Game Thread: Lady Vols vs. Ole Miss; Thurs Feb 2nd @ 6:30PM; SECN+

Also again, "lots" of coaches don't bench their best players, especially not super good ones. Happens, but it's rare.

Exactly, which is why everyone who pays attention to women's college basketball were either talking about it, questioning it, posting about it, tweeting about it ...

The only person who didn't find it jarring to have Rickea Jackson come off the bench so she "could provide an instant spark" was Kellie. The rest of anyone watching within the Known Universe were pinching themselves to see if they might be in a weird dream. It felt ... off ... awkwardly forced ... to everyone but Kellie.
 
I got a little lost in this answer, but I think we (and KJH) are making this harder than it needs to be. If you project to play someone 32 mins a game and rest them 8, if 6 of those rest mins are automatically at the start of each half, you've limited your options for their needed rest during their play unneccessarily. Which of course, is why KJH doesn't do that with RJ anymore, espec since RJ is playing 35+ now, thank God.

Also again, "lots" of coaches don't bench their best players, especially not super good ones. Happens, but it's rare.
Well at least we can say that Harper is not the only one doing it wrong. Ole Miss does not start Angel Baker, Bama does not start their two best performance guards, For most of this season Barnes did not start Ziegler and he finally did the last three games. For me I worry more than Jill is only getting about 17 to 20 minutes a game and Franklin 13 to 15 this is far more of worrying to me than that either of them start. She doesn't always have them in there at the ending of the game either. I much rather see them play most of the fourth quarter than the first. The excuse given was that they didn't want to see Jill get in foul trouble early thye much rather it be Striplin. I want someone to ask her not about starting, but about minutes played as that is important to me. If some think starting is more important I can accept they are entitled to that opinion.
 
Well at least we can say that Harper is not the only one doing it wrong. Ole Miss does not start Angel Baker, Bama does not start their two best performance guards, For most of this season Barnes did not start Ziegler and he finally did the last three games. For me I worry more than Jill is only getting about 17 to 20 minutes a game and Franklin 13 to 15 this is far more of worrying to me than that either of them start. She doesn't always have them in there at the ending of the game either. I much rather see them play most of the fourth quarter than the first. The excuse given was that they didn't want to see Jill get in foul trouble early thye much rather it be Striplin. I want someone to ask her not about starting, but about minutes played as that is important to me. If some think starting is more important I can accept they are entitled to that opinion.
I do think they worry about JH fouling, and I'm not sure how many minutes JF's knee has in it. That steal and run out JF got last game was just painful to watch. Wonderful play, but wow is she hampered. So that may be part of the rational.

But with both Strip and Franklin as very capable reserves, I agree Jill needs at least 25-28 mins per game. And as I said previously, there's still a nice role for Strip, who can really shoot and can muscle up in the post.
 
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The only person who didn't find it jarring to have Rickea Jackson come off the bench so she "could provide an instant spark" was Kellie. The rest of anyone watching within the Known Universe were pinching themselves to see if they might be in a weird dream. It felt ... off ... awkwardly forced ... to everyone but Kellie.
Including, unfortunately, every recruit and potential portal player.

And kudos to RJ for how she handled it. Of course her margin for error at that time might have been small . . .

Unrelated unintentionally hilarious moment watching replay: Yo took a time out (!) right after the Jas Franklin steal and score. Jas already in huddle, JH rockets in from behind and heartily chest bumps an unsuspecting JF in the back. Which of course sends her flying forward. An annoyed looking KJH makes a great catch just before Franklin hits the ground. JH like OOPS!

Reminded me of the post game celebration vid fm last year when KJH rocketed thru a player tunnel and chest bumped BK, again snatching her up just before she hit the ground. Also reminded me how glad I am JH's fave celebration is no longer the slap in the head. Would have lost JF to concussion protocol for sure.
 
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Madtown you sure hate to agree with Darth but he's right. It does matter

Wait, what?

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Yes but like I stated in another post it wasn't who started it was the total minutes that the best players played in the game.

So the total minutes matter more than the timing of those minutes? Yeah, I just can't get there with you...
 
So the total minutes matter more than the timing of those minutes? Yeah, I just can't get there with you...
No problem but five minutes other than at the end of the game will not affect anything that much JMO. I mean if we started the best five for five minutes and subbed the other 35 minutes with other players that would make starting kind of unimportant and it will work the other way as well.
 
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Here is a Pat Summitt quote that I agree with
The willingness to experiment with change may be the most essential ingredient to success at anything.

Maybe someone should send this to Kellie?

I know Kellie is intelligent, and one thing I'll give her is that she is far more eloquent and well-spoken than Holly ever was. But this little "I hate change" mini-tantrum/hissy fit, whatever you want to call it, makes her look like an idiot...
 
Well the why does so many players that are in the top five on their team not start? Is it because they choose not to start or that the coach prefers someone else to start. Angel Baker does not start for Ole Miss she is definitely one of their top five players. Abrams and McQueen do not start for Alabama but are performing better on the court than the two players that are starting. I can keep going on and on with examples of the best performing players on a team not starting. They do however get huge minutes almost always more than the starter. I can see them being starters as well as coming off the bench. From a performance standard it doesn't seem to bother most players. How many time did we see the stat that Jackson was averaging more points not starting than starting. She is starting now and that is not problem, but it did not affect her performance when she wasn't. As far as our team goes not hung up on who starts, but really concerned about why some players are not getting more minutes. When you measure performance on the court then we have players that should be playing more and some who should be playing less. When that is corrected I really won't care that someone starting is getting 8 minutes a game.
I'll say it again some players prefer to be 6th men of the year potentials... But in my history starter means you've made it
 
Well at least we can say that Harper is not the only one doing it wrong. Ole Miss does not start Angel Baker, Bama does not start their two best performance guards, For most of this season Barnes did not start Ziegler and he finally did the last three games. For me I worry more than Jill is only getting about 17 to 20 minutes a game and Franklin 13 to 15 this is far more of worrying to me than that either of them start. She doesn't always have them in there at the ending of the game either. I much rather see them play most of the fourth quarter than the first. The excuse given was that they didn't want to see Jill get in foul trouble early thye much rather it be Striplin. I want someone to ask her not about starting, but about minutes played as that is important to me. If some think starting is more important I can accept they are entitled to that opinion.
Bell bottoms were once popular too
 
I'll say it again some players prefer to be 6th men of the year potentials... But in my history starter means you've made it
What does that have to do with coaching decisions and trying to win a game? Sure some players think it makes them elite to start. Not really a concern of mine. All I am saying and that is my story and I'm sticking to it is that minutes played by the best players are most important whether they are starting or not. To me finishing would be more important than starting. Of course if you have five players that are going to play all 40 minutes they have to start.
 
What does that have to do with coaching decisions and trying to win a game? Sure some players think it makes them elite to start. Not really a concern of mine. All I am saying and that is my story and I'm sticking to it is that minutes played by the best players are most important whether they are starting or not. To me finishing would be more important than starting. Of course if you have five players that are going to play all 40 minutes they have to start.


Coaching is more than just putting in a starting lineup it's knowing the mentality of the players ain that starting lineup and it's knowing the mentality of the players who are not in that starting lineup

Myself if I am one of the best players on the team and not starting I go in with a chip on my shoulder right from the get go... It is up to a coach to know this about me


I tell you what I'm not a computer or I can start a poll... But if you are or someone else has the nerve ... start a poll asking the question ... does starting matter With only yes or no as the option
 
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Coaching is more than just putting in a starting lineup it's knowing the mentality of the players ain that starting lineup and it's knowing the mentality of the players who are not in that starting lineup

Myself if I am one of the best players on the team and not starting I go in with a chip on my shoulder right from the get go... It is up to a coach to know this about me


I tell you what I'm not a computer or I can start a poll... But if you are or someone else has the nerve ... start a poll asking the question ... does starting matter With only yes or no as the option
I think a lot of the time it is about a player being foul prone and coaches not wanting them to get in foul trouble early. They want them to be available for most of the latter part of the game. As far as a player having a chip on his shoulder for not starting probably wouldn't want him on the team unless he wasn't getting starter minutes. I would be more upset about not playing enough than when I played.
 
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I think a lot of the time it is about a player being foul prone and coaches not wanting them to get in foul trouble early. They want them to be available for most of the latter part of the game. As far as a player having a chip on his shoulder for not starting probably wouldn't want him on the team unless he wasn't getting starter minutes. I would be more upset about not playing enough than when I played.
That's probably What Michael Jordan's middle school coach said
 
Let's put this to the real test… let's see how many bench players in the NBA and WNBA are paid the higher than the starters ..minus of course those that are in contention for 6 men of the year
 
Let's put this to the real test… let's see how many bench players in the NBA and WNBA are paid the higher than the starters ..minus of course those that are in contention for 6 men of the year
Of course more starters make more money. The question is still starting is more important than minutes played in a game. I say no some say starting is more important so that is where it will have to stand.
 
I think a lot of the time it is about a player being foul prone and coaches not wanting them to get in foul trouble early. They want them to be available for most of the latter part of the game. As far as a player having a chip on his shoulder for not starting probably wouldn't want him on the team unless he wasn't getting starter minutes. I would be more upset about not playing enough than when I played.
So how does it make a player less Foul prone if They are coming in for a situation of desperate need... Wouldn't it make a player less foul prone to come in and dictate this situation from the get got

We could discuss this ad nauseum and your viewpoints not gonna change and I'm right
 
So how does it make a player less Foul prone if They are coming in for a situation of desperate need... Wouldn't it make a player less foul prone to come in and dictate this situation from the get got

We could discuss this ad nauseum and your viewpoints not gonna change and I'm right
No because in most cases the end of the game is more important than the beginning and if they have fouled out they are not available, No your not right even if you think you are. What if you have eight players and you consider five of them equal talent? Do starters start every Quarter? Do they start the fourth quarter and play the entire 10 minutes. If you have a foul prone player that picks up two fouls in the first five minutes then they are sitting the next fifteen. Harper says Jill is not starting because she doesn't want her in foul trouble later in the game. I can agree if she is playing most of the last 20 minutes of the game. She is not and that is the question that needs to be answered. People really jumped on when she said it doesn't matter who starts. Of course it matters to some extent, but how many minutes they play in the entire game matters more.
 
No because in most cases the end of the game is more important than the beginning and if they have fouled out they are not available, No your not right even if you think you are. What if you have eight players and you consider five of them equal talent? Do starters start every Quarter? Do they start the fourth quarter and play the entire 10 minutes. If you have a foul prone player that picks up two fouls in the first five minutes then they are sitting the next fifteen. Harper says Jill is not starting because she doesn't want her in foul trouble later in the game. I can agree if she is playing most of the last 20 minutes of the game. She is not and that is the question that needs to be answered. People really jumped on when she said it doesn't matter who starts. Of course it matters to some extent, but how many minutes they play in the entire game matters more.
Holly?
 
Kellie lost patience with Cora in her last interview after she was asked again about starting lineups. Kellie made it crystal clear, with a tad bit of a sharp tone, just how serious (plain ol' stubborn IMO) she is about "not liking change," so she is not going to start Hollingshead because, well, Hollingshead hasn't been a starter this season and, yeah, that's that. lol
But start RJ, sit RJ, RJ off the bench, start RJ
 
I agree with Jackson, Horston, Walker,,,Hollingshead...But I think Pissott has worked on her game enough to pass Darby (I do agree Franklin is a good choice, but I like her as a spark-plug as a 6th man) and we must have an outside shooting threat to extend the defense)

Darby played 16 min,, Pissott 7
Pissott was 0-2 with 2 rebs=zero efficiency
Darby was 0-3 with 1 TO = -3 efficiency
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Agree, at this point Darby needs to be coming off the bench.
 

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