Georgia Football hit with breakthrough Covid infections.

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Smart: Georgia football at highest COVID spike

"I'll be honest with you, I'm as concerned as I've ever been, because we have three or four guys out with COVID and we have a couple staff members that have been out with COVID here recently," Smart said. "For us, we're at our highest spike. And people are talking about vaccinations, well these are people that are vaccinated. We're talking about breakthroughs, and so that concerns you not only for the players on your team that are unvaccinated, that are playing and not playing, because we want everybody to be safe. But it concerns me for the players that are vaccinated that we could lose them."
 
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Is routine resting on teams standard this year? Or people just get tested when they think they might have it?
 
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I know people keep saying it’s just a small number of breakthrough infections, but the trend seems to be increasing significantly. That’s a little scary to think about.
. China has tweaked that virus to get around the vaccines. A 50 year old former co worker of mine died the other day he was fully vaccinated. He started showing symptoms on a Monday and he was dead by Thursday the nurses and medical staff are saying that the patients are getting sicker and dying quicker now from this strain.
 
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. China has tweaked that virus to get around the vaccines. A 50 year old former co worker of mine died the other day he was fully vaccinated. He started showing symptoms on a Monday and he was dead by Thursday the nurses and medical staff are saying that the patients are getting sicker and dying quicker now from this strain.
Was he at home or hospitalized? That's damn quick.
 
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Was he at home or hospitalized? That's damn quick.
Started feeling mild symptoms really on Friday but they got worse on Sunday nite so he went to the hospital first thing Monday morning yea he went downhill really quick in less than a week and only 50 other than being a little overweight I don’t believe he had any underlying conditions.
 
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Started feeling mild symptoms really on Friday but they got worse on Sunday nite so he went to the hospital first thing Monday morning yea he went downhill really quick in less than a week and only 50 other than being a little overweight I don’t believe he had any underlying conditions.
Do you know if he received monoclonal antibody treatment?
 
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My wife and I both received the Pfizer shot last February and yep, we both got covid about a month ago. We are 70 years old but luckily our symptoms were mild (me- slight headache, sore joints, felt tired a couple days and a slight cough for a week. Wife- slight cold like symptoms for a couple days). Doctor said it was a good thing we had the vaccine shot or if probably would have been much worse. For some it is much worse even if they have been vaccinated.

I don't believe in mandating masks or vaccines for others but if someone asks, I definitely recommend getting vaccinated!!!
 
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The Covid vaccines are imperfect or "leaky" vaccines. A "perfect" vaccine gives a certain percentage (usually very high) 100% immunity from a particular virus. A "leaky" vaccine only reduces the comparative risks of getting Covid from a particular exposure. So if you previously had a 1 in 100 chance of contracting Covid from an exposure... now it is 1 in 200 or something like that.

The claims made early about the vaccines were either inaccurate or untruthful or some of both. Evidence is growing that the vaccines are only about 60% effective and produce A LOT more asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases. The latter can result in significant spread without the person even knowing it.

The vaccines also may not last as long as originally suggested. Some are showing no antibodies after only 6 months. A scary thought on this is... what are the vaccines doing to the natural immune response which appears to be giving people lasting "perfect" immunity when they have and recover from Covid? Could the vaccines interfere with the development of natural immunity?


The long and short of it is that these vaccines may very well have made the problem worse rather than better.


PS- it was known BEFORE Covid that leaky vaccines facilitate the cultivation of more virulent strains of viruses. The delta variant may exist because it mutated in the bodies of vaccinated people.
 
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The Covid vaccines are imperfect or "leaky" vaccines. A "perfect" vaccine gives a certain percentage (usually very high) 100% immunity from a particular virus. A "leaky" vaccine only reduces the comparative risks of getting Covid from a particular exposure. So if you previously had a 1 in 100 chance of contracting Covid from an exposure... now it is 1 in 200 or something like that.

The claims made early about the vaccines were either inaccurate or untruthful or some of both. Evidence is growing that the vaccines are only about 60% effective and produce A LOT more asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases. The latter can result in significant spread without the person even knowing it.

The vaccines also may not last as long as originally suggested. Some are showing no antibodies after only 6 months. A scary thought on this is... what are the vaccines doing to the natural immune response which appears to be giving people lasting "perfect" immunity when they have and recover from Covid? Could the vaccines interfere with the development of natural immunity?


The long and short of it is that these vaccines may very well have made the problem worse rather than better.


PS- it was known BEFORE Covid that leaky vaccines facilitate the cultivation of more virulent strains of viruses. The delta variant may exist because it mutated in the bodies of vaccinated people.

This is a ridiculous take. I love your football content man, but this is just a poor post.

- There is no such thing as a perfect vaccine
- Covid vaccines stats do not show 60% efficacy. The original statistics are accurate. With a population of 360+million people in the US, a significant portion unwilling to be vaccinated and those that are unable to be vaccinated (children), it's extremely difficult to eliminate the virus when it is so prevalent in communities.
- Who knows about how long vaccines last - it's on a person to person basis depending on your immune system. If you have a weak immune system, the antibodies tend not to last as long as those with strong immune systems. That is why they are recommending the elderly and those with underlying conditions receive a booster. I got the vaccine in early February and tested positive for antibodies when I donated blood last week. That's 7 months, going on 8 months.
- Covid is a strand of the flu, a virus. A virus is a living organism that can adapt to survive just as other living organisms do. Influenza hasn't been eradicated because it adapts and becomes a variant of it's original self over time. This is why we have an annual flu season and it's recommended to get your flu shot every year. It doesn't keep you from getting the flu, but it protects you from many of the variants we've experienced over time. It's the same with Covid-19. You are not causing variants by getting vaccinated. For the sake of argument, let's just make an assumption here that you're right - 'vaccines cause the Covid 19 virus to adapt to delta'. So we stop vaccines because we don't want variants, let the original virus decimate the population and possibly vary on it's own <or> we vaccinate to save people (60% according to you) and then continue to combat the variants that are created from the vaccinations. Is that even a question? What the hell man?
 
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This is a ridiculous take. I love your football content man, but this is just a poor post.

- There is no such thing as a perfect vaccine
- Covid vaccines stats do not show 60% efficacy. The original statistics are accurate. With a population of 360+million people in the US, a significant portion unwilling to be vaccinated and those that are unable to be vaccinated (children), it's extremely difficult to eliminate the virus when it is so prevalent in communities.
- Who knows about how long vaccines last - it's on a person to person basis depending on your immune system. If you have a weak immune system, the antibodies tend not to last as long as those with strong immune systems. That is why they are recommending the elderly and those with underlying conditions receive a booster. I got the vaccine in early February and tested positive for antibodies when I donated blood last week. That's 7 months, going on 8 months.
- Covid is a strand of the flu, a virus. A virus is a living organism that can adapt to survive just as other living organisms do. Influenza hasn't been eradicated because it adapts and becomes a variant of it's original self over time. This is why we have an annual flu season and it's recommended to get your flu shot every year. It doesn't keep you from getting the flu, but it protects you from many of the variants we've experienced over time. It's the same with Covid-19. You are not causing variants by getting vaccinated. For the sake of argument, let's just make an assumption here that you're right - 'vaccines cause the Covid 19 virus to adapt to delta'. So we stop vaccines because we don't want variants, let the original virus decimate the population and possibly vary on it's own <or> we vaccinate to save people (60% according to you) and then continue to combat the variants that are created from the vaccinations. Is that even a question? What the hell man?

To your last point, I'll add that viruses undergo constant and rapid mutation since they generally possess very poor error-checking machinery (much worse than humans, who operate with high fidelity both in terms of original protein synthesis and the identification and excising of mistakes). Basically, virus survival is aided by their shoddy construction; I wish the same could be said of our football team over the last 15 years, but I digress.

Also, while I haven't followed it closely, news reports have suggested that variants have emerged in countries with few vaccinated people, arguing against their cultivation in vaccinated individuals. Finally, people sometimes ask why variants seem to be much more common with COVID-19, but genetic sequencing techniques have advanced dramatically of late, and so in the past there were likely many variants that we were unable to identify as such at the time.
 
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This is a ridiculous take. I love your football content man, but this is just a poor post.
Nope.

- There is no such thing as a perfect vaccine
I explained the meaning of the term but you apparently didn't get it. A "perfect" vaccine isn't "perfect" in the sense of being flawless. A "perfect" vaccine like the smallpox or polio vaccines provide 100% immunity to those who derive immunity from them. A very low % of the population will not get immunity from them.

- Covid vaccines stats do not show 60% efficacy. The original statistics are accurate. With a population of 360+million people in the US, a significant portion unwilling to be vaccinated and those that are unable to be vaccinated (children), it's extremely difficult to eliminate the virus when it is so prevalent in communities.
Well, yes. Israel compels large populations to test regardless of symptoms or no. A sweep earlier this year found that about 40% of those testing positive out of 7000 infected were fully vaccinated. However the symptoms in those patients were generally mild and THAT is why their numbers differ from most of ours. We have vaccinated people whose symptoms are so mild that they aren't getting tested or seeking medical help. However it is well established that many of these people can still spread the virus.

In the US, the % of new cases that are fully vaccinated varies pretty widely by community. LA recently had a report of 30% breakthroughs on new cases. My community has been very consistently around 12%. But we do not have broad testing that accurately captures the actual number of cases among the vaccinated.

- Who knows about how long vaccines last - it's on a person to person basis depending on your immune system.
Pfizer Vaccine Protection Wanes After 6 Months Study Finds

If you have a weak immune system, the antibodies tend not to last as long as those with strong immune systems. That is why they are recommending the elderly and those with underlying conditions receive a booster. I got the vaccine in early February and tested positive for antibodies when I donated blood last week. That's 7 months, going on 8 months.
I did say "may" but that's not the message given to get people to take the vaccines early on. They were told that they would potentially last a lifetime and definitely for years. They claimed that life could go back to normal once about 60% of the population was vaccinated. We are now around or over 60% vaccinated... and still having problems.

So the point isn't a particular amount of time that they're lasting but that boosters are needed and that the vaccines do NOT appear to last as long as they originally suggested. The strategy appeared to be to get people vaccinated so that even if the vaccines did not last the virus would be defeated in the interim. If so... that strategy failed.

- Covid is a strand of the flu, a virus
No it isn't. Covid is a Coronavirus which is distinctly different from influenza. About 25% of common colds are caused by strains of Coronavirus. Bovine coronavirus has been a long known problem in the US that kills livestock. Oddly, the "experts" are doing all they can to prevent ivermectin which successfully treats cattle... from being used to treat people. It is a known, established, and safe drug.

A virus is a living organism that can adapt to survive just as other living organisms do.
Not exactly. They mutate in response to the environment they're in.

Influenza hasn't been eradicated because it adapts and becomes a variant of it's original self over time. This is why we have an annual flu season and it's recommended to get your flu shot every year. It doesn't keep you from getting the flu, but it protects you from many of the variants we've experienced over time.
No. The CDC issues guidance each year on the 5 or 6 strains of the flu that they expect to be most common during the following season. None of the vaccines are lasting even for the same strain. Sometimes they miss a particular strain and lots of people get sick because they weren't actually vaccinated for that particular strain.

It's the same with Covid-19. You are not causing variants by getting vaccinated.
Here is an article that predates Covid and isn't tainted with anyone's political narrative. A LONG known risk of "leaky vaccines" is that they facilitate stronger versions of viruses. Most viruses get naturally weaker as they mutate. Covid variants are not getting weaker or at least not directionally.

There are dozens of articles on this subject available with a simple web search. It is established science.

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

For the sake of argument, let's just make an assumption here that you're right - 'vaccines cause the Covid 19 virus to adapt to delta'. So we stop vaccines because we don't want variants, let the original virus decimate the population and possibly vary on it's own <or> we vaccinate to save people (60% according to you) and then continue to combat the variants that are created from the vaccinations. Is that even a question? What the hell man?
Well, the virus wasn't "decimating" the population. I'm not callous toward people being sick, suffering long term damage, or dying. But the IFR for Covid is now about the same as the flu. It spreads more readily so more people will get sick during a span of time.

The problem you are ignoring is that cultivating these more virulent strains MAY in fact result in a TRUE decimation of the population... a pandemic that wipes out whole communities like smallpox or the Spanish Flu which killed about 5% of the world's population.

So the question that will be asked in 10 years isn't the one you asked. The question will be if we should have accepted the low rate of virus deaths (especially after the treatments that are now available) in order to allow natural immunity to defeat the virus... or should we have risked the more virulent strains which MAY be caused by leaky vaccines.
 
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@Volunteer08 PS- I had Covid in January. And am not vaccinated. As of two weeks ago, I have antibodies. A study from Washington U in St Louis had a sample group where everyone had reached 11 months post-infection with antibodies and NO reinfections.

I am not opposed to vaccines. I took the flu and pneumonia vaccines last year and probably will again this year. But as long as I continue to have antibodies I am not going to take these Covid vaccines unless a "traditional" vaccine is developed- one using dead or modified virus cells to provoke an immune response like the response to having had the virus.
 
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@Volunteer08 PS- I had Covid in January. And am not vaccinated. As of two weeks ago, I have antibodies. A study from Washington U in St Louis had a sample group where everyone had reached 11 months post-infection with antibodies and NO reinfections.

I am not opposed to vaccines. I took the flu and pneumonia vaccines last year and probably will again this year. But as long as I continue to have antibodies I am not going to take these Covid vaccines unless a "traditional" vaccine is developed- one using dead or modified virus cells to provoke an immune response like the response to having had the virus.

The Chinese vaccine, Sinovac, is a traditional vaccine. I wouldn't take it because I don't trust the data that has come out about it. What has come out about it doesn't look like it was more effective than the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. We had to move fast to create vaccines and different types of vaccines because we didn't know how effective any of them would be. We also had no idea how effective the antibodies treatment would be. The cocktail is certainly effective but it is not perfect either.
 
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I explained the meaning of the term but you apparently didn't get it. A "perfect" vaccine isn't "perfect" in the sense of being flawless. A "perfect" vaccine like the smallpox or polio vaccines provide 100% immunity to those who derive immunity from them. A very low % of the population will not get immunity from them.

This isn't true. Even polio isn't 100%, it's around 99% and it's only that high because it doesnt mutate as quickly as other viruses. Thus, it's not a moving target as Covid is.

Well, yes. Israel compels large populations to test regardless of symptoms or no. A sweep earlier this year found that about 40% of those testing positive out of 7000 infected were fully vaccinated. However the symptoms in those patients were generally mild and THAT is why their numbers differ from most of ours. We have vaccinated people whose symptoms are so mild that they aren't getting tested or seeking medical help. However it is well established that many of these people can still spread the virus.

What you described is a sample of those that have tested positive for Covid, but that have also been vaccinated. You cannot test the protection that the vaccine provides for those that don't test positive for Covid. The 40% figure is only the based on the Israeli population that tested positive to begin with. Get what I'm saying?

No. The CDC issues guidance each year on the 5 or 6 strains of the flu that they expect to be most common during the following season. None of the vaccines are lasting even for the same strain. Sometimes they miss a particular strain and lots of people get sick because they weren't actually vaccinated for that particular strain.

Sure, this further proves my point.

No it isn't. Covid is a Coronavirus which is distinctly different from influenza. About 25% of common colds are caused by strains of Coronavirus. Bovine coronavirus has been a long known problem in the US that kills livestock. Oddly, the "experts" are doing all they can to prevent ivermectin which successfully treats cattle... from being used to treat people. It is a known, established, and safe drug.

You're right

It is established science.

The establishment isn't that vaccines cause variations of viruses. Viruses will vary over time if not combated by vaccines and only immune systems. It's inevitable. In the case of Covid 19 the vaccine isn't meant to eradicate the virus, it's to protect those susceptible to it which is a large portion of the population. You're saying that we're accelerating that process by putting a road block in front of the virus, causing it to make changes to continue to survive. Sure, I get that and I'm not disagreeing with it, but it will continue to adapt over time whether we vaccinate or not.

Well, the virus wasn't "decimating" the population. I'm not callous toward people being sick, suffering long term damage, or dying. But the IFR for Covid is now about the same as the flu. It spreads more readily so more people will get sick during a span of time.

The problem you are ignoring is that cultivating these more virulent strains MAY in fact result in a TRUE decimation of the population... a pandemic that wipes out whole communities like smallpox or the Spanish Flu which killed about 5% of the world's population.

So the question that will be asked in 10 years isn't the one you asked. The question will be if we should have accepted the low rate of virus deaths (especially after the treatments that are now available) in order to allow natural immunity to defeat the virus... or should we have risked the more virulent strains which MAY be caused by leaky vaccines.

I'm not going to argue this point - hindsight is 20/20 so there will be no argument at that point. This "strategy" if it is one, is assuming the virus never adapts to our own immune systems.
 
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@Volunteer08 PS- I had Covid in January. And am not vaccinated. As of two weeks ago, I have antibodies. A study from Washington U in St Louis had a sample group where everyone had reached 11 months post-infection with antibodies and NO reinfections.

You're specific case doesn't mean anything, as everyone reacts differently. I'm glad you still have antibodies, that's great. I didn't get Covid, just the vaccine and I have antibodies. I'm almost 8 months past my 2nd Moderna shot. Let's say Wash U was onto something. My choice is to get Covid, increased risk for hospitalization and death <or> get vaccinated, decreased risk for hospitalization and death, but could still get Covid. That's an easy one.

I am not opposed to vaccines. I took the flu and pneumonia vaccines last year and probably will again this year. But as long as I continue to have antibodies I am not going to take these Covid vaccines unless a "traditional" vaccine is developed- one using dead or modified virus cells to provoke an immune response like the response to having had the virus.

Totally agree with you here. The whole point of the vaccine is to assist your body in producing antibodies. If you want to roll the dice and get them naturally as you did, great. If not and you want artificial stimulation, great. But that wasn't the point of the post.
 
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You're specific case doesn't mean anything, as everyone reacts differently.
Actually I don't point to just my personal case.

This is information derived from an official Israeli study and even some of their doctors do not "want" to believe it. Only one percent out of 7000 cases were reinfections. Relating that back to the information I pointed to earlier, that would likely be those who did not develop antibodies to begin with. Apparently some people and especially those with severe cases do not have a good immune response.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Here's an article pointing to a study showing that "most" people who recover have antibody memory a year after recovery.

New studies claim COVID-19 immunity may last years

Here's a study saying that those who recovered from Covid with antibodies... maintain those antibodies for at least 11 months and could have permanent protection.

Good news: Mild COVID-19 induces lasting antibody protection | Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis


I'm glad you still have antibodies, that's great. I didn't get Covid, just the vaccine and I have antibodies. I'm almost 8 months past my 2nd Moderna shot. Let's say Wash U was onto something. My choice is to get Covid, increased risk for hospitalization and death <or> get vaccinated, decreased risk for hospitalization and death, but could still get Covid. That's an easy one.
Sure. For you. But one of the main arguments for the vaccines is to "protect others", right? What if you are now able to get the virus with very mild symptoms and spread it to vulnerable people? What if the leaky vaccines are related to the development of more virulent strains... that might eventually overwhelm both vaccines and natural immunity? What if the "experts" calculated wrong again?

You can believe that vaccinations are the lesser risk... but you shouldn't ignore the other possibility.

I honestly don't buy that line of guilt bullying or virtue signaling. But the vaccines are not without both individual and large scale risks.

My son and his in-laws got the vaccine a few months ago and very shortly after all 4 of them got Covid. No one was hospitalized but all had significant symptoms and went to the doctor.

At a bare minimum, there is enough evidence right now that CDC and NIH should modify the vaccine push and advise those who have recovered to to have an antigen test prior to being vaccinated. If the studies above concerning natural immunity hold then I am both less likely than you to get Covid and much less likely to ever spread it to someone else.



Totally agree with you here. The whole point of the vaccine is to assist your body in producing antibodies. If you want to roll the dice and get them naturally as you did, great. If not and you want artificial stimulation, great. But that wasn't the point of the post.
How is 99% efficacy vs 60 or even 80% efficacy a case of me rolling the dice? If this information is true then you are more at risk than me of getting it, having a severe case, being hospitalized, or dying. There are two reasons to believe it has merit. One, these aren't quacks and some even recommend the vaccine in addition to natural immunity. They're qualified researchers reporting on the data objectively. Two, what they're suggesting is considered "heresy" to those pushing vaccines as the only answer. It takes courage to step out of line... and if you do then you better be right about something like this.
 

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