George Will: McCain Loses His Head

[KB5252]

just as long as all candidates subject to the same assumption

Oh, I forgot about that! I guess that makes Obama a racist and separatist. Doesn't exactly sound like a unifier now does he?

 

[therealUT]

I love how people can bring up her faith. Yet, any ties to Rev. Wright are inherently racist.

 

[rjd970]

so what you're saying is Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, Michael Pfleger, and Al Sharpton are your kind of spiritual guides?

No, they are all loony if you ask me. Nice try. See below for qualifier.....

just as long as all candidates subject to the same assumption

I love how people can bring up her faith. Yet, any ties to Rev. Wright are inherently racist.

I am just as concerned about Obama's beliefs as well, I never said otherwise. My beef is that you don't hear anybody say that the Rev. Wright controversy had as much to do with religion as with racism. Anybody that had looked at the website of Wright's church could see that it would be a problem sooner or later for Obama. What Obama should have have done is immediately cut his ties with the church (not just the pastor) and moved on.

But he couldn't. Because among other politically incorrect mistakes, this may have put his faith in Jesus under question.

There is a very real difference between Palin and Obama on this front. Obama's religious pandering is just as bad McCain's....but there is a suspicion that this is exactly what it is....pandering out of necessasity. By all accounts, Palin seems to really believe what she says (as do about half of Americans) about the Biblical end of the world. Even if Obama or McCain really believe everything they say they do...they certainly aren't rapture-ready, creationist dogmatists. Say what you want about Obama's experience, politics, etc....it doesn't change the fact that he is extremely intelligent and well educated. Sarah Palin believes the earth is 10,000 years old. This is worth noting.

If this is a mischaracterization, let her come out of her media hiding hole and say so.

And what has she said or done to make you believe she would run this country like we are in the last days?

She has said nonething to make me believe she wouldn't and some things to suggest that it certainly wouldn't go against what she believes. Here is some of the things she and her church have said publicly:

YouTube - Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview
YouTube - Palin church: Alaska 'refuge' for Armageddon
Wasilla Assembly of God-Knowing God and Making Him Known in Alaska...

The "biased and sexist" mainstream news was all over the Rev. Wright controvery but have mostly silent over this, minus a couple of segments here and there. It certainly isn't an issue on the same level.

 

[MG1968]

you do realize that many Christians believe in the Armageddon story in the Book of Revelation. I'm sure even Black Liberation Theology has some opinion on it as well.

Palin isn't as rigid in her religious views as you would like to believe. She wears makeup, her daughters wear pants, she sings the National Anthem, believes in secular science and technology, and so on.

What's obvious here is that you are scared of Palin and are looking for any reason to oppose her candidacy. There's nothing really wrong with that, I am scared of Obama's socialism and Biden's penchant for lying through his teeth and pretending to be intelligent.

 

[Headed For Home]

No, they are all loony if you ask me. Nice try. See below for qualifier.....





I am just as concerned about Obama's beliefs as well, I never said otherwise. My beef is that you don't hear anybody say that the Rev. Wright controversy had as much to do with religion as with racism. Anybody that had looked at the website of Wright's church could see that it would be a problem sooner or later for Obama. What Obama should have have done is immediately cut his ties with the church (not just the pastor) and moved on.

But he couldn't. Because among other politically incorrect mistakes, this may have put his faith in Jesus under question.

There is a very real difference between Palin and Obama on this front. Obama's religious pandering is just as bad McCain's....but there is a suspicion that this is exactly what it is....pandering out of necessasity. By all accounts, Palin seems to really believe what she says (as do about half of Americans) about the Biblical end of the world. Even if Obama or McCain really believe everything they say they do...they certainly aren't rapture-ready, creationist dogmatists. Say what you want about Obama's experience, politics, etc....it doesn't change the fact that he is extremely intelligent and well educated. Sarah Palin believes the earth is 10,000 years old. This is worth noting.

If this is a mischaracterization, let her come out of her media hiding hole and say so.



She has said nonething to make me believe she wouldn't and some things to suggest that it certainly wouldn't go against what she believes. Here is some of the things she and her church have said publicly:

YouTube - Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview
YouTube - Palin church: Alaska 'refuge' for Armageddon
Wasilla Assembly of God-Knowing God and Making Him Known in Alaska...

The "biased and sexist" mainstream news was all over the Rev. Wright controvery but have mostly silent over this, minus a couple of segments here and there. It certainly isn't an issue on the same level.

I'd like to know what is wrong with actually beliving the the religious doctrine that you claim. I refuse to vote for a candidate who wants to tell me about their wonderful faith and then show themselves to stand for the exact opposite of what they have claimed to believe.

Apparently you think it is great for the candidate to lie as long as they are "cool".

I know from your post that you just don't get this whole GOD thing. You really should look into it. You will be surprised what you are missing out on. An Assemblies of God church would be an excellent place to learn.

 

[VolByBirth]

I'd like to know what is wrong with actually beliving the the religious doctrine that you claim. I refuse to vote for a candidate who wants to tell me about their wonderful faith and then show themselves to stand for the exact opposite of what they have claimed to believe.

Apparently you think it is great for the candidate to lie as long as they are "cool".

I know from your post that you just don't get this whole GOD thing. You really should look into it. You will be surprised what you are missing out on. An Assemblies of God church would be an excellent place to learn.

I'd be curious as to your definition of this "whole God thing".

 

[rjd970]

MG1968:
you do realize that many Christians believe in the Armageddon story in the Book of Revelation. I'm sure even Black Liberation Theology has some opinion on it as well.

...and you do realize that many christians will not be a heartbeat away from having the nuclear codes, no? What exactly are we supposed to go on to believe Palin will actually excercise deep thought and consideration when making decisions on foreign policy? Heck, what are we supposed to go on to believe she actually knows what's going on internationally in the first place? This is a person who, for all we know, really believes Alaska will be a safehaven in the final days.

MG1968:
What's obvious here is that you are scared of Palin and are looking for any reason to oppose her candidacy. There's nothing really wrong with that, I am scared of Obama's socialism and Biden's penchant for lying through his teeth and pretending to be intelligent.

Your absolutely right, I am scared of her. I'm scared that a Palin presidency is actually possible, and most other people should be too. And why don't you look at your own house before spewing attacks at Biden for lying and pretending to be intelligent? Palin is even worse! Lying about "bridge to nowhere"? Not being able to intelligently answer ANY question about foreign, domestic, or economic policy without recourse back to rehearsed lines and talking points crammed in by McCain advisors? It's funny you attack the democratic ticket for lying and idiocy when the republicans basically have a VP candidate that is Bush in drag.

Headed For Home:
I'd like to know what is wrong with actually beliving the the religious doctrine that you claim. I refuse to vote for a candidate who wants to tell me about their wonderful faith and then show themselves to stand for the exact opposite of what they have claimed to believe.

Believe whatever you want, but keep it out of political policy. If you want to believe the earth was created in a single act of creation over a 7-day period 10,000 years ago, and God created man out of dust and divine breath in a garden with a talking snake, and that every creature on earth must have been within walking distance of Noah's arc, no one is stopping you. But when you want to teach such nonsense along side evolutionary theory backed by 150 years of intense scientific scrutiny, there is a problem. Palin, at the very least, believes such mythical stories deserve equal time as legitimate science....and she is doing this because she is standing for what she really believes.

But hey, she is standing for what she believes in, and you find merit in that.

Headed For Home:
I know from your post that you just don't get this whole GOD thing. You really should look into it. You will be surprised what you are missing out on. An Assemblies of God church would be an excellent place to learn.

Your right, I don't get this whole God thing. I have actually read the Bible from front to back which puts me in a category that most christians cannot claim. I have read the Qu'ran and The Book of Mormon as well. I have found there is much one can take away from all these books, and some of it is a beautiful distillation on moral conduct and social justice. But the simple fact of the matter is, when actually read, this is few and far between. Both the Old and New Testament has a wealth of examples of how God has, and eventually will, reign down a terror of genocide, infanticide, rape, pillage, disease, and ethnic cleansing. It's true we are taught to love one another and treat each other with respect, but there is also a wealth of information on how to sacrifice a wide variety of farm animals.

I know what I am missing out on. I read the Golden Rule and find it to be a great and simple way to live my life. But I don't have to believe God sent his only begotten son to be born of a Galilean virgin, learn the carpenter's trade, and then die for the rest of us. I think Muslims are delusional to actually believe Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged horse, and I think it is equally delusional to believe a man can walk on water, cast out demons, and bring people back to life.

Barack Obama, of course, can't say this. When 44% (from a Gallup Poll in 2004) of the electorate really believes Jesus will return to earth in the next 50 years sometime, some pandering needs to be done to make the masses content you believe what they do. I thought it was disgusting that the Rev. Wright business turned into a racist issue. What really needed to be said by Obama on the issue he would not, and even could not say. Anybody who believes there is not a religious test for office is delusional.

Palin, on the other hand, doens't need to pander, because she really believes the story in Revelation as absolute fact. McCain knows this, and because he lacks the glow of proper evangelical bamboozlement, he parades her around like his pet to draw the big crowds and Bush supporters, without regard to what it would be like if this person actually had to take office.

I hope I am wrong, and I would love for her to come out and prove it.

 

[KB5252]

...and you do realize that many christians will not be a heartbeat away from having the nuclear codes, no? What exactly are we supposed to go on to believe Palin will actually excercise deep thought and consideration when making decisions on foreign policy? Heck, what are we supposed to go on to believe she actually knows what's going on internationally in the first place? This is a person who, for all we know, really believes Alaska will be a safehaven in the final days.



To follow your flawed and distorted logic and turn it around on you:

What are we suppose to go on to believe that Obama will exercise deep thought and consideration on policies? What are we to go on blind faith that he actually knows what is going on internationally in the first place? This is a person for all we know that believes America should be damned to hell and deserves to be toppled because of the evil white devil that resides in her.

Are you beginning to follow yet. Just because you throw out this nonsense (Daily Kos or Huffington sourced no doubt) does not make it likely or even probable.

 

[volinbham]

...and you do realize that many christians will not be a heartbeat away from having the nuclear codes, no? What exactly are we supposed to go on to believe Palin will actually excercise deep thought and consideration when making decisions on foreign policy? Heck, what are we supposed to go on to believe she actually knows what's going on internationally in the first place? This is a person who, for all we know, really believes Alaska will be a safehaven in the final days.

I don't know - perhaps you could look at her record as mayor and governor and try to find any example of this religious extremity resulting in policy decisions. I don't see any, do you?

The same comments you posted above could be said about Obama (though I don't believe it). Look at his religious background - what are we supposed to look to suggest he doesn't live and breath Black Liberation Theology? Simple, we can separate his church from his actions. It would be nice if you'd extend the same open-mindedness.

 

[rjd970]

KB5252:
What are we suppose to go on to believe that Obama will exercise deep thought and consideration on policies? What are we to go on blind faith that he actually knows what is going on internationally in the first place? This is a person for all we know that believes America should be damned to hell and deserves to be toppled because of the evil white devil that resides in her.

For starters, we can look at the decision to go into Iraq as an example of deeper understanding into world affairs. The fact that he is the only one saying the political and nationalistic goals of the surge still haven't come to fruition. The fact that his plan of troop withdrawal is in line with what the Iraqi PM is saying. The fact that he has said from day one we should be focusing on Afghanistan. Should I go on?

Palin can see Russia from her house, and McCain wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely. Nice.

You last little sentence there is quite amusing as well. Palin is actually on video declaring her crazy beliefs, and for all we know, still a member of her church. Obama has, at the very least, distanced himself from Rev. Wright's crazy beliefs.

KB5252:
Are you beginning to follow yet. Just because you throw out this nonsense (Daily Kos or Huffington sourced no doubt) does not make it likely or even probable.

Well, one thing is for sure, you are not being able to follow. Palin is on video saying some of these things. Obama had to distance himself from a single clip of one sermon to which he didn't even witness. He doesn't even go to the Church anymore. Palin, by all accounts, is still a member of hers, and has done nothing to distance herself from it.

We are in a completely different world of evidence here. If it makes you feel better inside to call it nonsense then go ahead, but you have shown nothing to make me believe you have the slightest clue you know what you are talking about. Apparently, it's OK for a candidate to go to a church where the pastor says anybody voting for Kerry is going to hell, even if it was a joke. However, when one pastor makes disgusting racial comments Obama is forced to answer for it.

 

[rjd970]

I don't know - perhaps you could look at her record as mayor and governor and try to find any example of this religious extremity resulting in policy decisions. I don't see any, do you?

The same comments you posted above could be said about Obama (though I don't believe it). Look at his religious background - what are we supposed to look to suggest he doesn't live and breath Black Liberation Theology? Simple, we can separate his church from his actions. It would be nice if you'd extend the same open-mindedness.

What about pushing equal time for creationism and evolution in school? True, it was never ultimately instituted, but she was all for it during her campaign.

When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

This is the same person who said she doesn't know how we got here and then in the same breath, delcares she believes we have a creator.

Futhermore:

Palin's former pastor says he has no doubt her religious beliefs will influence her decision making when it comes to government policy. Regarding her desire to build an Alaskan pipeline and explore for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, McGraw told CNN, "Sarah knows that in Genesis, God creates the world and it's very good and that we're supposed to be caretakers in terms of not destroying the environment, so there's no way that Sarah is going to exploit or damage the Alaska tundra in the name of getting gas if she doesn't have to."

Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs - CNN.com

The closest thing I have found is she said, in the same above article:

"I've honestly answered the questions on what my personal views are on things like abortion and a lot of controversial issues," Palin told AP. "I won't hesitate to answer those questions about what my personal views are, but I am not one to be out there preaching and forcing my views on anyone else."

Of course, Bush has made similar statements, then in part he based his Iraq decision on consulting a "higher Power". Forgive me if I am unconvinced.

Obama has repeatedly distanced himself from Wright and left the Church. What else does he need to do? Conversly, we have every reason to believe that if McCain were to unfortunately not wake up one morning, Palin would believe it is a calling from God that she was chsoen to be president.

 

[onevolfan]

changing the subject for a second....that's a cute baby!

 

[BigPapaVol]

What about pushing equal time for creationism and evolution in school? True, it was never ultimately instituted, but she was all for it during her campaign.

Campaigns are full of empty rhetoric and positional lies. It isn't new. Obama is the champion in this regard.


This is the same person who said she doesn't know how we got here and then in the same breath, delcares she believes we have a creator.

do you have any doubt that the juxtaposition you're pointing out here is complete garbage. If you don't, then all your other nonsense about her church views becomes garbage too.

Futhermore:


Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs - CNN.com

The closest thing I have found is she said, in the same above article:



Of course, Bush has made similar statements, then in part he based his Iraq decision on consulting a "higher Power". Forgive me if I am unconvinced.

Obama has repeatedly distanced himself from Wright and left the Church. What else does he need to do? Conversly, we have every reason to believe that if McCain were to unfortunately not wake up one morning, Palin would believe it is a calling from God that she was chsoen to be president.

Obama only distanced himself after not distancing himself. He did it purely for political purposes. The large difference here is the one VBH points out. She has no track record of pushing religious views as policy. Obama's entire body of political effort is wrapped up in Black Liberation Theology and I'd like to see you dispute that.

See bold above.

 

[BigPapaVol]

changing the subject for a second....that's a cute baby!

no it isn't. It's a future dem made to look cute by Vol clothing.

 

[KB5252]

For starters, we can look at the decision to go into Iraq as an example of deeper understanding into world affairs. The fact that he is the only one saying the political and nationalistic goals of the surge still haven't come to fruition. The fact that his plan of troop withdrawal is in line with what the Iraqi PM is saying. The fact that he has said from day one we should be focusing on Afghanistan. Should I go on?
Don't forget the fact that he has flopped on many of these issues, not to mention being wrong about the surge. Don't forget about him declaring we should invade a foreign nation (Pakistan) while you praise him for his opposition to the invasion of Iraq!
Palin can see Russia from her house, and McCain wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely. Nice.
The fact is no matter who is elected president we will have troops on the ground for decades at least. (This is what McCain was talking about and you either know it and would rather believe otherwise or you it is just over you head[highly unlikely]).

Palin's comments were a figure of speech (don't play games like you don't understand).
You last little sentence there is quite amusing as well. Palin is actually on video declaring her crazy beliefs, and for all we know, still a member of her church. Obama has, at the very least, distanced himself from Rev. Wright's crazy beliefs.



Well, one thing is for sure, you are not being able to follow. Palin is on video saying some of these things. Obama had to distance himself from a single clip of one sermon to which he didn't even witness. He doesn't even go to the Church anymore. Palin, by all accounts, is still a member of hers, and has done nothing to distance herself from it.
Obama had to distance himself from a 20 year mentor who advocated separatism while spewing racist nonsense. That is a little more than a single clip from a single sermon, way to objective about it.
We are in a completely different world of evidence here. If it makes you feel better inside to call it nonsense then go ahead, but you have shown nothing to make me believe you have the slightest clue you know what you are talking about. Apparently, it's OK for a candidate to go to a church where the pastor says anybody voting for Kerry is going to hell, even if it was a joke. However, when one pastor makes disgusting racial comments Obama is forced to answer for it.

A joke in bad taste every now and then can slide. Having a 20 year mentor/preacher who advocates separatist beliefs, not to mention making racist comments towards white people and despising America is a separate issue and one that any candidate, white,black, Dem, or Rep should have to answer to!

If you can't see the difference there you in no way have the capacity to be objective!

 

[KB5252]

What about pushing equal time for creationism and evolution in school? True, it was never ultimately instituted, but she was all for it during her campaign.



This is the same person who said she doesn't know how we got here and then in the same breath, delcares she believes we have a creator.

Futhermore:


Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs - CNN.com

The closest thing I have found is she said, in the same above article:



Of course, Bush has made similar statements, then in part he based his Iraq decision on consulting a "higher Power". Forgive me if I am unconvinced.

Obama has repeatedly distanced himself from Wright and left the Church. What else does he need to do? Conversly, we have every reason to believe that if McCain were to unfortunately not wake up one morning, Palin would believe it is a calling from God that she was chsoen to be president.

He did what he needed to do, the only thing he could do, he did try to resist though. That doesn't really matter. What does matter is his poor choice in his decision making concerning his political and personal life. He has way too many shady people (even by political standards) in his closet!

 

[onevolfan]

no it isn't. It's a future dem made to look cute by Vol clothing.

That's why he's cute on both counts.

btw, HE'S not an IT! What an insult! :birgits_giggle:

 

[OWB]

why is it you only post stuff that's negative against McCain? you could easily do the same w/ the other party. I know where you stand, but still.

Are you serious? Have you looked around this forum? It's a Republican cesspool. I think a couple of threads about McCain are okay.

 

[KB5252]

Are you serious? Have you looked around this forum? It's a Republican cesspool. I think a couple of threads about McCain are okay.

why must it be thought of as a republican cesspool? I have seen many internet cesspools and none of them look like this.

 

[joevol320]

...and you do realize that many christians will not be a heartbeat away from having the nuclear codes, no? What exactly are we supposed to go on to believe Palin will actually excercise deep thought and consideration when making decisions on foreign policy? Heck, what are we supposed to go on to believe she actually knows what's going on internationally in the first place? This is a person who, for all we know, really believes Alaska will be a safehaven in the final days.



Your absolutely right, I am scared of her. I'm scared that a Palin presidency is actually possible, and most other people should be too. And why don't you look at your own house before spewing attacks at Biden for lying and pretending to be intelligent? Palin is even worse! Lying about "bridge to nowhere"? Not being able to intelligently answer ANY question about foreign, domestic, or economic policy without recourse back to rehearsed lines and talking points crammed in by McCain advisors? It's funny you attack the democratic ticket for lying and idiocy when the republicans basically have a VP candidate that is Bush in drag.



Believe whatever you want, but keep it out of political policy. If you want to believe the earth was created in a single act of creation over a 7-day period 10,000 years ago, and God created man out of dust and divine breath in a garden with a talking snake, and that every creature on earth must have been within walking distance of Noah's arc, no one is stopping you. But when you want to teach such nonsense along side evolutionary theory backed by 150 years of intense scientific scrutiny, there is a problem. Palin, at the very least, believes such mythical stories deserve equal time as legitimate science....and she is doing this because she is standing for what she really believes.

But hey, she is standing for what she believes in, and you find merit in that.



Your right, I don't get this whole God thing. I have actually read the Bible from front to back which puts me in a category that most christians cannot claim. I have read the Qu'ran and The Book of Mormon as well. I have found there is much one can take away from all these books, and some of it is a beautiful distillation on moral conduct and social justice. But the simple fact of the matter is, when actually read, this is few and far between. Both the Old and New Testament has a wealth of examples of how God has, and eventually will, reign down a terror of genocide, infanticide, rape, pillage, disease, and ethnic cleansing. It's true we are taught to love one another and treat each other with respect, but there is also a wealth of information on how to sacrifice a wide variety of farm animals.

I know what I am missing out on. I read the Golden Rule and find it to be a great and simple way to live my life. But I don't have to believe God sent his only begotten son to be born of a Galilean virgin, learn the carpenter's trade, and then die for the rest of us. I think Muslims are delusional to actually believe Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged horse, and I think it is equally delusional to believe a man can walk on water, cast out demons, and bring people back to life.

Barack Obama, of course, can't say this. When 44% (from a Gallup Poll in 2004) of the electorate really believes Jesus will return to earth in the next 50 years sometime, some pandering needs to be done to make the masses content you believe what they do. I thought it was disgusting that the Rev. Wright business turned into a racist issue. What really needed to be said by Obama on the issue he would not, and even could not say. Anybody who believes there is not a religious test for office is delusional.

Palin, on the other hand, doens't need to pander, because she really believes the story in Revelation as absolute fact. McCain knows this, and because he lacks the glow of proper evangelical bamboozlement, he parades her around like his pet to draw the big crowds and Bush supporters, without regard to what it would be like if this person actually had to take office.

I hope I am wrong, and I would love for her to come out and prove it.

you poor thing, you are such a confused person. sounds like you need to start your own religion and use the parts from each religions that you like. then you can justify your thinking.

 

[BigPapaVol]

That's why he's cute on both counts.

btw, HE'S not an IT! What an insult! :birgits_giggle:

the clothing wasn't much of a giveaway on the gender, so I took the safe route.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Are you serious? Have you looked around this forum? It's a Republican cesspool. I think a couple of threads about McCain are okay.

any dem willing to throw around words like cesspool in regards to Republicans is OK with me.

Just curious, what do you think the D/R ratio is in prison?

 

[rjd970]

BigPapaVol:
Obama only distanced himself after not distancing himself. He did it purely for political purposes.

Of course he didn't initially distance himself, that is the whole point of my argument here. He has to say things like "this man brought me to the foot of Jesus", "he is my spiritual mentor", and "I have a long affinity to the Church". When 85% of the country believes that accepting Jesus is their one and only ticket to heaven, such declarations are needed politically, I don't dispute that. Anybody looking into the theology of that Church could have seen it would be a problem at some point in his campaign, but he can't simply walk-away from it without questions of his conviction to faith from the religious masses.

But, yet again, there is nonething to suggest that he actually believes the silly rhetoric coming out of that Church, or that he would put it into practice as President. Sure he went to that Church for 20 years, but Palin has been a member of Wasilla Assembley of God since she was a teenager. Obama distanced himself from it, quit the church, and denounced what was said. We do, on the otherhand, have every reason to believe Palin truly finds it advantageous to view all world events through a religious spectrum.

BigPapaVol:
The large difference here is the one VBH points out. She has no track record of pushing religious views as policy.[/B Obama's entire body of political effort is wrapped up in Black Liberation Theology and I'd like to see you dispute that.

This is spurious, at best. She, as Govenor and Mayor, never had to deal with an international crisis. She has had no record whatsoever of even having a opinion on a national security issue. Think about it....when Russia misbehaves, Iran goes crazy, North Korea starts launching missiles into downtown Seoul, Pakistan start invading India and giving away nuclear secrets....do we really want our leaders thinking about Biblical Armageddon when they say "all options are on the table"? After 8 years of having a man in charge that deals with an international threat by throwing together faulty intelligence, saying a prayer, and jumping on his horse to go after "terrorism" as the commander-in-chief...it would be nice to actually have somebody that actually thinks through the crisis without gambling, going on a hunch, and looking into Putin's eyes to see his soul. Somehow, I can picture a Palin presidency very similar to this. The only thing she has done even remotely related to national security has been recourses to a pipeline she believes was the will of God, but still hasn't been built.

She is a farce as VP, and is nothing more than a beauty queen and sports reporter that fell into small-town politics on her way to becoming a potential Vice President or even President. I'm not going to underestimate her views. Her supporters know that while she cannot afford to talk about her religious worldviews between now and election day, if she is elected, she will most certainly practice her dogmatism until the Day of Judgment.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Of course he didn't initially distance himself, that is the whole point of my argument here. He has to say things like "this man brought me to the foot of Jesus", "he is my spiritual mentor", and "I have a long affinity to the Church". When 85% of the country believes that accepting Jesus is their one and only ticket to heaven, such declarations are needed politically, I don't dispute that. Anybody looking into the theology of that Church could have seen it would be a problem at some point in his campaign, but he can't simply walk-away from it without questions of his conviction to faith from the religious masses.

But, yet again, there is nonething to suggest that he actually believes the silly rhetoric coming out of that Church, or that he would put it into practice as President. Sure he went to that Church for 20 years, but Palin has been a member of Wasilla Assembley of God since she was a teenager. Obama distanced himself from it, quit the church, and denounced what was said. We do, on the otherhand, have every reason to believe Palin truly finds it advantageous to view all world events through a religious spectrum.



This is spurious, at best. She, as Govenor and Mayor, never had to deal with an international crisis. She has had no record whatsoever of even having a opinion on a national security issue. Think about it....when Russia misbehaves, Iran goes crazy, North Korea starts launching missiles into downtown Seoul, Pakistan start invading India and giving away nuclear secrets....do we really want our leaders thinking about Biblical Armageddon when they say "all options are on the table"? After 8 years of having a man in charge that deals with an international threat by throwing together faulty intelligence, saying a prayer, and jumping on his horse to go after "terrorism" as the commander-in-chief...it would be nice to actually have somebody that actually thinks through the crisis without gambling, going on a hunch, and looking into Putin's eyes to see his soul. Somehow, I can picture a Palin presidency very similar to this. The only thing she has done even remotely related to national security has been recourses to a pipeline she believes was the will of God, but still hasn't been built.

She is a farce as VP, and is nothing more than a beauty queen and sports reporter that fell into small-town politics on her way to becoming a potential Vice President or even President. I'm not going to underestimate her views. Her supporters know that while she cannot afford to talk about her religious worldviews between now and election day, if she is elected, she will most certainly practice her dogmatism until the Day of Judgment.

you simply don't pay attention. Tell me please about Obama's political history prior to his Senate stint, which has been nothing but Presidential campaigning and voting purely party lines.

What was his focus as a state legislator? What did he author? Who were his backers? How did he rise to prominence? All of those answers are in lockstep with the agenda of the Black Liberation types.

 

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What about pushing equal time for creationism and evolution in school? True, it was never ultimately instituted, but she was all for it during her campaign.

You ignored the part where she also said that she pledged she wouldn't push her creationsim views as governor. She made these comments during campaigning as well. Here we have evidence that she can separate her religious views from policy decisions.

Again, show me any policy decisions she made over 9 years that indicate her "extreme" religious values led to policy decisions.

We have direct evidence that she DOES NOT make policy based on these extreme views yet you persist in attacking her for holding the views with the argument she MIGHT use them to shape policy.

Again, I have to question the open-mindedness you bring to the situation.