Give him 3!

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Plus the first half of his 1st year.
That actually limited his appearances since he missed half that season. To date, he's really only played 3.5 seasons at Tennessee. So after this year (his Covid year), he will have only played 19 "extra" games that resulted from his abbreviated first season.
 
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That actually limited his appearances since he missed half that season. To date, he's really only played 3.5 seasons at Tennessee. So after this year (his Covid year), he will have only played 19 "extra" games that resulted from his abbreviated first season.

And before Grunfeld’s first year in 1973-74, freshmen hadn’t been eligible for several years. Plus there wasn’t a 3 point line until the mid 1980s (or the 45/35/30 second shot clock). Michael Brooks and Mike Edwards (and Tony White at the start of his career) would have been all time great UT 3-point shooters. If there was one before 1985-86. Then the 3PL distance has been all over the place. The ACC’s used to intersect with the top of the key - something like 17’6”.

There are a lot of asterisks that are missing from the record books. Fewer games played decades ago is another thing that isn’t reconciled. Traveling and 3-seconds used to be enforced. Free throws rules varied as foul interpretations have as well.
 
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And before Grunfeld’s first year in 1973-74, freshmen hadn’t been eligible for several years. Plus there wasn’t a 3 point line until the mid 1980s (or the 45/35/30 second shot clock). Michael Brooks and Mike Edwards (and Tony White at the start of his career) would have been all time great UT 3-point shooters. If there was one before 1985-86. Then the 3PL distance has been all over the place. The ACC’s used to intersect with the top of the key - something like 17’6”.

There are a lot of asterisks that are missing from the record books. Fewer games played decades ago is another thing that isn’t reconciled. Traveling and 3-seconds used to be enforced. Free throws rules varied as foul interpretations have as well.
Enough has changed that it’s just not worth including all the *s because there would be one or more next to everything.
 
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And before Grunfeld’s first year in 1973-74, freshmen hadn’t been eligible for several years. Plus there wasn’t a 3 point line until the mid 1980s (or the 45/35/30 second shot clock). Michael Brooks and Mike Edwards (and Tony White at the start of his career) would have been all time great UT 3-point shooters. If there was one before 1985-86. Then the 3PL distance has been all over the place. The ACC’s used to intersect with the top of the key - something like 17’6”.

There are a lot of asterisks that are missing from the record books. Fewer games played decades ago is another thing that isn’t reconciled. Traveling and 3-seconds used to be enforced. Free throws rules varied as foul interpretations have as well.
Not sure what that all has to do with detailing the particulars of Santi's playing career, but yeah, that a lot of facts and info.
 
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That actually limited his appearances since he missed half that season. To date, he's really only played 3.5 seasons at Tennessee. So after this year (his Covid year), he will have only played 19 "extra" games that resulted from his abbreviated first season.
Correct!
 
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Not sure what that all has to do with detailing the particulars of Santi's playing career, but yeah, that a lot of facts and info.
Post #3 suggests that 3PL records established by Santiago need asterisks. It’s impossible. Another - the most talented players almost never stick around for 4 years anymore, so career records have considerably less value.
 
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Post #3 suggests that 3PL records established by Santiago need asterisks. It’s impossible. Another - the most talented players almost never stick around for 4 years anymore, so career records have considerably less value.
They didn't back then either... The best players have almost always left for the league early

3 years
MJ
Bird
Shaq
Kareem
Jerry West
Malone
Steph
Sir Charles
The Dream
Paul Pierce
Pistol Pete
Russell
Oscar
Wilkins
Clyde
Ray Allen
Worthy
Unseld
Walton

2 years
Magic
Iverson
Wilt
Dr J
Wade
Isiah Thomas
Webber
Rick Barry
CP3
Harden
Kawhi
Kidd
 
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Post #3 suggests that 3PL records established by Santiago need asterisks. It’s impossible. Another - the most talented players almost never stick around for 4 years anymore, so career records have considerably less value.
Yeah, Austin Price mentioned the other day that Small is on pace to break Travis Henry's all time record......and he's not even a starter.
 
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They didn't back then either... The best players have almost always left for the league early


MJ
Bird
Shaq
Kareem
Jerry West
Malone
Steph
Sir Charles
The Dream
Paul Pierce
Pistol Pete
Russell
Oscar
Wilkins
Clyde
Ray Allen
Worthy
Unseld
Walton

2 years
Magic
Iverson
Wilt
Dr J
Wade
Isiah Thomas
Webber
Rick Barry
CP3
Harden
Kawhi
Kidd

Not always.

4 of UT’s five retired jerseys belong to Grunfeld, Houston, Ellis, and Lofton: 4 years

Bernard King (#53 is the 5th retired jersey) was an anomaly to only play 3 of his 4 years of eligibility. He actually entered the NBA draft under the “hardship” rule.
 
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Yeah, Austin Price mentioned the other day that Small is on pace to break Travis Henry's all time record......and he's not even a starter.

It’s almost like records ought to be on a 10 year rolling time frame. UT had great teams in the 1940s and they’re probably completely erased from the record books (I think that Johnny Mauer might be #2 all time winning percentage). Same with players from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. But Bernard’s rebounds per game might still be #1. Grunfeld had the career scoring record for a decade until Allan Houston jumped past him (with the 3 point baskets).
 
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Not always.

4 of UT’s five retired jerseys belong to Grunfeld, Houston, Ellis, and Lofton: 4 years

Bernard King (#53 is the 5th retired jersey) was an anomaly to only play 3 of his 4 years of eligibility. He actually entered the NBA draft under the “hardship” rule.
Do you consider Dale Ellis one of top 2 pure shooters ever to wear the Orange e&White??
 
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Do you consider Dale Ellis one of top 2 pure shooters ever to wear the Orange e&White??

Not based on his UT career. He was a post player for Devoe and was usually in the paint on offense. He returned his senior year to work on his defense under CDD.

My top 3 at UT are Mike Edwards, Allan Houston, and Michael Brooks. Lofton and Tony White I’d bracket at 4/5. Santiago will be somewhere in that mix of my top 6.

Jimmy England, Bill Justus, Mike Jackson, and JaJuan Smith are probably all top 10. It gets hard to assign an exact number to each of them.
 
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Not based on his UT career. He was a post player for Devoe and was usually in the paint on offense. He returned his senior year to work on his defense under CDD.

My top 3 at UT are Mike Edwards, Allan Houston, and Michael Brooks. Lofton and Tony White I’d bracket at 4/5. Santiago will be somewhere in that mix of my top 6.
Thanks for jogging my memory..I absolutely forgot about Micheal Brooks..
 
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Thanks for jogging my memory..I absolutely forgot about Micheal Brooks..

Michael Brooks and Tyrone Beaman were a really good pair of UT guards that were in the same recruiting class. So we’re Fred Jenkins and Tony White. Lofton and JaJuan. Jimmy England and Don Johnson, although DJ was a small forward that was a great shooter.
 
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Can you only imagine the 3's that We would've had back when Michael Brooks and Dale Ellis were playing?...Wow!
 
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Can you only imagine the 3's that We would've had back when Michael Brooks and Dale Ellis were playing?...Wow!
Devoe didn’t embrace the 3 point baskets. He said that any player checking where their feet were before taking a shot would be benched.

Dale Ellis played in the paint most of the time. UT didn’t have big, talented post players so Ellis unselfishly played around the hoop. He was very effective because of his quickness. Ellis pretty much developed his perimeter game after he was already on the Maverick’s/Sonic’s rosters. Actually not until he was at Seattle after 3 years in Dallas.
 
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