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#27
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PEPPERJAX said:
There are enough perks already.
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I don't necessarily disagree because I do think that a free education plus room and board should be "payment" enough for the service the athlete renders. What I do think is that people should be allowed to go out and earn...find...solicit an extra buck if they need it. The NCAA "regulators" have put such restrictions on what the athletes can do to get a little extra money while it seems the rest of college athletics can do pretty much whatever they want to rake in the dough. While I do want college athletics to remain amateur...I do think the options of providing for basic needs should be available...like working a part time job. It's the American way after all.
 
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The only issues I have is where does it stop and these guys are given much more than just an education etc.. They are given life skills that without the schools providing would alter the players life.

Put a value on every part of it not just school n room n board. Then see if they need more.

Also some make stupid decisions like have kids live off campus etc.. If you cant afford these things then make a different decision.

Goes back to I'm special n I'm owed something n that's not true.
 
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Modern day slavery! Pay them, the universities make billions and think the people responsible for making those billions should be happy because they get a scholarship, wow so do kids with good grades in high school but they aren't generating billions of dollars in revenue like the athletes. Thanks for the billions now shut up and be happy I even let you sit in my classroom for free. Just doesn't sit right with me, pay them if you are getting paid! It's a business with a few getting rich while the majority is getting taken advantage of! Nothing new.
 
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Give each school a block on money for athletes, Let the AD department distribute to who and how much. All money must be allocated per each calendar year. The money is huge, its time for the players to get a few crumbs
 
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Biopsyman said:
Give each school a block on money for athletes, Let the AD department distribute to who and how much. All money must be allocated per each calendar year. The money is huge, its time for the players to get a few crumbs
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The money is not huge for most individual athletic departments but the television contracts with the league are enormous. What exactly does the league do with the $$$ they get from selling the rights to espn to televise it's games? Surely there could be some trust fund or extra stipend dollars there.
 
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I say set up a funding system like a credit card that all the NCAA players have and have it reload every month. Even money for everybody from first string to forth string same money. It's only way I can think of it working to be fair.
 
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Milehigh_Vol said:
I say set up a funding system like a credit card that all the NCAA players have and have it reload every month. Even money for everybody from first string to forth string same money. It's only way I can think of it working to be fair.
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Is this communism or socialism? I almost never can tell the two apart. :)
 
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fade route said:
Ok VN, although I am opposed to paying college athletes in concept because they are already being paid in the form of a free education, I also realize that this idea is gaining acceptance and will be an eventual reality in college sports.

With that said, I would like to hear what solutions you have for how to get this done in a fiscally responsible way that addresses problem without turning the system into a farm system for the NBA/NFL. My solution is below:

Alot of athletes, like Nappier of UConn, complain that their jerseys are getting sold but they don't see any of the money, and they end up not being ables to eat, etc., the same with TV revenues. So, my solution would be this: Any retail company selling jerseys or paraphernalia with a reference to a specific player must turn a certain % over to the school (20-30%?). The school in turn must take that money and use it this way - 50% will go towards meal plan improvements and upgrades for all athletes of that school, and 50% will go in a trust fund for that specific athlete that he can recoup upon graduation or leaving the program. That way the athlete CAN profit from the sale of their own jersey, its just delayed until they graduate/leave. TV revenues can be treated the same way. If ESPN broadcasts a football game between UT and UF (example), then a certain % of the revenue from that broadcast must go to UT and UF, and that money will be split into meal plan upgrades for athletes, and trust funds for each player of the team that was broadcast that they can recoup upon graduation or quitting the team or leaving the program. If, however, they decide to cash in their trust fund at any time while still eligible, then they cannot play D1 football/basketball again and thus give up their eligibility.

Ok, tell me where I'm crazy.
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This is what I see happening.

The Unions form to "protect the athlete" Then each college will have to pay the athletes.

Everything will be fine for about 5 years. Then as usual the Union will become militaristic and demand more & more. Then for all or most of a season, college level sports will be shut down.

Also, in most colleges, there are three programs that make a program. Football, Men's basketball & women's basketball.

However; the track & field, tennis, rowing, swim, diving, soccer, volleyball & baseball players will want money to play.

Football, men's & women's basketball can't afford to pay all of these athletes, so those athletes, at the Unions urging will sue the university.

So, in response, the University will cancel soccer, rowing, volleyball, etc. because they can't afford to pay all of those athletes.

As it stands now, my nephew, son, daughter etc. can attend college on a scholarship thru soccer, track & field, etc. but by the time the union is done with it, there will not be any scholarships for those sports...
 
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pay them minimum wage for the time they put in to training/practice for up to and no more than 20 hours a week as long as they attend classes regularly, etc... that would give them a little spending money that they otherwise wouldn't be able to make at a PT job due to training/practice.
 
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fade route said:
Ok VN, although I am opposed to paying college athletes in concept because they are already being paid in the form of a free education, I also realize that this idea is gaining acceptance and will be an eventual reality in college sports.

With that said, I would like to hear what solutions you have for how to get this done in a fiscally responsible way that addresses problem without turning the system into a farm system for the NBA/NFL. My solution is below:

Alot of athletes, like Nappier of UConn, complain that their jerseys are getting sold but they don't see any of the money, and they end up not being ables to eat, etc., the same with TV revenues. So, my solution would be this: Any retail company selling jerseys or paraphernalia with a reference to a specific player must turn a certain % over to the school (20-30%?). The school in turn must take that money and use it this way - 50% will go towards meal plan improvements and upgrades for all athletes of that school, and 50% will go in a trust fund for that specific athlete that he can recoup upon graduation or leaving the program. That way the athlete CAN profit from the sale of their own jersey, its just delayed until they graduate/leave. TV revenues can be treated the same way. If ESPN broadcasts a football game between UT and UF (example), then a certain % of the revenue from that broadcast must go to UT and UF, and that money will be split into meal plan upgrades for athletes, and trust funds for each player of the team that was broadcast that they can recoup upon graduation or quitting the team or leaving the program. If, however, they decide to cash in their trust fund at any time while still eligible, then they cannot play D1 football/basketball again and thus give up their eligibility.

Ok, tell me where I'm crazy.
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I have spent some time thinking about this as well and I have come up with some disparate ideas that might help solve the problem.

The first is to return the student athlete back to a student athlete.

I would be for:

Requiring all athletic scholarships be guaranteed for four years, pursuant to NCAA wide academic responsibilities being met. Each school only has a maximum of 25 of these to distribute per year (for football), once a student is enrolled that scholarship is considered used and unavailable for four years from that date. Should a player transfer, quit, or fail out, that scholarship sits unused until its term expires. A student can transfer to any school without the approval of the school he is attending so long as the transfer school has unused, un-issued scholarships remaining from the signing class from the year he first enrolled in school (in other words, every player only has four years with a scholarship, regardless of injury or anything else). No more back counting, grey shirting, sitting out a year...just make it simple. This idea would require that coaches pick recruits they are confident can not only play at a high level, but also remain involved in school because the penalty for losing the student is pretty high. Conversely, the student athlete has choices and isn't required to stay involved at a school that he no longer likes, or where he won't see playing time, or whatever.

Any athlete who is under scholarship is provided full coverage health insurance. Walks on who earn a letter would be provided the same benefit. Any "career ending" injuries require a payout of some amount to be determined, and a guarantee of health care payments for X years from the date of injury.

They should be given a monthly stipend, though not necessarily cash, for "necessities" such as food, clothing, entertainment or whatever. Say the kid wants pizza at midnight, he could have a debit card that he can use, and the expenses are all reportable to the NCAA and the school oversight, to make sure it is only spent on certain approved categories/vendors. This should be coterminal with making sure that a scholarship pays for all tuition, fees, books, room and board. This keeps the school from having to bear the expense of having a dining facility open 24 hours a day, available to everyone.

The school should be required to pay for travel to and from the players home, for all major holidays in which classes are not being held, at which times the student isn't required to stay for allowable in-season practices.

Players should be able to sell their autographs or their own personal stuff to whomever they choose. They should not get any sort of merchandise sales from the school because that jersey number, color, and design are indistinguishable from the brand of the school. They should not be able to take endorsements from companies that in any way infringe on the endorsement deals that the school has made (ie Now that UT is wearing Nike, C.Patterson takes a Puma deal and gets to wear puma cleats while everyone else has to wear Nike). In essence they can make no deal that requires them to wear anything on the field, or to travel to and from games. What they wear on their own time, is their own. If puma wants to give whoever a contract to wear their shoes to and from classes, so be it.

I think this covers many of the issues that have been addressed, while still keeping the athletes STUDENTS.

Perhaps the NFL should allow a player of any age to go try out for a pro team. That way, no argument can be made that the NFL and the NCAA are colluding to require players to go play college ball. Let us not forget that schools are also providing valuable training and exposure for these players who wish to make it on to NFL teams.

Just my 35 cents or so.
 
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#37
What's wrong with them taking out student loans to cover their other expenses? I had to do it. Why should athletes be any different? Also why not let them get part time jobs? They can't flip burgers 15-20 hrs a week to put some money in their pockets?
 
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vollygirl said:
Jerseys reference the #, not the player. How do you know which athlete the jersey was purchased in honor of and who gets the take?

I don't think you can narrow it down to a specific player.
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Come on. It's not that hard to figure out.
 
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here's the biggest problem to a potential solution.

san jose state can't do financially what tennessee can do.

so, if you try to set up a system where everybody is doing the same thing, then everyone's getting peanuts.

if you set up a system where everyone is doing differently, then whoever has the deepest pockets will get recruits.

the reason players can't have jobs is because a booster would pay them $500 an hour to do nothing.

if the players got money from jersey sales, boosters would magically find a way to make sure the #27 jersey is a top seller.

whatever you draw up, it will be abused or it can't be fair because big schools have a different wallet than smaller schools.
 
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If Napier was starving, how many months of groceries could be had with what he spent on tats? How much more will fans have to pay for tickets and jerseys? How much will student fees increase? What percentage would womens sports get? They will be howling when they dont get a cut. Set up a 24 hour training table open to all student athletes. Give them a dorm room and a stipend for the basics. If they buy tats, Air Jordans, video games, flat screen tvs, that is on them.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
If Napier was starving, how many months of groceries could be had with what he spent on tats? How much more will fans have to pay for tickets and jerseys? How much will student fees increase? What percentage would womens sports get? They will be howling when they dont get a cut. Set up a 24 hour training table open to all student athletes. Give them a dorm room and a stipend for the basics. If they buy tats, Air Jordans, video games, flat screen tvs, that is on them.
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this is something i've been saying for a while now as well.

don't give me this i can't afford a pizza crap when you have tats from neck to n**s.
 
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99gator said:
here's the biggest problem to a potential solution.

san jose state can't do financially what tennessee can do.

so, if you try to set up a system where everybody is doing the same thing, then everyone's getting peanuts.

if you set up a system where everyone is doing differently, then whoever has the deepest pockets will get recruits.

the reason players can't have jobs is because a booster would pay them $500 an hour to do nothing.

if the players got money from jersey sales, boosters would magically find a way to make sure the #27 jersey is a top seller.

whatever you draw up, it will be abused or it can't be fair because big schools have a different wallet than smaller schools.
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In most cases, the deepest pockets are already getting the best recruits. Look at the top 10 classes from the last 5 years and tell me who is doing it with a small recruiting budget.
 
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Let's see. Free Room. Free Meals. Free Classrooms. Free Books. More Free Meals.

If I were to be persuaded to grant athletes any kind of "spending" money, it would come in the form of a student athlete loan. The NCAA would have to set nationwide limits for all athletes and if you graduate from that college, perhaps you have a gradual scale that says all graduates only have to pay back 75%. If you drop out or get booted off the team, you owe 100%.

Last thing we need to do is GIVE the money away, as it will have zero value to the kids.
 
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