Georgia does not deserve the Sugar Bowl

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CR-vol said:
A championship game has meaning. There's no guarantees but most players I assume would choose to play for the championship.
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Oh. so if they get a broken spine in the NC game at least they will have the memory.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Peyton Manning didn't see it that way in the '98 Orange Bowl, did he? Even though Nebraska beat the hell out of us... I have always respected the fact that he still played... and he was even legitimately hurt.
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Tennessee had a shot (longshot) at getting a bid as national championship had we won and Michigan lost in the 1997-1998 season. Peyton wasn’t playing for nothing.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Tennessee had a shot (longshot) at getting a bid as national championship had we won and Michigan lost in the 1997-1998 season. Peyton wasn’t playing for nothing.
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I addressed that in an earlier post. That is true, but the Rose Bowl was played the day before the Orange Bowl and Michigan had already beaten Washington State... so, at kickoff, Tennessee was no longer in play for the National Championship. If they had beaten Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, it would have been Michigan. As it was, Michigan and Nebraska split.

In spite of no longer having the National Championship on the line, and with a torn bursa sac in his knee from a month earlier, Peyton Manning still played in his last college game.
 
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CR-vol said:
Is that snarky? No-one is talking about players sitting out the championship 4 games are they?
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No. I just think it is interesting that you think there is some level that you can justify them sitting it out in the interest of 'business'. NONE of these games are worth the risk to potential millions of dollars, but like you just said, they are not sitting out for the NC, but UGA players sit out for the lowly Sugar Bowl. It's the height of arrogance.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
No. I just think it is interesting that you think there is some level that you can justify them sitting it out in the interest of 'business'. NONE of these games are worth the risk to potential millions of dollars, but like you just said, they are not sitting out for the NC, but UGA players sit out for the lowly Sugar Bowl. It's the height of arrogance.
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Well, that's how it is. A Sugar Bowl win doesnt mean anything to guys who had legit NC aspirations at the start of the season. I don't think it's fair for you to sit in judgment of what another man decides is best for him and his family. You literally have nothing to lose either way but you're criticizing these guys for protecting themselves from possible financial ruin in a meaningless bowl game. NC is not meaningless that's what everyone plays for is championships.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I addressed that in an earlier post. That is true, but the Rose Bowl was played the day before the Orange Bowl and Michigan had already beaten Washington State... so, at kickoff, Tennessee was no longer in play for the National Championship. If they had beaten Nebraska in the Orange Bowl, it would have been Michigan. As it was, Michigan and Nebraska split.

In spite of no longer having the National Championship on the line, and with a torn bursa sac in his knee from a month earlier, Peyton Manning still played in his last college game.
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Yeah because if we won, ending Nebraska’s undefeated season, and Michigan lost, ending their undefeated season, we would likely have a good shot at being crowned national champions. Peyton committed to playing the entire season when he decided to return for senior season. He wouldn’t have gone thru bowl practices all then and then wait till last minute to sit out because of the Rose Bowl result.

Smh
 
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CR-vol said:
Well, that's how it is. A Sugar Bowl win doesnt mean anything to guys who had legit NC aspirations at the start of the season. I don't think it's fair for you to sit in judgment of what another man decides is best for him and his family. You literally have nothing to lose either way but you're criticizing these guys for protecting themselves from possible financial ruin in a meaningless bowl game. NC is not meaningless that's what everyone plays for is championships.
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lol. Im not criticizing them other than their arrogance. I really couldn't care less what any of them do.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yeah because if we won, ending Nebraska’s undefeated season, and Michigan lost, ending their undefeated season, we would likely have a good shot at being crowned national champions. Peyton committed to playing the entire season when he decided to return for senior season. He wouldn’t have gone thru bowl practices all then and then wait till last minute to sit out because of the Rose Bowl result.

Smh
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I don't think anyone would have blamed him, if he had. He sustained a legitimate injury in the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn, and he was going to be the #1 pick in the NFL Draft... a QB in that same position today? Who knows what they decide to do? Peyton was too much of a competitor to do that.
 
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LouderVol said:
if UT was going to playoffs no one here would complain about players not being loyal to Tennessee and sticking for their 4th year.
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I would.
It’s absolutely ridiculous to fight all year just to quit on your teammates with one game left.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't think anyone would have blamed him, if he had. He sustained a legitimate injury in the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn, and he was going to be the #1 pick in the NFL Draft... a QB in that same position today? Who knows what they decide to do? Peyton was too much of a competitor to do that.
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If he had gone thru bowl practice and decided to skip bowl game only after Rose Bowl result, he would have been a world class idiot. I’m sure the coaches would have had an issue with that as well.
 
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Orange931 said:
They’re getting the big head just like Bama. They think they automatically belong, when everybody else knows you have to earn your way in. Neither of those teams are better than anyone else and can be beaten anytime. Nothing lasts forever.
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Spoiled, silver spoon, trust fund frat boys who will admittedly injure someone If they start to lose.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If he had gone thru bowl practice and decided to skip bowl game only after Rose Bowl result, he would have been a world class idiot. I’m sure the coaches would have had an issue with that as well.
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That is ridiculous. He was injured. Nobody would have called him an idiot for not playing. As I recall, and this has been 22 years now, he was classified as a "game time" decision, anyway. He tore the bursa sac in one of his knees in the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn. It happened during the interception return that Jermaine Copeland had bobbled up in the air, and was then returned deep in our own territory.
 
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ptcarter said:
If you are on a team, there is no such thing as a meaningless game. Concept of team playing and loyalty to a program, school and fanbase is getting muddy these days.
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Don't be ridiculous. That "loyalty" you're talking about is a one way street. If a first round guy destroys his knee in his last collegiate game, a meaningless game with no championship on the line, none of those groups you claim the player should have loyalty to will make up that financial loss. It's gone forever over a meaningless game.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
No they aren't. They belong in the Sugar Bowl just like we belong in the Gator. It's up to the coaching staff to remind/instill whatever is required to ensure that the players show up and play hard. They can believe in the NC or bust thing, but they also need to accept that they aren't a NC team. Watching the Outback bowl, we would get slaughtered if we were playing either of those teams. We don't belong there.

All this being said, I couldn't care less about the game on the 13th. It's more about the hype and money at this point.
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Georgia has not been an elite, "championship or bust" program in my years watching college football, and I'm 42, been watching since I was 11 years old.
Funny enough, UT is much more of a championship level type of program in my eyes, despite how much they've been down lately....Georgia was always Ray Goof and Jim Donnan to me, a 2nd tier type of program...They still haven't won a championship, they still get boatraced in the biggest games and lose inexplicably to the likes of 4-8 South Carolina at home, so to me they're still a second tier football program until they prove otherwise...Desipite how many "stars" their recruits have by their names.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, one thing is very clear. You're severely afflicted with Georgianism.

Georgia, Georgia
The whole day through
Just an old sweet song
Keeps Georgia on my mind
(Georgia on my mind)

Take two of these and call us in the morning.
iu
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Agreed. There is more on Georgia than Tennessee stuff on Volnation these days. Those dawgs are living rent free on Volnation.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is ridiculous. He was injured. Nobody would have called him an idiot for not playing. As I recall, and this has been 22 years now, he was classified as a "game time" decision, anyway. He tore the bursa sac in one of his knees in the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn. It happened during the interception return that Jermaine Copeland had bobbled up in the air, and was then returned deep in our own territory.
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Once again, If he decided to go thru weeks of bowl practice only to decide the day before our game he’s sitting out because of the Rose Bowl result, he would indeed be a world class idiot. If there was even one inkling that he may not play, the team would need to prepare for a game without him.

Going thru those practices and then deciding to sit is nothing more than selfish and an insult to the team who still had something to play for. If he wasn’t going to sit out the bowl game early on, he doesn’t get a pass for waiting to decide based on another bowl game.
 
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One things for sure, people can say bowls are meaningless all they want but the reason we are giving up on Kirby and no longer think he is a championship type coach started with Texas humiliating them in the Sugar last year. I will freely admit Georgia is a step above us right now but at least we have players who are showing up and trying which makes me think one day Pruitt will be holding a championship trophy while UGA still is complaining the sugar is beneath them.
 
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CR-vol said:
Don't be ridiculous. That "loyalty" you're talking about is a one way street. If a first round guy destroys his knee in his last collegiate game, a meaningless game with no championship on the line, none of those groups you claim the player should have loyalty to will make up that financial loss. It's gone forever over a meaningless game.
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I think schools can help take out insurance policies for players. I remember some schools doing this for similar circumstances.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If there was ever a college football player who should not have played in his team's bowl game... it was Peyton Manning in the '98 Orange Bowl vs Nebraska. He was going to be the #1 overall pick in the NFL Draft and he was also hurt. He had suffered a torn bursa sac in the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn. Michigan had already finished undefeated the day before ... so Tennessee no longer had a shot at the National Championship at the time of the game. However, Peyton still played (not particularly well, but that is beside the point). He played. That is what a competitor who cares about his team does when he can. Did it have a negative impact on Peyton's NFL career? No, it didn't and it wouldn't to these guys sitting out tonight either.
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Football is a dangerous game and your career can end on any given play. If not your entire career than your draft stock could plummet costing millions of dollars. Unless they go on to be a star, which is no guarantee, the bulk of their money comes on that first contract based on draft position.

Had Manning torn something in his throwing shoulder would he still have been the #1 pick? Would it have altered his career if recovery didn’t work out?

As a fan I want to see these guys play in the bowl games. However, I do not question anyone’s decision to protect their future career on one game that amounts to nothing more than bragging rights.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If there was ever a college football player who should not have played in his team's bowl game... it was Peyton Manning in the '98 Orange Bowl vs Nebraska. He was going to be the #1 overall pick in the NFL Draft and he was also hurt. He had suffered a torn bursa sac in the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn. Michigan had already finished undefeated the day before ... so Tennessee no longer had a shot at the National Championship at the time of the game. However, Peyton still played (not particularly well, but that is beside the point). He played. That is what a competitor who cares about his team does when he can. Did it have a negative impact on Peyton's NFL career? No, it didn't and it wouldn't to these guys sitting out tonight either.
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What happens if they blow their knee out tonight? You are talking about generational financial security. It’s the smart thing to do.
 
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volfanhill said:
What happens if they blow their knee out tonight? You are talking about generational financial security. It’s the smart thing to do.
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There is a risk of that in every game. There is a risk of that in practice. It's not the way a competitor thinks and it wasn't common until very recently (Christian McCaffrey of Stanford). Can you name a projected first round NFL Draft pick who hurt his draft stock from being injured in a bowl game? I've been trying to think of one and can't do it, but if you know of one, I'm open to it.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think schools can help take out insurance policies for players. I remember some schools doing this for similar circumstances.
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Yes, a very good point. Chuck Webb of Tennessee back in the day had just such a policy...and unfortunately, had to make a claim.
 
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