Gator Tasered

#26
#26
He stated clearly he planned to 'inform, then ask'. Rasputin is correct, 36 seconds into the complete video, it appears the female officer does harass him. It appears the female officer tells him to "stop". The UF student had the right to ask his question, the police officers/security were the ones going over the limit by first, disrupting him, next by removing him, and finally, after it was obvious their was enough man-power to subdue him, the police brought physical harm unto the student by tasing him. No one deserves that. Freedom of Speech? :crazy:

I did get a good laugh from "Don't tase me, bro!", though.
 
#27
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salutethehill said:
I'm guessing a few people on here would've preferred to hear him blather all night. Who needs rules? Kerry can just hang out until 6 am the next morning answering stupid questions about the skull and bones society.:rolleyes:. The crowd was obviously ready for him to go (based on the applause when the cops intervened). He had no right to disobey the rules, which was to ask questions in the alloted time. If he got away with it then the next person would and so on. The cops tried to handle the situation peacefully but the blatherer preferred to not let that happen. If he chooses to follow the rules then he has nothing to worry about. What would you do if you were just trying to do your job and some loudmouth, jokester college kid starts shoving you? The cops did an excellent job restraining their emotions. The situation escalated into what it was because of the kid, not the cops.
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It is obvious from the video that the police placed their hands on the kid first. Yes, resisting arrest is indeed an offense, however, the police should have some viable cause in which to try to arrest someone first. I doubt that "blathering", in a public forum nonetheless, is considered a crime in Gainesville, let alone anywhere else in the United States.

I take it that you have also never felt the effects of a taser, else you opinion might be much different.
 
#28
#28
The terms "right to speak" and "public forum" are being used here. Is this a public forum? Does the organizer of the event have any rights to set the rules in this setting? Does he have a "right" to be there?

Once he is asked to leave, what are his rights? If he refuses, what are the options?

I teach in a state university - if a student is disrupting the class I can have him/her removed. It would probably take more than 36 seconds of course since security would not be in the classroom.
 
#29
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volinbham said:
The terms "right to speak" and "public forum" are being used here. Is this a public forum? Does the organizer of the event have any rights to set the rules in this setting? Does he have a "right" to be there?

Once he is asked to leave, what are his rights? If he refuses, what are the options?

I teach in a state university - if a student is disrupting the class I can have him/her removed. It would probably take more than 36 seconds of course since security would not be in the classroom.
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It was an event that had a Q&A session. If you are inviting people to come out of the audience to speak, should you only allow those that agree with you to have 30 seconds of your time? Geez. Was the kid obnoxious? Yes, I think we can all agree on that. Was he looking for attention? Again, yes. But even with that being said, there is no excuse for an armed civil servent to be putting their hands on a guy 30 or 40 seconds after speaking into a mic. Heck, the police shouldn't have been needed at all, really. Let the guy blow off his steam and then allow Kerry to answer the question.

This shows the type of individual that Kerry is that he has to have the police bail him out on a tough question. I guarantee you, there are PLENTY of people that thrive on answering tough questions and making the asker look small and petty. Liberals like James Carville, Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton (the Chris Wallace interview is a perfect example) and even a prime Muhammad Ali (sp) would have stood tall and blown this guy into the stone age with a response. No police assist needed. They would have loved the challenge. Yet Kerry needs the police to bail him out and use strongarm tactics to silence a protester. Give me a break... there was no where near the need for physically laying hands on this guy or tasering him if the speaker would have been a strong individual and handled his business in the arena of ideas (or used debating skills).
 
#30
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This shows the type of individual that Kerry is that he has to have the police bail him out on a tough question.
Yet Kerry needs the police to bail him out and use strongarm tactics to silence a protester.
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I didn't see anything on the video that indicated Kerry got the police involved.
 
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therealUT said:
I take it that you have also never felt the effects of a taser, else you opinion might be much different.
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I have a deep fear of the doggoned thing, especially as they proliferate (they're now available to any individual who wants to buy one). Have you ever felt the effects? If so, what's it like?
 
#33
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volinbham said:
The terms "right to speak" and "public forum" are being used here. Is this a public forum? Does the organizer of the event have any rights to set the rules in this setting? Does he have a "right" to be there?

Once he is asked to leave, what are his rights? If he refuses, what are the options?

I teach in a state university - if a student is disrupting the class I can have him/her removed. It would probably take more than 36 seconds of course since security would not be in the classroom.
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And finally, it came as a great surprise to me when I learned that "Freedom of Speech" is a right that only government and its subdivisions cannot abridge. For example, my employer has every right to shut me up if I stand up on company property, and during my work time, and start making a speech of virtually any kind -- ie., endorsing a political candidate, lambasting another one, etc. Remember the TV images from the last Republican convention where the delegates surrounded and closed in on a protester, inside the convention hall, not allowing him to speak.

Of course, UF is a STATE university so there are questions that come into play there and free speech is fiercely protected thing on most college campuses. But this was essentially a guest speaker situation. If the obnoxious student had been standing out on the quad denouncing John Kerry to whoever might listen, I doubt the police would have intervened.
 
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Fayettevol said:
And finally, it came as a great surprise to me when I learned that "Freedom of Speech" is a right that only government and its subdivisions cannot abridge. For example, my employer has every right to shut me up if I stand up on company property, and during my work time, and start making a speech of virtually any kind -- ie., endorsing a political candidate, lambasting another one, etc. Remember the TV images from the last Republican convention where the delegates surrounded and closed in on a protester, inside the convention hall, not allowing him to speak.

Of course, UF is a STATE university so there are questions that come into play there and free speech is fiercely protected thing on most college campuses. But this was essentially a guest speaker situation. If the obnoxious student had been standing out on the quad denouncing John Kerry to whoever might listen, I doubt the police would have intervened.
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It was a Q&A in a public forum. The guy wasn't yelling fire in crowded theatre. He was standing behind a mic asking some obnoxious questions. Nobody's life was endangered or threatened. Therefore, no need for physical force.
 
#35
#35
He was asked to follow some simple directions that in no way were trampling on his rights. I am not for police abuse but really don't have a problem with what he got. Act like a baby and get spanked.
 
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Fayettevol said:
Of course, UF is a STATE university so there are questions that come into play there and free speech is fiercely protected thing on most college campuses.
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Oddly enough, state universities have some very restrictive speech policies - say something politically incorrect and watch how fast the sanctions fly.

This one of many efforts to document the restrictions on speech at our supposedly free-thinking and open-minded institutions of higher learning.

Indoctrinate U - Our Education. Their Politics.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It was a Q&A in a public forum. The guy wasn't yelling fire in crowded theatre. He was standing behind a mic asking some obnoxious questions. Nobody's life was endangered or threatened. Therefore, no need for physical force.
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Are you kidding?? To reveal the secrets of the Skull and Bones society would be devastating to this country. All those keg stands Kerry and Bush did as college students would change the course of this country FOREVER!!
 
#41
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Fayettevol said:
Unfortunately for the nation, he didn't protest the lies and character assassinations of the Swiftboarters in '04 either. Until it was too late. :peace2:
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Pull that party line pretty hard?

The GOP also stole OHIO due to the secretary of state, Ken Blackwell, personally tampering with all the voting machines in democratic areas.

It is a shame what people got away with in 2000 and 2004, dirty republicans!

:yes:
 
#45
#45
As long as the guy isn't a threat I agree they should have never tasered him.The president of Iran spoke at Columbia and no one tasedred him.:crazy:
 
#46
#46
Where were the tasers for this hippie scum?

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I get it now. Come within arms reach of a cabinet official... no taser. Speak in front of a mic for 40 seconds too long, taser.

It all makes sense.:crazy:
 
#47
#47
Is that blood on her hands? Maybe she's asking for help... :)

(go ahead and thank me now...I started to take that in the wrong direction)
 
#48
#48
Its unreal how close she got to C Rice. I wonder how the lady got a ticket in there anyways? :ermm:
 
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