Game Thread: Lady Vols v UCONN; Thurs. 8PM; on ESPN

[GameTime]

GT, the most telling thing is that Lobo Does Not notice that the unconn player pulls down Rickea in an arm lock when it is absolutely and clearly visibile in the slow mo replay.

Al, she was so UConn biased she didn't notice that Edwards pulled Jackson down first on top of her; hooked arm....It's all there to see, but Lobo the mouth kept going on and on like Jackson was the fault in the first place...

It was just basic basketball...It happens all the time...Edwards made a move and got away with it, well sort of...

 

[ncteacher88]

LOL, these are great scorers no doubt, but if, and I really mean this, we escape the injury bug we have had the last few years, we will have Bueckers, Fudd, DuCharme, along with Ashlynn Shade, K K Arnold, and Muhl at the guard positions. There wouldn't be room for these players without creating bad chemistry and bad feelings among the players.

Totally not the point of the initial question. Just a prompt and referring to Evina's statistics going down from one year to the next. In my mind it is possible to be "improved," even if not statistically better. My point was that if Clark came to UConn she might become a better player even if her averages dropped to 15, 5, 5. Statistics are not the only metric in deciding if someone has improved.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

This is partly because our offensive movement (players and ball) is slow. Complementary players can score if they have room/time to shoot, which
comes from ball/player movement, screens. We don't really have a team-oriented offense in the way UConn and others do. We have an offense that can be characterized by not a lot of movement and then get the ball to JH or RH and watch to see if they can score. That has not been enough. Every team has players like Darby/Puckett. McGraw at ND had lots of them and knew how to work her sets to get them open looks for 3s. We'd certainly want to work on making Hollingshead another scoring option going forward. She's got talent.

We don’t have the players, we need a more athletic roster.

 

[madtownvol]

GT, the most telling thing is that Lobo Does Not notice that the unconn player pulls down Rickea in an arm lock when it is absolutely and clearly visibile in the slow mo replay.

Yeah, Rickea "was just not kind of on her [Edwards]" which made it sound like RJ took her to the ground intentionally. But, Lobo is going to see the game through Uconn lens. Hpwever, the ref was standing freakin' right there watching the entire exchange and should have blown the whistle at the initial hook. Once on the ground, I suppose we could very charitably assume that the first time Edwards puts her heel up toward RJ's face that it was an "innocent" move but when Jackson pushed it down, Edward brought her heel right back up in the same motion, so hmmmm. Rickea's retaliatory "get off" me push was indeed a foul but the refs did not have to let them scrum like that.

As it played out, a double foul, per the film review, was about the only call to make but the whistle should have been blown 10 seconds sooner. The same ref called Horston immediately for slightly bumping Edwards when going up for a shot but felt that an arm hook take down to the ground was a no call. Again, this litany of bad calls did not change the outcome but the game deserves better officiating than that.

 

[Gilmore]

GT, the most telling thing is that Lobo Does Not notice that the unconn player pulls down Rickea in an arm lock when it is absolutely and clearly visibile in the slow mo replay.

Or she chose not to see it. She does not need to be calling our games.

 

[glv98]

All that stuff was in the heat of trying to break from each other, but you sure can't miss RJ pushing her to the ground when she tried to get up. The entire game was full of bad calls, non calls, on both teams. These officials should be suspended.

LOL you have to be kidding. Nope can't miss Rickea pushing away that leg that had her in the scissorlock! "Pushing her to the ground"? Newflash: they were on the ground, where Edwards had just flung RJ. What exactly was Edwards getting up from? The intentional hook and take down or the intentional scissorgrab with kick?

Ya'll would be way, way best to drop this. Not possible, except for Lobo, to make this not look really bad on Edwards. And the refs.

 

[StorrsCentral]

LOL you have to be kidding. Nope can't miss Rickea pushing away that leg that had her in the scissorlock! "Pushing her to the ground"? Newflash: they were on the ground, where Edwards had just flung RJ. What exactly was Edwards getting up from? The intentional hook and take down or the intentional scissorgrab with kick?

Ya'll would be way, way best to drop this. Not possible, except for Lobo, to make this not look really bad on Edwards. And the refs.

LOL

 

[madtownvol]

LOL you have to be kidding. Nope can't miss Rickea pushing away that leg that had her in the scissorlock! "Pushing her to the ground"? Newflash: they were on the ground, where Edwards had just flung RJ. What exactly was Edwards getting up from? The intentional hook and take down or the intentional scissorgrab with kick?

Ya'll would be way, way best to drop this. Not possible, except for Lobo, to make this not look really bad on Edwards. And the refs.

A classic paper in social psychology is called "they saw a game" which was an early path breaking analysis of selective perception. They surveyed students after a very contentious, penalty laden football game between Princeton and Dartmouth and on question after question about what transpired in the game, the two student groups gave very different descriptions of key plays and were respectively completely convinced that the other team played dirty.

So, getting into a debate with a Uconn fan about Edwards being the instigator is a futile endeavor. But this is LV fan board, so we can also conclusively and assuredly state, that we are right and the Uconners are wrong. And we ain't going over to the Boneyard to argue

 

[glv98]

Argument is futile, also unneccessary since the photos speak for themselves. Kind of insult to injury to also get blamed as the instigator on national tv though! Oh Allayah, I'm so sorry my body jumped between the vice grip of your legs and that my head got in the way of your foot!

Larger point is this is what RJ has in her future, beginning Monday night.

 

[StorrsCentral]

OK, I'm going to say my take on what I observed about the officiating, and NOT about the RJ/Edwards scuffle. I rewatched the game last night and this is what I took from it.
1- There was only 1 foul called for the entire first quarter, I think a foul on Horston for grabbing Muhl. I didn't really see it, but that's what was called. During the quarter there were many plays that would normally be called a foul, on both teams, but the refs just ignored them.
2- Although I think Geno was out of line with his comment, he actually was right. Not about Tennessee, but the refs. All of a sudden they started making calls that they let go in the first quarter. UConn was playing physical, but by the standard that was set in Q1, there should have been no problem. All players are told by their coaches to adjust the way they play by the way the game is being called. The refs changed the way they called from the first Q to the second Q., thus a lot of fouls on UConn. Granted some were warranted, but a lot were not called in the first Q.
3- In the third, there were more fouls called on Tennessee, and some of them were kind of questionable. It was as if they tried to reverse their screw up in the second by calling more in the other direction.

We have all see officials make a bad call, and if he realizes it, he will make it up by calling one on the other team. I get it, but these jerks were trying to make up a whole quarter. That is why the game was screwed up. These guys were really out of their league, and for them to officiate a game with these great teams was prosperous. Neither team in the long run benefitted by the calls, but if you go quarter by quarter, you will think they were done by different crews. Their performance totally disgusted me, and they should all be suspended. Geno showed what he thought about the second quarter, and Kellie should have done the same after the Third.
Done with this subject, have a great day and good luck Monday.

 

[StorrsCentral]

Totally not the point of the initial question. Just a prompt and referring to Evina's statistics going down from one year to the next. In my mind it is possible to be "improved," even if not statistically better. My point was that if Clark came to UConn she might become a better player even if her averages dropped to 15, 5, 5. Statistics are not the only metric in deciding if someone has improved.

Got it, and actually Evina was not even close to being the main show, but her mentorship of the young kids was invaluable. The fans really grew to love her, and overall, despite being hot and cold, she was a welcome addition to the program.

 

[creekdipper]

I am just curious of your opinion of what would happen if Caitlin Clark or Maddy Seigrist transferred to UConn for next year. Do you think their numbers would go up or down?

Depends upon how many conn players are injured.

In Clark's case, she IS the show. Not saying that she is selfish...she dishes out plenty of assists...but she is the #1, 2, and 3 option and then there's Monica at #4. Westbrook was never as important to either TENN or conn offense as Clark is to her team.Iowas has a lot of solid players, but Clark has the green light as soon as she passes midcourt. And she doesn't have to wait for someone to get the ball in her hands.

 

[Amb3096]

Depends upon how many conn players are injured.

In Clark's case, she IS the show. Not saying that she is selfish...she dishes out plenty of assists...but she is the #1, 2, and 3 option and then there's Monica at #4. Westbrook was never as important to either TENN or conn offense as Clark is to her team.Iowas has a lot of solid players, but Clark has the green light as soon as she passes midcourt. And she doesn't have to wait for someone to get the ball in her hands.

Don't know about that. Evina was the leading scorer the year that she transferred.

 

[glv98]

Got it, and actually Evina was not even close to being the main show, but her mentorship of the young kids was invaluable. The fans really grew to love her, and overall, despite being hot and cold, she was a welcome addition to the program.

Is Evina still with a WNBA team? I'm actually one of the few who wished good things for Evina after she left here. Her years here were the worst of the worst of the Holly mess. I'm happy for any of them that salvaged anything from that train wreck.

 

[creekdipper]

Don't know about that. Evina was the leading scorer the year that she transferred.

Yes, she was. But no comparison to the load Clark carries. Who's the Davis for Clark?

 

[Amb3096]

Yes, she was. But no comparison to the load Clark carries. Who's the Davis for Clark?

Czinano. She scored over 20 ppg last season, and right around 19 this year. If Monika is in position, then Clark's getting her the ball.

 

[Amb3096]

Is Evina still with a WNBA team? I'm actually one of the few who wished good things for Evina after she left here. Her years here were the worst of the worst of the Holly mess. I'm happy for any of them that salvaged anything from that train wreck.

Thought I saw that she got signed to a training camp contract. I don't see her making a roster with the talent coming in after this class graduate. Even more than usual, training camp will be a bloodbath.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Yeah, Rickea "was just not kind of on her [Edwards]" which made it sound like RJ took her to the ground intentionally. But, Lobo is going to see the game through Uconn lens. Hpwever, the ref was standing freakin' right there watching the entire exchange and should have blown the whistle at the initial hook. Once on the ground, I suppose we could very charitably assume that the first time Edwards puts her heel up toward RJ's face that it was an "innocent" move but when Jackson pushed it down, Edward brought her heel right back up in the same motion, so hmmmm. Rickea's retaliatory "get off" me push was indeed a foul but the refs did not have to let them scrum like that.

As it played out, a double foul, per the film review, was about the only call to make but the whistle should have been blown 10 seconds sooner. The same ref called Horston immediately for slightly bumping Edwards when going up for a shot but felt that an arm hook take down to the ground was a no call. Again, this litany of bad calls did not change the outcome but the game deserves better officiating than that.

Looked to me like Edwards was trying to push her butt into the back of Rickea’s head. Rickea showed pretty good control of her temper under the circumstances.

 

[GLRedux]

I don't think that's correct. I believe their assist/turnover ratio is 1.3.

Yes, I meant margin, not ratio.

 

[Majors]

Looked to me like Edwards was trying to push her butt into the back of Rickea’s head. Rickea showed pretty good control of her temper under the circumstances.

Until the end

 

[Coach Jumper]

Edwards, with such a hold, could have pulled RJ's shoulder out of socket

I would knock the sh.. out of someone who tried to disable me,,,she showed great restraint IMO

 

[Majors]

Edwards, with such a hold, could have pulled RJ's shoulder out of socket

I would knock the sh.. out of someone who tried to disable me,,,she showed great restraint IMO

Shouldn’t have retaliated.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Totally not the point of the initial question. Just a prompt and referring to Evina's statistics going down from one year to the next. In my mind it is possible to be "improved," even if not statistically better. My point was that if Clark came to UConn she might become a better player even if her averages dropped to 15, 5, 5. Statistics are not the only metric in deciding if someone has improved.

Ok so besides getting a lil older, do u think Evina got so much better from playing for Geno?

 

[youcancallmeAl]

Yeah, Rickea "was just not kind of on her [Edwards]" which made it sound like RJ took her to the ground intentionally. But, Lobo is going to see the game through Uconn lens. Hpwever, the ref was standing freakin' right there watching the entire exchange and should have blown the whistle at the initial hook. Once on the ground, I suppose we could very charitably assume that the first time Edwards puts her heel up toward RJ's face that it was an "innocent" move but when Jackson pushed it down, Edward brought her heel right back up in the same motion, so hmmmm. Rickea's retaliatory "get off" me push was indeed a foul but the refs did not have to let them scrum like that.

As it played out, a double foul, per the film review, was about the only call to make but the whistle should have been blown 10 seconds sooner. The same ref called Horston immediately for slightly bumping Edwards when going up for a shot but felt that an arm hook take down to the ground was a no call. Again, this litany of bad calls did not change the outcome but the game deserves better officiating than that.

Should have first been a flagrant foul called on Edwards at the point of the pulldown.

 

[madtownvol]

[QUOTE="Majors, post: 22367897, member: 80703"[
Shouldn’t have retaliated.[/QUOTE]

Shouldn't have been hooked, pulled down, and kicked either....