Geno Great Recruiter is all

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Tell you who is a winner and very good coach from what I can see... Scott Rueck from Oregon State.... nowhere to FF in 6 years
 
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chuck0303 said:
NOT[/B] to be judged on their win-loss record like the men? If it was a guy he'd already have been canned.
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You're making, what I consider to be, an invalid assumption. You apparently have the idea that our current athletic director cares, one way or the other, about, 1) being politically correct, and 2) whether or not the women's teams are winning or losing.

In my opinion, Dave Hart only cares about how much money the athletic department has to spend on the women's teams, and the less the better. Hiring someone other than Holly at the time that Pat had to step down would have cost significantly more money, particularly if he had attempted to hire a "top-tier" coach, and to do any less than that would have made his disinterest in the women's teams even more obvious. By hiring Holly (and it is not my intent to cast any aspersions at Holly by stating this) Hart gained some time because he was seen as acceding to Pat's wishes and maintaining continuity. If Holly fails, he will be able to hide behind the rubric of no "top-tier" coach being willing to step into the resultant mess, resulting in the ability to spend less money for a mid-level hire.

Jim
 
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Geno is the best women's basketball coach of all time. Pat most influential. Big differance. Hate to say it cause he is a big d-bag!!!
 
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This is one of the strangest concepts that fans have. They somehow want to strip "recruiting" away from "coaching", as if the two are somehow different.

IT'S WHAT COLLEGE COACHING IS! Game day coaching, player development, administrative leadership and recruiting. It's what the job description IS. A good coach does all of those well. Some are better at onenor the other. But does it matter HOW a coach wins? NO.

This whole idea is insane to me. Coaches should be judged on results, not ambiguous guesses at parcels of the job. I could care less if the UTLVs win their next title with twelve 2* recruits and the greatest game coach ever. Or if they have 12 McDs AAs and a crappy game coach who wins with overwhelming talent alone. Who cares?

What's worse is that it just looks like sour grapes from a competitor that has gotten left in the dust for 6-7 years. Geno is without question the head and shoulders above all BEST WCBB coach in the land. Nobody else is even close.

I hate it, but it is what it is. Learn some respect for success I say.
 
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508mikey said:
for women
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Whoa that is deep.

Let's extend this profound insight.

John Wooden was a good coach for men;

Bill Belichick is good for football.

Boats are good for water;

Cars are good for roads.

Different things are different.

Thanks for the perspective
 
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CannonVol80 said:
You're making, what I consider to be, an invalid assumption. You apparently have the idea that our current athletic director cares, one way or the other, about, 1) being politically correct, and 2) whether or not the women's teams are winning or losing.

In my opinion, Dave Hart only cares about how much money the athletic department has to spend on the women's teams, and the less the better. Hiring someone other than Holly at the time that Pat had to step down would have cost significantly more money, particularly if he had attempted to hire a "top-tier" coach, and to do any less than that would have made his disinterest in the women's teams even more obvious. By hiring Holly (and it is not my intent to cast any aspersions at Holly by stating this) Hart gained some time because he was seen as acceding to Pat's wishes and maintaining continuity. If Holly fails, he will be able to hide behind the rubric of no "top-tier" coach being willing to step into the resultant mess, resulting in the ability to spend less money for a mid-level hire.

Jim
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You make some very valid and plausible points. I don't know Dave Hart, only through this blog and comments pro/con here. I certainly understand that the $$$ are what sports are about today but I hate to see our women's program (and LV fans) suffer because of political correctness. I guess what we're really saying is "when is it going to get better" because it doesn't look like it's going to get better any time soon.
 
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teeball said:
I guess you think Saban is just a good recruiter too and that anybody could win with his talent. Geesh !!!
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Oh yea, even Dooley could have won with Saban's recruits, any coach could have. It only makes sense!!!!:crazy:
 
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chuck0303 said:
I don't like the guy because he's a smartazz but nobody should doubt his coaching ability. As others have said, he demands excellence, teaches, and makes player better through development. Even though he mostly appears to be a snob to others, he definitely takes an interest, I think, in each of his players and wants them to be the best they can be. I don't see how anyone can look objectively at his program and say otherwise. I wish we had a coach who could compete but I don't see one in the forseeable future for UT. They're not going to fire Holly until the current talent is gone and UT hits rock bottom. So sad to see such an enviable, historic program go down in flames.
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Just goes to show you how in today's era it's more important to be politically correct than successful. Why is it okay for women coaches NOT to be judged on their win-loss record like the men? If it was a guy he'd already have been canned.
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Not based on 1 year, chuck0303. Holly won 80% of her games prior to this season.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
A lot of teams have talent but underperform. Oregon State, Washington, and Syracuse are all at the Final Four this year. Which of those three teams has more talent than Tennessee this year? Having superior talent is no guarantee of success.
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If a team has a coach then success is more likely.
 
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arkyvol said:
I wonder what the Lady Vols record would have been if Gino had been head coach here this year. I could put it another way and speculate what the outcome would have been had Geno coached the Lady Vols against this year's version of the Huskies, but in all fairness that team would win even with Holly at the helm. In other words, they're unbeatable.
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unbeatable?

not if they'd make the refs call the game as the rules of the game are written. No palming the ball on the dribble. offensive charges calls consistent, ban the "Euro" step /traveling non calls.

And chain BS up to a sasquatch and ship her to the Oregon coast. :)
 
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Crystal Dangerfield, a McDonald's All-American, received the National Player of the Year Award at a ceremony on March 29 in Chicago a day before she played in the McDonald's All American Game at 5:30 p.m. March 30 at the United Center.

The high school Crystal Dangerfield, played basketball is ten miles from my house. So, you tell me Geno can't get the best and isn't just a top 5 coach.
 
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gule said:
unbeatable?

not if they'd make the refs call the game as the rules of the game are written. No palming the ball on the dribble. offensive charges calls consistent, ban the "Euro" step /traveling non calls.

And chain BS up to a sasquatch and ship her to the Oregon coast. :)
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She'd make the sasquatch her pet and Oregon would win its first NCAA Championship.
 
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Nute Gunray said:
Not based on 1 year, chuck0303. Holly won 80% of her games prior to this season.
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You can't just look at a coache's winning record, you need to look at the team's those wins were against. How did the coach fare against top 10 teams? How did they perform in clutch situations? Was the team comprised of top talent but under achieved? Are the players improving or have they hit a wall? There is no doubt that Holly has the talent to win, no question, the bigger question is does her wins equate to the team's talent level? The other question is major, can she replenish the team with top talent year after year?

A lot of those question should be answered next year. Genno is at the top of the heap with his relentless offense and a smothering defense. Does Holly have what it takes to compete with the best? Like in the men's game the women's game has to be measured by its ability to compete with the best. Pat set the standard and Genno met that standard and went above. The question becomes are we just going to settle in and brag about reaching the elite 8 when we have final 4 talent? Right now with her great winning record Holly does not seem to have the coaching ability to beat the best. Please do not defend her coaching by naming all the top teams that fell by the waste side. Holly's success or failure should be measured and compared to the best. The goal of every team should be to compete with the best and not to just reach the elite 8.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Yes that's what he has proven. I also think he's scared of anything else. He is comfortable no doubt.
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By that logic, John Wooden was scared to coach in the NBA. He was no doubt comfortable coaching at UCLA because he won all those championships.

A business example would be a medical sales rep making $250K/yr over a 15 year stretch, "scared" of becoming a sales manager or going to medical school.

Warped logic indeed.

Haters just love to hate Geno, and will find any reason to take shots. The man can flat out coach.
 
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Geno is a first class !%@#.

Having said that, he's the best coach/recruiter in the game.

He's not taking the best talent and just getting by. He's destroying every team he plays.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
By that logic, John Wooden was scared to coach in the NBA. He was no doubt comfortable coaching at UCLA because he won all those championships.

A business example would be a medical sales rep making $250K/yr over a 15 year stretch, "scared" of becoming a sales manager or going to medical school.

Warped logic indeed.

Haters just love to hate Geno, and will find any reason to take shots. The man can flat out coach.
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I think Geno would be a great coach in College Men's basketball. His style of play would give other teams fits.
 
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