game at the free throw line.

 

[Volfan2012]

Defense wins championships our offense looked lost a lot last night especially end of quarter situations . Ill take a great defense up 3 with 30 seconds to go versus a great offense half the time any day.

Really hard for me to accept that our offense was lost since we scored 91 and shot 50 percent from both the field overall and the three point line. I can concede the defense is not very good. The end of the quarter situations you have to run it down to ten seconds and hope you get a decent shot as you can't allow time for them to get up another shot. We need to work on what were going to do in that 10 seconds cause those were bad possessions.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

A lot of posters want to blame everybody else on this team but the staff. Using darby as a scape goat is immature . We did not lose the game over a technical foul , you have to see the game know the game and dig deeper to understand why we lost this one.Hurts yes , but im growing exhausted with losing big games like these under this regime. Can we at least win one out of 20 ?

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Really hard for me to accept that our offense was lost since we scored 91 and shot 50 percent from both the field overall and the three point line. I can concede the defense is not very good. The end of the quarter situations you have to run it down to ten seconds and hope you get a decent shot as you can't allow time for them to get up another shot. We need to work on what were going to do in that 10 seconds cause those were bad possessions.

That first quarter our offense was lost we found our groove in the 2nd and end of 3rd but it was not consistent enough to consider Elite offense imo. We just have a special player .

 

[lvocd]

Yeah, losing by one point after buckling down and having the guts and the focus to erase a 16-point deficit was heartbreaking, for sure. But I'm really proud of the team for never giving up. We had our chances to win, but came up just one bucket short. Ya gotta feel bad for the players, 'cause that loss is likely to be one of those they never forget. They came thaaaaaaaat close to winning!

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Starting Line up going forward should be

Powell
Spear
Puckett
Jackson
Hollingshead

This group brought us back each time and gave us the lead in the 4th. TK is not ready and it sucks to watch her regress this much , Wells is not ready she seems like a dear in headlights or still at belmont with her 1 on 1 plays . She needs to facilitate a bit better to be impactful. Darby should be our 6th man off the bench then Kaiya for Defense , Striplin should not play Center she hurts us a lot at that position i would not mind seeing her at PF with Hollingshead at C at some point this season .

 

[Volfan2012]

A lot of poster want to blame everybody else on this team but the staff. Using darby as a scape goat is immature . We did not lose the game over a technical foul , you have to see the game know the game and dig deeper to understand why we lost this one.Hurts yes , but im growing exhausted with losing big games like these under this regime. Can we at least win one out of 20 ?

I've got plenty of blame for the staff in this loss. This is the year for her to do better JMO. I can't judge if she will do it with this one point loss to a team that never loses at home. I can form a better decision when we've played more games this season. I agree she should be on the clock this season to move this program along. We can't play this type of defense. We have to find a defense that these players can play decently.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Where is Caribou Mudkatt i need his/her's game summary to find a bit of humor in this loss please lol

 

[LVsinceJV]

Do you really believe whole heartedly that our offense is elite >? Or we just have an elite scorer in Rickea who saves the day majority of the time ?

What I believe is that Kellie Harper has a ceiling as a coach that is lower than the hopes and expectations most of us have for this program. Same with Kara Lawson. I could be wrong, but this is how it appears to me at this time.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

What I believe is that Kellie Harper has a ceiling as a coach that is lower than the hopes and expectations most of us have for this program. Same with Kara Lawson. I could be wrong, but this is how it appears to me at this time.

What about Jeff Walz ? I like how people not saying you directly cherry picked the post and ran with lawson when i named Walz first lol

 

[Volfan2012]

What I believe is that Kellie Harper has a ceiling as a coach that is lower than the hopes and expectations most of us have for this program. Same with Kara Lawson. I could be wrong, but this is how it appears to me at this time.

I think you are right and although I wanted it to be different and feel there still may be time this year should be totally about how the program should move forward with Kellie or in another direction.

 

[xtpsrh08123]

What I believe is that Kellie Harper has a ceiling as a coach that is lower than the hopes and expectations most of us have for this program. Same with Kara Lawson. I could be wrong, but this is how it appears to me at this time.

Someone needs to Pin this post.

 

[KTrain]

Defense wins championships our offense looked lost a lot last night especially end of quarter situations . Ill take a great defense up 3 with 30 seconds to go versus a great offense half the time any day.

FSU went 5 minutes without a score was that ineptitude by them or was the D better in that time. If the D was not a factor, then maybe the 1st Q high shooting % especially on 3s was just lucky. I mean if FSU fans are over there on their board they could be saying.
1. If we hadn't shot out of our A.. the 1st Q we would have lost this game going away. or
2. If we just hadn't went into a funk in the Q3 we win this game by double figures.

 

[LVsinceJV]

What about Jeff Walz ? I like how people not saying you directly cherry picked the post and ran with lawson when i named Walz first lol

I don't like Jeff Walz and wouldn't want him for this program, but I didn't quote him because he doesn't have the glaring limitations that Lawson has. With that said, he's never won a championship either.

 

[Volfan2012]

FSU went 5 minutes without a score was that ineptitude by them or was the D better in that time. If the D was not a factor, then maybe the 1st Q high shooting % especially on 3s was just lucky. I mean if FSU fans are over there on their board they could be saying.
1. If we hadn't shot out of our A.. the 1st Q we would have lost this game going away. or
2. If we just hadn't went into a funk in the Q3 we win this game by double figures.

We seemed to get in a fairly good groove both offense and defense when we had Darby in and both point guards. For some reason we broke that up. Other than that about 8 minutes we were inept on defense as far as allowing open looks and they were great at making almost all of them.

 

[madtownvol]

Geez, blame game after a razor thin loss to a good team on the road? The LVs got the shot they wanted to win the game. RJ had been torching them and just came up one shot short but then Spear got the rebound but missed at the rim.

RJ had an all-american caliber game. Spears was good but there is clearly more in the tank. Powell looks much improved. Puckett is playing with confidence. Tess made plays (that was an incredibly soft technical). The team showed great competitive character to battle back and take the lead.

Yes, they had some execution flaws down the stretch but overall it was a heck of an offensive performance. We have to remember that wells is only in her 2nd game running the point for the team. She is going to get better with each outing.

On the defensive side, the reality of today's game is that teams who can spread the floor with shooters are hard to guard and if they are hot, they will score. Tennessee did the exact same thing to A&M.

The LVs's 10 for 20 is generally a game they win but A&M when 13-22 (almost 60%) and 6-8 in the 1st quater.

After a slow start, the LVs dominated the boards.

This game is one where subpar FT shooting really made the difference. The LVs should have had a little more separation down the stretch.

 

[leopard20]

Powell had Darby set up for the 3 and tried to take it herself

lack of basketball IQ & not remembering plays

 

[Majors]

Not making excuses as none are needed. Just pointing out the TO logic failure for those such as yourself who want to kick and cry about coach’s decisions.
So good luck with your church league sixth graders this year! Come on!!

Don’t knock sixth graders or the coaches….that’s our recruiting wheelhouse.

 

[glv98]

Anyone think this tweet with this accountability would have happened a year ago at this time?
While we obviously wouldn't have been close without her, there's another play besides the last missed shot that I believe hurt us first and most. The missed chippie followed by the frustration foul was a big blow. Wouldn't have needed the last second shot without that. Of course there were many missed layups and unwise fouls before and as always, RJ was spectacular to watch. She'll bounce back.

Only the "stars" and NIL champs get to do in-your-face taunting without repercussions from refs.

When they do it, it becomes viral ESPN highlights and is called "moving the game forward."

C'est la vie.

It's a point of emphasis this year after things got so out of hand last year. They were warned. In the LSU loss, the refs were having a chat w Angel within the first 3 mins of the game and she shut her act down. And yes, it was a friendly reminder and not a tech.

BC it's so wildly uncharacteristic of Tess (only Edie getting one for taunting would surprise me more) I rewatched closely. Almost every urban legend going around on that play is wrong.

Tess actually did deserve the T, she only got routinely hacked on the arm and went right in the FSU players face with a purpose. I think it stemmed fm a play earlier where Tess bumped Bonner pretty hard accidently, offered her hand to help her up and got rejected and got the stink eye to boot. Whatever, Tess must have had an out of body experience bc it was so very unlike her to in-the-face taunt.

Also, that play was not really a momentum killer. We swapped fts and it cut the lead to 3, but we built it back to 5 or 6 early in the 4th qtr.

I think she may have stayed in longer if she hadn't got that technical for taunting. I would have overlooked it Kellie seldom overlooks anything like that as she took her out and we didn't see her again.

Don't know if that is the reason. Just know she went out right there and never returned. She was playing well for that 10 minutes ended with 10 points and 9 rebounds in 17 minutes.

And for the last myth buster, Tess did not get taken right out; in fact, she played the remaining 2 mins or so of the 3rd and 3 or 4 mins of the 4th before being subbed out by Sara. So she was not being punished. While KJH is strict about those things and it certainly was a big mistake, it's the first time Tess has done anything remotely like this. I'm sure she is punishing herself enough.