Game Thread: #23/24 TENNESSEE VS. #1/1 STANFORD

#187
#187
27 point loss. Eeeek. Not good. I guess this is gonna be one of those years for both basketball teams. Better times ahead I would think.
 
#189
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PG1 said:
OK. You are right she has played well against Col St and Air Force.
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As have our other players. I’m agreeing she’s not great, but as are the majority of our players vs good competition. However one game doesn’t mean she’s individually good or bad. We just need better players in general.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
Tennessee 46 Stanford 71 4th quarter 2:38 to go the team is playing like it wants to go home. Right now I call a timeout and I challenge my team to leave this court like they're going to enter the next court. I challenge them to give their best effort right now while there's nothing to play for
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I really think that KJH has to rethink her sub scheme. This is not working like it did at Mo State. She needs to, somehow, find a solid five and go with it most of the time. She is trying far too many variables. As she is doing it now will not work against top competition. Simply put this is not the Missouri Valley Conference.
 
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teacherdean said:
I really think that KJH has to rethink her sub scheme. This is not working like it did at Mo State. She needs to, somehow, find a solid five and go with it most of the time. She is trying far too many variables. As she is doing it now will not work against top competition. Simply put this is not the Missouri Valley Conference.
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She played Stanford close in the NCAA tournament just last season with Missouri Valley players and now they’re ranked in the top 15-20 which is very impressive for that level. She knows what she’s doing. Going to take time (years).
 
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GameTime said:
Sounds like we are looking fairly ugly about now....

Coach what are the positives you see?
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The good:
  • Until garbage minutes, we were playing very good defense against a team known for offense.
  • The things I covered in the opening of the gamethread were taken care of (Until the garbage minutes )...No drop-passes into a rolling post,,double teaming Kiana before she got to the arc,,,all but one player held to 11 or less...A Kamera citing. She is beginning to shoot the "Bill Laimbeer'elbow jumper with consistency...
The bad:
  • Flow that was effortless in the opening quarter disappeared in the 2nd qtr, on
  • No "teaching moments" in this game,,,with the game running away like it was,there was ample opportunity for teacvhing moments
SGMVols said:
Starting to feel like this is going to be first LV team to miss the tournament. They don‘t have a single quality win in non-conference. The ND win was clearly more about them being awful than this team turning a corner.
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Actually, I look forward to the SEC run...I think this team will be more comfortable playing teams they are familiar with.

JohnnyPayne said:
She’s been playing well. Don’t overreact. Shooting is a much bigger problem. Hard to win when you don’t have players that can shoot.
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There are drills for shooting
 
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teacherdean said:
I really think that KJH has to rethink her sub scheme. This is not working like it did at Mo State. She needs to, somehow, find a solid five and go with it most of the time. She is trying far too many variables. As she is doing it now will not work against top competition. Simply put this is not the Missouri Valley Conference.
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There is a time for mass substitutions (confirmed blowouts, either way..against teams that you are favored heavily against

There is a time for frequent substitutions (tired)

There is a time to take your best athletes and most productive players and play them until the game's decided (TX, Stanford, UconN)

I believe in using your entire roster but I also believe that when it's time to focus on winning versus just having a learning experience you have to change your processes.
When I did Mass substitutions the players and I always had a agreement that if the game was within six points in the last 5 minutes that's when I get to coach. So they did their best to always keep the score above 6 Points so they could continue to enjoy freedom and equal floor time.
 
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Decker Moss said:
I know. I guess I just didn’t realize how bad off we have actually become.
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Really? I think it is becoming clearer that the idea that this team would be better without Evina was laughably wrong. Add to her exit, the transfer of Collins and the injury to Zaay and the LVs have taken a massive talent hit.

We have one very good player in Rennia and a talented freshman in Horston but she is wildly inconsistent. When Rennia is not on the court, this team offense threat really drops. The rest of the rotation are not quite ready for prime time. Rae and Key both fall into the "have potential but..." category and how much they progress this season remains an open and very important question.

KK is fine against smaller players but beyond that...

Jazz is a good game manager type point guard but this team needs more than that right now. {I expect Jazz to become a really good PG by her senior season year but her current limitations will take time to resolve]

Honestly, the rest of the line-up is not ready for top tier competition. Rennie, McCoy, Brown are, at best, mid-major caliber players.

When Kellie goes to the bench, the talent gap goes from large but perhaps manageable on a really good night (per our starting line-up, though I would use Rae or even Harris over Brown) to one that is not able to compete against top 20 opponents.

There is no quick fix to this situation. But I think Kellie is going to have to realize that she does not have the players to do all encompassing rotations against tough opponents. She has seven players that (on a really good night) have a chance to at least stay in the game defensively and hope that Davis or Horston go off in a big way:

Rennia, Jordan, Tamari, Jazz, Rae, Kam, and KK.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
It’s going to be a long season. I did expect a 20 point loss against Stanford.
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It will not be a long season if Coach Kellie and her staff can solve the offensive problem. I believe the LVs can be a better offensive team if Kellie is willing to limit her substitutions to necessity only. She needs to start the best starting five from an offensive point of view and let them play each for an minimum of 30 minutes. I am not placing the offensive problem on Brown, but why is she starting? I know this is a radical change of scheme but a radical problem needs a radical solution. Coach Kellie is the Lady Vols coach. This is my opinion from a fan point of view.
 
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In years past I got soooooo tired of reading posts from well-meaning Lady Vols fans saying, “Next year we’ll be much better!” Those words became fairly nauseating to me because I had no confidence that the players in ANY year would be provided with the tools necessary to raise the level of play the next season regardless of which new sure-thing star recruits were going to be added.

But those words would no longer make me cringe because I actually do feel confident that next year, in fact, WILL be better.

As has been said many, many times by Kellie and dozens of posters on message boards, this season is going to be one that requires a great deal of patience and understanding on the part of everyone inside and outside of the program.

The staff is taking a long view at the program, choosing to approach the rebuild methodically, deliberately taking it slow while players old and new learn literally EVERYTHING from scratch.

Obviously it’s a lot of work. A helluva lot. Remember the shambles the program was left it? I do. So only 10 games into the next season while missing what would have been three key players from last year (Zaay, Westbrook and Collins), I’m pleased for this team that they gave #1 Stanford a competitive first quarter.

I think that first quarter is something Tennessee can build on.
 
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madtownvol said:
Really? I think it is becoming clearer that the idea that this team would be better without Evina was laughably wrong. Add to her exit, the transfer of Collins and the injury to Zaay and the LVs have taken a massive talent hit.

We have one very good player in Rennia and a talented freshman in Horston but she is widely inconsistent. When Rennia is not on the court, this team offense threat really drops. The rest of the rotation are not quite ready for prime time. Rae and Key both fall into the have potential but category and how much they progress this season remains an open and very important question.

KK is fine against smaller players but beyond that...

Jazz is a good game manager type point guard but this team needs more than that right now. {I expect Jazz to become a really good PG by her season year but her current limitations will take time to resolve]

Honestly, the rest of the line-up is not ready for top tier competition. Rennie, McCoy, Brown are, at best, mid-major caliber players.

When Kellie goes to the bench, the talent gap goes from large but perhaps manageable on a really good night (per our starting line-up, though I would use Rae or even Harris over Brown) to one that is not able to compete against top 20 opponents.

There is no quick fix to this. But I think Kellie is going to have to realize that she does not have the players to do all encompassing rotations against tough opponents. She has seven players that (on a really good night) have a chance to at least stay in the game defensively and hope that Davis or Horston go off in a big way:

Rennia, Jordan, Tamari, Jazz, Rae, Kam, and KK.
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Madtownvol, as always you hit the nail on the head in your analysis. I tried to do this in my post but I failed miserably in comparison to your post.
 
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lvocd said:
In years past I got soooooo tired of reading posts from well-meaning Lady Vols fans saying, “Next year we’ll be much better!” Those words became fairly nauseating to me because I had no confidence that the players in ANY year would be provided with the tools necessary to raise the level of play the next season regardless of which new sure-thing star recruits were going to be added.

But those words would no longer make me cringe because I actually do feel confident that next year, in fact, WILL be better.

As has been said many, many times by Kellie and dozens of posters on message boards, this season is going to be one that requires a great deal of patience and understanding on the part of everyone inside and outside of the program.

The staff is taking a long view at the program, choosing to approach the rebuild methodically, deliberately taking it slow while players old and new learn literally EVERYTHING from scratch.

Obviously it’s a lot of work. A helluva lot. Remember the shambles the program was left it? I do. So only 10 games into the next season while missing what would have been three key players from last year (Zaay, Westbrook and Collins), I’m pleased for this team that they gave #1 Stanford a competitive first quarter.

I think that first quarter is something Tennessee can build on.
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I think you meant second quarter.
 
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