Gator Tasered

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he had his say, he got both what he wanted (footage for his personal blog and some measure of notoriety) and what he deserved, punished for being disruptive of somebody else's freedom of speech.

the right to speak is not a right to be heard.
 
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MG1968 said:
he had his say, he got both what he wanted (footage for his personal blog and some measure of notoriety) and what he deserved, punished for being disruptive of somebody else's freedom of speech.

the right to speak is not a right to be heard.
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And the penalty for "being disruptive" as you call it should be getting a taste of the taser? :crazy:

You have a really low bar for what you consider to be disruptive. I guess Martin Luther would have been exiled for his 95 Theses if you were running things. :unsure:
 
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no, I just have a low tolerance for people hiding behind the first amendment when their display has nothing to do with freedom of speech in the first place.

Have you read reports that this kid asked if there were cameras at the police station? I'm not going to feel sorry for him because he's not some poor downtrodden member of the proletariat being dragged away in cuffs because he dares question a party leader. He's a smart kid looking for his 15 minutes, and he got them.
 
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MG1968 said:
no, I just have a low tolerance for people hiding behind the first amendment when their display has nothing to do with freedom of speech in the first place.

Have you read reports that this kid asked if there were cameras at the police station? I'm not going to feel sorry for him because he's not some poor downtrodden member of the proletariat being dragged away in cuffs because he dares question a party leader. He's a smart kid looking for his 15 minutes, and he got them.
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Asking a question at a Q&A is notworthy of police action. Just because the questions were uncomfortable for Kerry, that gives the police no right to physically remove him from the microphone, man. And what difference does it make if he was a member of the proletariat? All humans, no matter what their economic or social backgraound deserve the same basic human rights.
 
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I guess you and I are seeing something completely different. He asked about 6 questions, all after the Q and A period was officially over. He wasn't even next in line, he just pushed his way forward.

Tasered Student Has History Of Practical Jokes - News Story - WPLG Miami

Cops on leave after Taser incident, student's behavior under scrutiny - CNN.com

Police noted that his demeanor "completely changed once the cameras were not in sight" and described him as laughing and being lighthearted as he was being driven to the Alachua County Detention Center.

"I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong. You were just trying to do your job," Meyer said, according to the police report.

At one point, he asked whether there were going to be cameras at the jail, according to the report.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And the penalty for "being disruptive" as you call it should be getting a taste of the taser? :crazy:
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No, the taser was not for "being disruptive". It was for resisting the police officers. That was abundantly clear. This guy thought that he was above the law. He thought he didn't have to listen to the officers. The officers told him his alloted time was over. He resisted. They coaxed him to his seat. He resisted. They physically tried to remove him. He resisted. They tasered him. He screamed like a little girl and THEN he was willing to listen. This isn't about free speech. It's about respecting the authority of the law.

Personally, I think the guy was just trying to make a name for himself. And it's working. Look at us talking about this.
 
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salutethehill said:
No, the taser was not for "being disruptive". It was for resisting the police officers. That was abundantly clear. This guy thought that he was above the law. He thought he didn't have to listen to the officers. The officers told him his alloted time was over. He resisted. They coaxed him to his seat. He resisted. They physically tried to remove him. He resisted. They tasered him. He screamed like a little girl and THEN he was willing to listen. This isn't about free speech. It's about respecting the authority of the law.

Personally, I think the guy was just trying to make a name for himself. And it's working. Look at us talking about this.
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Agree - this isn't a free speech case. He was allowed to talk more than most students there. When asked to stop to allow the speaker to respond and to allow others to participate he resisted. As he was being escorted out, he resisted further. Ultimately, he was tased. Maybe they didn't need to tase him but I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
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I just watched the video and as much as I believe that the guy was trying to make a scene, there was absolutely no reason why the police should have ever put their hands on him, let alone tase him.
 
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How would you suggest the scene should have been ended? How long should he have been allowed to dominate the situation?
 
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volinbham said:
How would you suggest the scene should have been ended? How long should he have been allowed to dominate the situation?
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He wasn't hurting anybody behind the microphone, nor was he a threat to endanger anyone by running his mouth. Normally, force is used only in cases where a criminal is potentially hurting someone or a clear, present danger to someone.

This guy just wanted to run his mouth and have Kerry answer the question.

I guess we should taser everyone that spends more than 2 mins behind a mic in a Q&A session. :ermm:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He wasn't hurting anybody behind the microphone, nor was he a threat to endanger anyone by running his mouth. Normally, force is used only in cases where a criminal is potentially hurting someone or a clear, present danger to someone.

This guy just wanted to run his mouth and have Kerry answer the question.

I guess we should taser everyone that spends more than 2 mins behind a mic in a Q&A session. :ermm:
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He was tasered for resisting arrest, not for speaking. He's lucky he didn't get his skull cracked by a night stick. Ask Rodney King what resisting arrest can do.
 
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timmy said:
He was tasered for resisting arrest, not for speaking. He's lucky he didn't get his skull cracked by a night stick. Ask Rodney King what resisting arrest can do.
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Resisting arrest???

Exactly what crime was he going to be arrested for? Asking extremely obnoxious questions?

The police overreacted to the situation. I would think that police would want to do as much as possible to de-escalate the situation, instead they skipped over any possible escalation of force methods (talk to the guy first, then maybe shout, then threaten the use of force, then actually lay your hands on him, then warn him that he will be electrocuted, then finally use the taser), instead they jumped right to hands on.

I know that if I was out on the street corner, and somebody was running their mouth and I touched that person without their consent, then I could be charged with assault.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He wasn't hurting anybody behind the microphone, nor was he a threat to endanger anyone by running his mouth. Normally, force is used only in cases where a criminal is potentially hurting someone or a clear, present danger to someone.

This guy just wanted to run his mouth and have Kerry answer the question.

I guess we should taser everyone that spends more than 2 mins behind a mic in a Q&A session. :ermm:
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How would you stop his disruption? Alternatively, are we all subject to such disruption? How do you determine who's rights to protect in this situation?
 
#22
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I'm guessing a few people on here would've preferred to hear him blather all night. Who needs rules? Kerry can just hang out until 6 am the next morning answering stupid questions about the skull and bones society.:rolleyes:. The crowd was obviously ready for him to go (based on the applause when the cops intervened). He had no right to disobey the rules, which was to ask questions in the alloted time. If he got away with it then the next person would and so on. The cops tried to handle the situation peacefully but the blatherer preferred to not let that happen. If he chooses to follow the rules then he has nothing to worry about. What would you do if you were just trying to do your job and some loudmouth, jokester college kid starts shoving you? The cops did an excellent job restraining their emotions. The situation escalated into what it was because of the kid, not the cops.
 
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salutethehill said:
I'm guessing a few people on here would've preferred to hear him blather all night. Who needs rules? Kerry can just hang out until 6 am the next morning answering stupid questions about the skull and bones society.:rolleyes:. The crowd was obviously ready for him to go (based on the applause when the cops intervened). He had no right to disobey the rules, which was to ask questions in the alloted time. If he got away with it then the next person would and so on. The cops tried to handle the situation peacefully but the blatherer preferred to not let that happen. If he chooses to follow the rules then he has nothing to worry about. What would you do if you were just trying to do your job and some loudmouth, jokester college kid starts shoving you? The cops did an excellent job restraining their emotions. The situation escalated into what it was because of the kid, not the cops.
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Blather all night? Did you even see the video? Less than 30 seconds into the video, the policewoman is already harrasing him. :ermm:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Blather all night? Did you even see the video? Less than 30 seconds into the video, the policewoman is already harrasing him. :ermm:
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is that the raw, uncut video, or just the video that you're allowed to see?

again, he pushed his way to the microphone AFTER the Q&A period had ended. He was allowed to ask his question, but then he wouldn't shut up long enough to get an answer.
 
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MG1968 said:
is that the raw, uncut video, or just the video that you're allowed to see?

again, he pushed his way to the microphone AFTER the Q&A period had ended. He was allowed to ask his question, but then he wouldn't shut up long enough to get an answer.
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Uhh... look at the beginning of the video. Kerry is finishing up an answer to another question and The guy walks up to the mic and introduces himself. :ermm:

If he had already been there previously, why would he go through the whole opening that he gave? :no:

I swear, if this is the America you want where at a public forum you can have policemen hustle you away from a mic after 30-40 seconds, forceably remove you from the mic, and tase you afterwards... then the era of the thought police and socialist jackbooting thugs has already arrived.
 
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