Gay adoption as an option?

[Crakaveli]

Rep. Debra Maggart, R-Hendersonville, said homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt children. She has also said: "We also have seen evidence that homosexual couples prey on young males and have, in some instances, adopted them in order to have unfretted access to subject them to a life of molestation and sexual abuse."

Here are my thoughts about gay adoption.

All things being equal (no drugs, no abuse, and no joblessness) a child is best served in a home with a dad and a mom, married and committed to their family.

Dad's and dad's or mom's and mom's are not the best option. Biology is the best argument I can make as proof of my position. Plugs and plugs don't create electricity, nor do sockets and sockets. Without scientific meddling, gay men and women simply cannot make children and therefore do not assist in the evolution (did I say evolution?) of our species. Therefore, and again I say, the dad-mom, married environment is best for children, whether they be born into a family or adopted in.

That said, if I was forced to choose between older children being bounced from foster home to foster home, and living in a stable home with two gay people, I think in that case, the gay home is the better option.

That is the only circumstance in which I could support gay adoption.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

All things being equal (no drugs, no abuse, and no joblessness) a child is best served in a home with a dad and a mom, married and committed to their family.

All things being equal, a child is best served in the home of their natural parents. But, as we all know, Divorces happen, children are abused, and children are given up for adoption all the time. I just think it's wrong to discriminate against a segment of society because one dosen't approve of their lifestyle. Gay and lesbian couples are just as capable of providing a stable, loving environment as a hetrosexual couple. As far as Mrs Maggart's comments.

"We also have seen evidence that homosexual couples prey on young males and have, in some instances, adopted them in order to have unfretted access to subject them to a life of molestation and sexual abuse."

There is not one shread of evidence that gays are ant more prone to be pedophiles than hetrosexuals are. Her comments prove that she is a self righteous bigot.

 

[USAF_Vol]

:gone:

 

[govols]

All things being equal, a child is best served in the home of their natural parents. But, as we all know, Divorces happen, children are abused, and children are given up for adoption all the time. I just think it's wrong to discriminate against a segment of society because one dosen't approve of their lifestyle. Gay and lesbian couples are just as capable of providing a stable, loving environment as a hetrosexual couple. As far as Mrs Maggart's comments.
There is not one shread of evidence that gays are ant more prone to be pedophiles than hetrosexuals are. Her comments prove that she is a self righteous bigot.

I strongly disagree with you. Being raised by homosexual parents has a bad influence on you I believe.

 

[rwemyss]

I strongly disagree with you. Being raised by homosexual parents has a bad influence on you I believe.

I guess you have experience?

I'm not saying that I support gay adoption, because I think that lifestyle in general is wrong, so supporting it in any way is off my list.

That said though... I can't imagine having two moms or two dads is any worse than having just one mom or one dad. In every child's life there should be both male and female figures to look up to.

 

[vader]

All things being equal, a child is best served in the home of their natural parents. But, as we all know, Divorces happen, children are abused, and children are given up for adoption all the time. I just think it's wrong to discriminate against a segment of society because one dosen't approve of their lifestyle. Gay and lesbian couples are just as capable of providing a stable, loving environment as a hetrosexual couple. As far as Mrs Maggart's comments.
There is not one shread of evidence that gays are ant more prone to be pedophiles than hetrosexuals are. Her comments prove that she is a self righteous bigot.

:clapping: Well said!!

 

[therealUT]

There is not one shread of evidence that gays are ant more prone to be pedophiles than hetrosexuals are. Her comments prove that she is a self righteous bigot.

Not one shred of proof? Well according to many Gay and Lesbian Rights advocacy groups, sex with children is not only ok, but it is encouraged.

Here is a quote from the Gay and Lesbian Reader:

"Like communists and homosexuals in the 1950s, boy lovers are so stigmatized that is is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone erotic orientation...Local police, the FBI and watchdog postal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth. In twenty years or so, when some of the smoke has cleared, it will be much easier to show that these men have been the victims of a savage and undeserved witch hunt." So, the Gay and Lesbian Reader is saying that there is no need to rid society of pedophiles, interesting take.

At Cornell, Professor (and Lesbian) Pat Califa teaches a class called The Sexual Child. Here is an excerpt from one of her lectures:

"Children are celibate because their parents prevent them from playing with other little kids or adults. Parents should be scolded for denying children their 'sexual freedom.' "

Kinsey himself, a bisexual, made the following statement:

"Americans must work to dismantle two archaic concepts. The first is the innocence of children and the second is the potential harmfulness of sex. Gays should proselytize to reach young gay people with the message that gay is good, that they should get out of their families as soon as possible, that they should organize with other gay people, because it is all right to be having sex." The young gay people he was referring to, goes as far back as infants, because according to Kinsey, who had over 800 sexual contacts with children, "Infants in their cribs have orgasms, as long as they are stimulated correctly."

So, her comments prove that she is probably more enlightened as to the situation and less an actual bigot.

 

[OWB]

There is no legitimate scientific research connecting homosexuality and pedophilia. Sexual orientation is defined as an adult attraction to other adults. Pedophilia is defined as an adult sexual attraction or perversion to children. In a study of 269 cases of child sex abuse, only two offenders where found to be gay or lesbian. More relevant was the finding that of the cases involving molestation of a boy by a man. Seventy-four percent of the men were or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the boys mother or another female relative. the conclusion was found that "a child's risk of being molested by his or her relatives' heterosexual partner is over one hundred time greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual."

 

[rdl2k5]

Nothing like taking quotes and turning them into the voice of the "gay nation" You read the words children should be exposed to their bodies and take that to mean 30 year old men should be having sex with 2 year olds. When I read that, I understood it because during my upbringing I was told that physical contact with people was a bad thing that only adults did. There would have been nothing wrong with me as a 15-18 year old teenager and exploring sexuality in a safe way. I am straight, have always been straight and am married with 3 children. I don't like homosexuality, but at the same time I don't care if someone else wants to be. That's their business.

To say that the gay/lesbian community promotes pedophilia is quite a claim. The quotes about infants having orgasms and all that do seem a little out there.

Just remember Pat Robertson believes natural disasters are to punish non Christians. In the same way he isn't the voice of Christiniaty, some random quote about homosexuality you find doesn't all of a sudden make it the voice of that community.

 

[rwemyss]

Nothing like taking quotes and turning them into the voice of the "gay nation" You read the words children should be exposed to their bodies and take that to mean 30 year old men should be having sex with 2 year olds. When I read that, I understood it because during my upbringing I was told that physical contact with people was a bad thing that only adults did. There would have been nothing wrong with me as a 15-18 year old teenager and exploring sexuality in a safe way. I am straight, have always been straight and am married with 3 children. I don't like homosexuality, but at the same time I don't care if someone else wants to be. That's their business.

To say that the gay/lesbian community promotes pedophilia is quite a claim. The quotes about infants having orgasms and all that do seem a little out there.

Just remember Pat Robertson believes natural disasters are to punish non Christians. In the same way he isn't the voice of Christiniaty, some random quote about homosexuality you find doesn't all of a sudden make it the voice of that community.

So you think that your children at 15 will be responsible enough to be having sex? Interesting take. At that point in my life, I knew and understood what sex was all about, and chose to avoid it due to the possible ramifications. When your 15 year old son gets a girl pregnant, even though he was "being safe", come back to me.

 

[DAVOL]

She is just a right wing bigot selling to the base. I wonder if that preacher they arrested in crossville the other day is gay since he srewed around with a 14 year old oh wait it was a girl. Also on average gay couples tend to be more educated and better off financially than heterosexual couples on average.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Not one shred of proof? Well according to many Gay and Lesbian Rights advocacy groups, sex with children is not only ok, but it is encouraged.

Here is a quote from the Gay and Lesbian Reader:

"Like communists and homosexuals in the 1950s, boy lovers are so stigmatized that is is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone erotic orientation...Local police, the FBI and watchdog postal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth. In twenty years or so, when some of the smoke has cleared, it will be much easier to show that these men have been the victims of a savage and undeserved witch hunt." So, the Gay and Lesbian Reader is saying that there is no need to rid society of pedophiles, interesting take.

At Cornell, Professor (and Lesbian) Pat Califa teaches a class called The Sexual Child. Here is an excerpt from one of her lectures:

"Children are celibate because their parents prevent them from playing with other little kids or adults. Parents should be scolded for denying children their 'sexual freedom.' "

Kinsey himself, a bisexual, made the following statement:

"Americans must work to dismantle two archaic concepts. The first is the innocence of children and the second is the potential harmfulness of sex. Gays should proselytize to reach young gay people with the message that gay is good, that they should get out of their families as soon as possible, that they should organize with other gay people, because it is all right to be having sex." The young gay people he was referring to, goes as far back as infants, because according to Kinsey, who had over 800 sexual contacts with children, "Infants in their cribs have orgasms, as long as they are stimulated correctly."

So, her comments prove that she is probably more enlightened as to the situation and less an actual bigot.

So you can quote a few fringe groups and claim that they are the views of all gay and lesbian advocate groups huh. By the same token, I could always go and pull a few quotes down from Fred Phelps website, godhatesfags.com, and claim that they are the opinions of all right wing fundamentalist christians.

 

[VOLracerx]

So you can quote a few fringe groups and claim that they are the views of all gay and lesbian advocate groups huh. By the same token, I could always go and pull a few quotes down from Fred Phelps website, godhatesfags.com, and claim that they are the opinions of all right wing fundamentalist christians.

I see what you are saying and the point you are making - but your comment might be more accurate that you think it is.

 

[vader]

I see what you are saying and the point you are making - but your comment might be more accurate that you think it is.

And that is scary.

 

[LadyinOrange]

Man, football season can't start too soon for me. :mf_surrender:

 

[vixenvol]

Man, football season can't start too soon for me. :mf_surrender:

lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

 

[LadyinOrange]

lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

Know what I mean, Vern?

 

[vols2345]

idk the days have been flying by for me... I didnt even know that the O&W game was this close... postjunkies is taking my life away... that and my blood sucking girl friend...

 

[rwemyss]

That poor girl sure does take a lot of hell from you Chuck. I can't believe she puts up with it.

 

[Lexvol]

Hard to find enough sociological data to support or refute at this time. However, the problem occurs when the pro gay adoption crowd, (or the single mom crowd for that matter) must tear down "traditional" sociological structures in order to make their point.

 

[therealUT]

So you can quote a few fringe groups and claim that they are the views of all gay and lesbian advocate groups huh. By the same token, I could always go and pull a few quotes down from Fred Phelps website, godhatesfags.com, and claim that they are the opinions of all right wing fundamentalist christians.

Yes, because these not one Gay and Lesbian Rights group has ever even attempted to distance themselves from the people who made the claims I referred to.

I could really care less about what one decides to do with their sex life. However, I have a problem when you take a group of people whose rights are argued for by the same people who argue for the rights of NAMBLA and then say, here, take a child into your own household, where you can do whatever you like to it in the privacy of your home. If you choose to court someone of your same sex, then you choose to forgoe traditional family life.

 

[golfballs]

:bump3:

Since gay marriage is a hot issue right now. Let's go down the tracks a little bit. How do you feel about gay adoption?

 

[golfballs]

Yes, because these not one Gay and Lesbian Rights group has ever even attempted to distance themselves from the people who made the claims I referred to.

I could really care less about what one decides to do with their sex life. However, I have a problem when you take a group of people whose rights are argued for by the same people who argue for the rights of NAMBLA and then say, here, take a child into your own household, where you can do whatever you like to it in the privacy of your home. If you choose to court someone of your same sex, then you choose to forgoe traditional family life.

I tend to agree, I think.

 

[GAVol]

It wouldnt be my first choice, but all adoption is good.

 

[therealUT]

I tend to agree, I think.

Oh, the things I believed when I believed...