GE and Crony Capitalism - We should all be against this

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kptvol said:
I've been to Europe and Asia. There are some nice spots in Europe, but I don't think the average bloke has it any better than anyone over here. I'm really struggling to see where Asia has us beat in quality of life.
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you should see some of the ****holes that the poor live in europe. they'd consider our projects rich people housing.
 
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#102
lawgator1 said:
One could argue that the election of Obama and the aggressive resistance you see to the effort to kill the unions are the opening shots ...
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If so... you have started a hopeless war.

FWIW, I would welcome an amicable divorce. We were supposed to be a federalist system with a small federal gov't then states with alot of latitude. Liberals cannot seem to stand freedom.... so they have progressively centralized power in DC.

If you will not back off and allow freedom then I would rather offer a split than see blood shed. I would give you Lot's choice... if you take one part, we will take the other.
 
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kptvol said:
I've been to Europe and Asia. There are some nice spots in Europe, but I don't think the average bloke has it any better than anyone over here. I'm really struggling to see where Asia has us beat in quality of life.
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By Asia I'm referring to east Asia... Mainly Japan and how things are developing in S Korea. No China, no SE Asia for the most part, current/former communist states specifically.

But most other first world countries, the outcomes are better than here... Again, better life expectancy and infant mortality are more adequate statistics to look at. It's no direct indicator of how the average person gets by or what they enjoy, but there is some level of correlation.

It just depends on what you look at as being the better outcome. Yeah, you can get better quality here, but for one reason or another, there is a huge portion of people with little or no care whatsoever (Again, not saying the gov't is responsible for all, accountability can be considered here. If you think I'm spouting socialist ideals here, don't respond), something that is pretty rare among all other highly developed countries.
 
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#105
you think south korea has a better quality of life than the US? even japan is pretty laughable.
 
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droski said:
you think south korea has a better quality of life than the US? even japan is pretty laughable.
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Not debating that you can make a better QoL here than most other countries.

I didn't see anywhere in Japan that was nearly as worse off as the poorest areas that accompany practically every major metro area in the US.

This thread got kinda sideways, huh...
 
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#114
Haven't been, just said they're starting to trend up. That's all I've said in every post, they may be close to making improvements, and seem to be trending up on the HDI. If people took that out of context, I apologize for not framing the statement better.

Jeeeeeezus, it can be difficult to have any sort of debate using examples sometimes.
 
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IPorange said:
Perhaps it's the position in the debate that's the issue?
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What? I said this:

- We're outclassed by other countries in many areas which contribute to overall SoL and QoL (using HDR statistics)
- We're outclassed by many other countries in overall health quality, using infant mortality and life expectancy as an adequate, if not precise measuring stick

And I say that we have issues both with the healthcare system and the national mentality that leads to these issues. We have much room for improvement in both areas, no? Does anybody care to debate this?
 
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#117
Not many people in here will debate the statement that healthcare is broke, however, there have been numerous threads on the proper way to fix it. I honestly don't know what the correct fix is, I just know Obamacare isn't isn't it.
 
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#118
Same. If I could narrow it down to a statement, it's that we have some serious issues. The way to fix them is what the debate is.

IMO "fixing" (or eliminating, whatever your viewpoint is) the administrative side of healthcare isn't focusing on a broad enough view of the issue.
 
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#119
milohimself said:
What? I said this:

- We're outclassed by other countries in many areas which contribute to overall SoL and QoL (using HDR statistics)
- We're outclassed by many other countries in overall health quality, using infant mortality and life expectancy as an adequate, if not precise measuring stick

And I say that we have issues both with the healthcare system and the national mentality that leads to these issues. We have much room for improvement in both areas, no? Does anybody care to debate this?
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You are absolutely right, and there are a host of other metrics that prove you right as rain. The two quoted are measurements of civilization and of critical importance.

As to what to do about it, I always look to the real world. We have about three dozen population sized real-world working models which seem to do a better job for less money than our current system.

Better job for less money.

If this was the market which product would we be buying?????????
 
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nbakerld said:
No doubt. Every year there is more and more regulation. Nobody can argue this.
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utgibbs said:
No one with any facts from the real world can argue what you are arguing. As I have demonstrated. If you want to know more, pick up the very bourgeois history of Daniel Yergin The Commanding Heights.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, it's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
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Sorry I hate to revisit this, but I'm still in shock that somebody would actually think we are becoming less regulated. Watching Stossel (from 3/25 on my DVR) and he stated in his opening that just in the last week the federal government had adopted over 1000 pages of new rules and regulations.
 
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